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PVP tournaments - why they cant work like you want
sgtciscoinsa
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The exact same thing is going to happen. Everyone has their own opinion of what should be allowed and what shouldnt.
But here is a obvious issue. If you can not police it then you cant have it as a rule.
In other words it very hard to tell what the opponent has when it comes to consoles and doffs.
So it cant happen guys.
My honest opinion. Play it with everything allowed. Yes it might become a tric war. But you know no one is cheating.
STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves and expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.
Until then you can fight over what doffs you can have or what consoles. In the end you are allowing conflict to infect you on a system you can not control. In the end you lost friends and your own temper.
Sorry just being honest.
PVP isnt broken. It works as intended my Cryptic. So unless Cryptic fixes it it wont improve. Dont try to make the game what it isnt.
Disclaimer - I also would like alot of the great ideas part of our pvp game. I do think Trics are too powerful and some powers just ruin pvp. But its the way it is. We cant police it so why try.
But here is a obvious issue. If you can not police it then you cant have it as a rule.
In other words it very hard to tell what the opponent has when it comes to consoles and doffs.
So it cant happen guys.
My honest opinion. Play it with everything allowed. Yes it might become a tric war. But you know no one is cheating.
STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves and expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.
Until then you can fight over what doffs you can have or what consoles. In the end you are allowing conflict to infect you on a system you can not control. In the end you lost friends and your own temper.
Sorry just being honest.
PVP isnt broken. It works as intended my Cryptic. So unless Cryptic fixes it it wont improve. Dont try to make the game what it isnt.
Disclaimer - I also would like alot of the great ideas part of our pvp game. I do think Trics are too powerful and some powers just ruin pvp. But its the way it is. We cant police it so why try.
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This is the stance that has killed most tournaments.
Also, let's not forget it's should really be cryptic's job to balance the game. The fact that we have to come up with some sort of rule sets just shows you how TRIBBLE this game really is.
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
So much of what you said made such perfect beautiful sense and then you said this.
Because really, if nothing is prohibited there can be no cheating and that is the only obvious workable solution.
But sometimes things do have unintended consequences in games. Things do not always work as intended. It's important to recognize that even as we realize the limits on our ability as players to change that even if that is only for our own well being.
Cheers and happy flying!
Next time all of the details should be hammered out in a TS, and only the finalized details should be posted in the forum.
Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic as you. I once was, but that time is long gone.
In fact, I think the game is almost completely unplayable from a fun perspective when it comes to unrestricted (premade) pvp right now.
Some of this games all time best players refuse to open the game anymore unless there's a possibility for restricted pvp games.
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
My point is everyone is going to have a different take on what balance is. I agree that there are a lot of problems that make the game imbalanced. Its needs a constant approach by the devs to allow this to happen. Right now we have what we have. Play with it.
You CAN NOT expect people to agree what balance is. We are not game designers. We only know the windows of what we know about the game. Its Cryptic's responsibility to bring balance. Not a bunch of guys on TS.
As an IT professional I can tell you also that you can not make a policy or rule unless you can enforce it. It make no sense not to allow a DOFF when you can not prov he is using it. Even if you could with video you would end up creating conflict that may or may not be valid. It would be time consuming and bring a negative light.
POINT - If you want a tournament with Cryptic. Play the game according to what is allowed within the programming. Which means everything is allowed unless Cryptic disallows it with programming.
Cryptic, I wouldn't advise hosting a tournament until you can find balance. Not perfect balance but some sort of curve to it. Some sense of logic.
With that being said. If you want a tournament right now just do it. Do it with the mind set that everything is allowed. Its been said before even if you have that ability good teams can still beat you. Yes good teams will be beaten by lesser skilled people due to some power, but I sense 9 times out of 10 a good team will prevail. If not then its ok. The game is what it is.
When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.
Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.
In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
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This is what exactly happens in other games like Wow. It would be easy to implement with the structure of the game BUT it would take a mission statement from STO to do it. I dont tihnk STO is a pvp game. I think its has PVP in it but just doesnt have the staffing (I suspect) to make it a full time job.
It would be fantastic if we can do something like this.
What might not be obvious is that the fleets behind this classic-pvp proposal are actually quite close and not very likely to start screaming at each other. :P
And also it might be easier to agree on rules when we have some sort of model to go by (season 1.2 - season 2 pvp).
(Oh and I can't find any personal attacks in this thread?)
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
wow this request is as old as the game. No progress has been made in almost 3 years, and i have no hope that progress will happen, with the same people in charge that have prevented it for 3 years straight.
Happy Premature Snix Day everyone
S1.2 Vm is almost as endemic as it was back then (-the shield disable)
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
While this is a great idea, it's certainly not new. I believe "Tournament PvP Mode" was on snix's list for "Upcoming PvP additions" about >2 years ago(?)
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
when it comes to hosting a special event with rules like for example
old skool classics
no lockbox ships
no p2w consoles
etc etc
for those who sign up is expected that they obey these rules...
if not they will prolly be excluded/disqualified
how hard can that be to grasp?
we need to show cryptic that the player base can do this on their own first...
they got a slap on the finger coz they took a chance with this cancelled tourney
its up to us to show branflakes and the devs that there in fact are still enough people willing to set this up
and yeah offcourse u can whine and burn others for their posted opinions and see demons and devils in everything
why dont we just stop draggin the TRIBBLE out this kind of suggestions and just for once make the best out of it ????
Goshia/Miss D'Meanor/Mass
apologies in advance for my bad spelling but im dutch so i dont care muhahaha
Never suggested that it was, or that I was the first.
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And I never suggested that you suggested that.
What I mean is, some of us have been hoping for this kind of addition for years, and what have we seen so far in PvP additions? Nothing.
It's hard for us to be optimistic about this sort of thing. Last time Cryptic got our hopes up they let us down.
TSI -- Star Trek Online PvP Vidoes (Youtube)
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match.
Even though this idea is not new, it would be awesome - There is one downside right now though. We don't have the numbers in pvp to allow this to happen. However if we got the numbers and got this feature I'd be a STO slave for life
This shouldn't be about "gimping" certain players or disabling "cheese".
The reason to have that kind of functionality is really about introducing variable factors that can make a PvP scenario more (or less) challenging. It might also be useful for PvP playtesting.
It could even be used to enable specific map features or game mechanics that don't appear in the basic scenario.
Gravitational anomalies that temporarily slow down a ship or slingshot it in another direction. Subspace anomalies that instantly teleport a ship to another location. Various interference effects that disable things like the minimap, or full impulse, or even shields for the whole map or just in certain locations. Metreon gas fields that go boom. Lots and lots of potential here.
PvP options shouldn't be about turning stuff off. It should be a killer feature that creates new challenges and variations and makes people more interested in playing PvP.
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