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obertheromulan
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I just happened to witness a Defiant needs battle cloak conversation again.
And I agree that it wouldn't be fair and balanced.
However it made me think about how silly the current normal cloak mechanic still is.
Captain! We have been hit by a stray disruptor beam from a shuttle, so I will refuse to recloak the ship and most certainly condone this ship to certain death when those Warships catch up with us!
Why not make it so the normal cloak power can be activated at any time, but being shot at places a short debuff on yourself that keeps you visible with shields down?
That way using regular cloak in combat would still be impossible.
And the cloak mechanic would be way less silly, and sometimes annoying.
Perhaps they might actually fix the current uncloak bug while they're at it.
It's also canon. :P
And I agree that it wouldn't be fair and balanced.
However it made me think about how silly the current normal cloak mechanic still is.
Captain! We have been hit by a stray disruptor beam from a shuttle, so I will refuse to recloak the ship and most certainly condone this ship to certain death when those Warships catch up with us!
Why not make it so the normal cloak power can be activated at any time, but being shot at places a short debuff on yourself that keeps you visible with shields down?
That way using regular cloak in combat would still be impossible.
And the cloak mechanic would be way less silly, and sometimes annoying.
Perhaps they might actually fix the current uncloak bug while they're at it.
It's also canon. :P
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Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
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What would Battle Cloak on the only two Federation ships that use it actually hurt at this point?
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
The KDF don't have a 5 Tac console escort like the defient is. Imo, should the KDF get an Escort w/5 Tacs then it can be discussed not before.
That said somethings shouldn't be cross factional. For example, I've messed around w/an old Brel I used to fly using PSW1, the PSWTorp console and 3 purp photonic doffs, PSWTorp charge -> PSW1 -> 12 seconds left on the PSWTorp consoles rechage. I added in VM3 w/2 doffs and AMS. It really is silly the amount of shockwaves I can spam while cloaked (not to mention the other stuff). I know the cat's out of the bag in a lot of ways, but I'd rather not use that as a reason to allow for a free for all.
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Your argument is fallacious. The B'rel has an enhanced battle cloak and can do those things while cloaked. This discussion is for giving the Defiant/GalX a normal battle cloak, where you have to manually decloak to do those things.
My point was b/c of the EBC it B'rel can apply some things better b/c if the initiative and manuverability of doing them while cloaked than a Fed Sci ship could.
A BC is a core to the hit and run playstyle of the KDF and you want it on an Escort which is better than any Raider the KDF has in terms of Damage potential. The KDF Escorts don't even have a battle cloak.
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It's a starting point. The raptor doesnt' have a BC nor does it have the defiants turn rate. It's bad enough nearly every BOff slot is available to nearly every Fed ship type, every Fed ship type has a varient to use pets, and every Fed ship type has a varient to use cannons and in some cases they can to all of the above. Now people want them to have BC ...
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It would hurt nothing IF those BoPs are given back some of thier handicap for having it, its given to the raptors as well as a 5th Tac console since we would rapidly have battle cloaking, 5 Tac console carrying Fleet defiants running around in the game.
The Gal dreadnought does not need BC if the OPs cloaking idea was ingame and just giving a BC to the defiant without shoring up BoPs and Raptors as well would just be a further imbalance added to an already poorly balanced game.
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An Adapted Battle Cloak console for the only two Federation ships that might be capable of using it would also include negative modifiers to shields and hull (percentage based so that the cruiser would have a bigger reduction). It would be fixed to a console slot, rather than universal. Provided it was executed carefully, they could even make an Update Battle Cloak console for other KDF ships capable of Normal Battle Cloak.
Then again, slightly off topic, all of these lock box/p2w consoles should have come with negative modifiers, fixed console slots, and even system based cool down interactions.
I'm just saying worse things can, will and have happened. I was totally against this for the longest time but I don't really see the problem anymore. Point of fact, Battle Cloak is fun.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
In terms of what it has been given, no matter how you try and spin the argument, there is absolutely no justification for it to have the BC on top of everything it has got.
The KDF Vet is a very good ship, no doubt. But, it doesn't have an escort's turn rate. It doesn't have the 5th Tac console (in general it's lacking in console space). It does have a flexable boff layout, I think of it as a destroyer/raider hybrid and what the Fleet Raiders should have been in terms of overall thought process. They could have given up a univeral Boff station or 2 for the rear weapon mount and specialized console layout options, eg there should be a fleet raider w/a 4th sci console. Anyway, it's not an escort and giving the best dps potential escort a BC is over the top.
Besides once every 10 minutes every ship will have an EBC w/the T5 rep reward for 5 seconds anyway.
Or use the annoying placate proc w/KHG shields. Have a teammate use 3 part KHG for the MEF defense/MES like boosts.
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How so?
Its a 9-console ship with 4-TAC consoles. If you are going to say, but yeah its got the BC, then I just need to point out all the Fed ships like the Armitage, Vesta's, and Steamrunners and Fleet Defiant & Fl. MVAM for fair comparison.
I'm not saying it's a simple change but the argument against it gets more and more flimsy everyday.
As for the "If the dev's" argument, well, things wouldn't be in the condition they are currently in "if the dev's"...
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
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It's a heavy destoyer it's turnrate is inbetween battle cruisers and escorts. It doesn't have escort inertia either. The KDF Vet ship takes a heavy hit to shield mods especially in tactical mode compared to the Fed Vet ship let alone fleet ship shield mods, the main cost of the BC. It only has 2 uni slots an Ens and a Lt Commander. It only has +5 to a weapon's power system depending on its mode, though it does get +30 to a shield skill or +30 to targeting skill.
The defiant has one of the highest turnrates in the game for escorts. It has an additional Tac console. With it's "normal" cloak the 5 tac console slot has more damage potential than the Bug ship ...
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when a real escort wants to kill a vet ship, its proboly going to be able to do it. its an RA level ship, and its turn rate does not allow it to duel very well. plus its only got 8 console slots to work with, 4 of which are tactical, and its not blessed with the then best turn like the defient R was in its similar position back in the day. the shield mods are paper thin vs modern escorts, wile also being handily out maneuvered. it can easily be spiked to death with just cannons.
unlike the kdf cruisers that i also fly, that are even slower, they can tank all day. they just need 1 opportunity every 15 seconds or so to be effective. vet ships, wile getting out maneuvered the whole time, can not do any of that tanking. the kdf vet ship proboly has the worst escort tanking ability of any modern escort. it does have access to good mitigation and heals, but much damage can be caused in a single pass, it generally cant save itself. the fed vet ship is noticeably tankier, the slightly better shield mod makes a huge difference in spike soak.
anyway, battle cloak on the kdf vet ship has saved me from certain death 100 times, if my ktinga had battle cloak it would probably cease to be killed all together. even on the extreamly fragile kdf vet ship, i think its a bit op, more competent and maneuverable 10/10 and 11/10 escorts having bc? scarey thought to me.
i kinda like the jem heavy escort, it looks to have near kdf cruiser tanking potnetial, with the vet ship's best station setup.
oh, and the fleet qin not having 5 tac consoles is a sick joke. or not having universal stations, like the ENS and one of the LT or something is as well. such a large tactical ship with the lower 15 turn should have a more diverse setup. actually, it should be the counterpart to the fleet MVAM, with a LTC eng and 5 tac consoles. so much redundant and wasted potential on the fleet ships, so many could have been cool as hell.
Yet the thread ends up as "Battlecloak would be OP!" anyway.
This isn't a Fed vs. KDF thing either. If normal cloak were changed it would be for both factions naturally.
I just don't like how it's bound to the stupid Red Alert/pop up mechanic and not about the actual viability of cloaking in battle.
Vornek@oberlerchner123 - Join Date: July 2008
Or really how about making normal cloak NOT break on red alert. Normal cloak breaking on red alert is a tad silly. to be nice about it.
took the words out of my targ's mouth ty