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New KDF Aniversary Ship May not be the K'vort

lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Klingon Discussion
The Anvirsary Ship sounds like its of an internal Cryptic Design instead of being the K'vort as expected.

Could it be a Leathean or Ferasan Ship? Another Orion, Nuas, or Gorn Ship? Or a Klingon Science Ship.

Or a Ship to go with a New Race for Klingons?
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  • admiraljt#1430 admiraljt Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Any free ship for the KDF has to be of a Klingon design. Cryptic won't release a race specific ship design like the Orion, and Gorn ships without putting it in to the C store.

    I do like the Idea of a Lethean ship. This would give me a reason to roll a Lethean alt. and to spend money on this game again.
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm kind of hoping for something Ferasan. We never did get the red-headed stepchild version of the Atrox when the two cat species arrived.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I actually have a feeling it will be Ferasan Ship as well, an inducement to spend money to buy Ferasan Characters and Boffs.

    This version of the ship will be free, but a C-Store Version will appear as it did for the Borq.

    It'll have different pets then stalkers, Fang fighters/frigates or what ever.

    It will be differant from the Atrox, probably more tactical, maybe kind of like the love child of the Atrox and Kar'fi.

    C-Store version will have different layout and a console that can buff pets, which will boost sales to other players who love carriers as well.

    Just a guess.
  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    and while the C-store variant will have a console that buffs pets there will be lock boxes that give the feds the plasmonic Leech
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  • tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The season 8 KDF ship will most likely be some counter to the Vesta pack, similar to the Oddysey/Bortasqa juxtapositioned ship packs.

    Anniversary ships will most likely be a single ship that is counter to something the federation side has received.

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    A Klingon version of the Ambassador would be a mistake, Fed Pure Cruiser type ships aren't popular amoung KDF players, they prefer Battle Cruisers and Flight Deck Cruisers.

    Although to be fair the Federation Players have been asking for a Flight Deck Cruiser of thier own, the Ambassdor Class could have been refitted to fit this role. Maybe the Klingons will be getting a Flight Deck Cruiser as well or perhaps a Escort Carrier for the Klingons would balance things better.

    I've read multiple requists for a Ferasan Escort Carrier.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    lordgyor wrote: »
    The Anvirsary Ship sounds like its of an internal Cryptic Design instead of being the K'vort as expected.

    Could it be a Leathean or Ferasan Ship? Another Orion, Nuas, or Gorn Ship? Or a Klingon Science Ship.

    Or a Ship to go with a New Race for Klingons?

    There's no doubt that it will be a New Design...

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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Considering the fact that the K'Vort was basically an oversized B'Rel, introducing it into the game would be kind of confusing. I wouldn't be surprised if Cryptic just made something of a K'Vort refit, that has the Yesterday's Enterprise's KDF ship silhouette, but the overall design is brand new for the game (like what they're supposedly doing with Andorian ship).

    In any case, it's gonna be a battlecruiser - less HP than Ambassador, but with cloak and dual cannons.
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Ah, well...another to tack on the list of "Ships I won't spend money on."

    seriously, we have QUITE a sufficient number of Cruisers relative to other classes. almost it makes me wonder if the Devs just can't remember how to code anything BUT "yet another cruiser"-at least, for ships that can cloak, or maybe just wonder if this is another "beads, whiskey, and polio Blankets" clone-the-fed-content half-assing.

    I don't see how you'd spend money on a free ship.

    Other than that, KDF battlecruisers are fairly useful and more importantly, this is only speculation...
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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I don't see how you'd spend money on a free ship.
    *chuckles* free... yeah, sure. You'll get a generic free variant for the anniversary, and two weeks later a superior upgraded version is gonna hit the C-Store or Fleet Shipyard.

    It's f2p Cryptic, meaning that if it's free, then there's some kind of a catch (like, doing 25 races or paying lobi crystals for the breen ship, or getting an upgraded c-store variant like it was with the odyssey). So don't get your hopes up, because both the Ambassador and the KDF ship ARE going to be monetized one way or another.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    This one will be interesting to see what they come up with. If I don't like the ship that well, good thing I got the Breen ship. That is one ship I love using. I spent most of my time last weekend on that ship.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I kinda hope the anniversary ship is a multiracial design of all the members of the KDF......
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    suaveks wrote: »
    *chuckles* free... yeah, sure. You'll get a generic free variant for the anniversary, and two weeks later a superior upgraded version is gonna hit the C-Store or Fleet Shipyard.

    It's f2p Cryptic, meaning that if it's free, then there's some kind of a catch (like, doing 25 races or paying lobi crystals for the breen ship, or getting an upgraded c-store variant like it was with the odyssey). So don't get your hopes up, because both the Ambassador and the KDF ship ARE going to be monetized one way or another.

    I agree that the Breen ship wasn't as "free" as you'd believe from the word itself. However the free anniversary Odyssey and Bortas took what? 5 mins at max? That was free indeed.

    And it is great. I still use the free Oddy. I find it is the best beam cruiser there is (of course, the C-Store variants are even better, but I just never needed them; I'll get the bundle on the next sale, if I have spare Zen).

    Honestly I don't care if they'll put a better version in the C-Store (at least it should be account wide and useful for possible future toons) as long as I get a good enough ship for playing a mission.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I agree that the Breen ship wasn't as "free" as you'd believe from the word itself. However the free anniversary Odyssey and Bortas took what? 5 mins at max? That was free indeed.

    And that 5 minutes included if you had to stop for a restroom break inbetween. Seriously, that was the easiest cakewalk of a mission I have ever seen.

    And what do you expect. You (well not the person I am quoting, but the person they are replying to) act like Cryptic making money is some sinister thing. It is a business, It has to make money or it closes its doors and no more STO.

    From what I remember of the free Oddyssey, it was a good ship, but no bells and whistles. OK stats for what it was, ok BOFF lay out, and no special consoles. And everyone at the time pretty much knew there was going to be a C-store variant, just like now with the Ambassador.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    suaveks wrote: »
    Considering the fact that the K'Vort was basically an oversized B'Rel, introducing it into the game would be kind of confusing. I wouldn't be surprised if Cryptic just made something of a K'Vort refit, that has the Yesterday's Enterprise's KDF ship silhouette, but the overall design is brand new for the game (like what they're supposedly doing with Andorian ship).

    In any case, it's gonna be a battlecruiser - less HP than Ambassador, but with cloak and dual cannons.

    I'll be honest, I never liked the idea of the K'vort being a supersized B'rel. And in-game, the size of the B'rel is really the size what the K'vort would be.


    I think to make a K'vort less like a super-sized B'rel is stretch it out, lengthwise. Increase the wingspan, and flatten out the "humps" of the engineering section and have the wings perma-locked in the up position.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    I never meant to imply making money was "sinister", rather, I was stating that THIS ship, of a certain class, once the monetized version comes out, will never see a dime from me.

    essentially, it goes back to knowing your market-we have some of the best cruisers in the game-as in not a single 'dog' among them (except the last pay-to-own, the Bortasque, which still manages to have a fanbase in spite of glaring defects).

    i.e. we do NOT have a shortage of good, effective, cruisers, proportionally, in fact, we have a surplus of good cruisers to choose from, and frankly if the choice is a fifty-dollar cruiser triple pack that's a clone of the Ambassador, but with cannons and a standard cloak, I'm sorry, but I'll spend my money elsewhere-and there are those feel the same, though maybe not so vocal as myself.

    Which is not denigrating the motive of making money-as you said, cryptic IS a business. If anything, my view is that it's a business that is making a poor business decision by neglecting the 'second faction' of their game-because KDF DO spend money-anyone that doesn't believe THAT should count the lockbox ships over Qo'Nos sometime, or look at how much stir and fury comes up over the idea of Fed Battlecloaks or plasmonic leech.

    What we do not do, is WASTE money-as in buying things we don't actually want, won't actually use, or aren't all that interested in.

    Which is where WE are a market that differs, somewhat, from the Fed markets they normally pursue.

    "Quality" and "Distinctiveness", can ya dig it?

    I wouldn't mind buying something like a Vor'cha from the C-Store, if it looks good. Simply because I like the idea of being able to discharge a ship to make room without loosing it completely (unlike the mirror vor'chas I use now, or the Fleet Vor'chas I may get in the future). If you think about it, there's no such thing in the C-Store as of now.

    So again, I'm fine with a free ship (that may be good on its own) as well as with a subsequent C-Store variation on it.

    Off topic: Do all of the C-Store odysseys come with that terribly ugly Aquarius stuffed "behind" (not the console, just the skin of the rear part of secondary hull) ?

    EDIT: Oh, btw, that's actually what I'm battling for, finally having C-Store versions of Klingon designed Tier 5 ships, as in raptors, battlecruisers and raiders. Only raiders have the somewhat special B'rel. The Bortas'Qu isn't a true battlecruiser because of its turn rate.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I kinda hope the anniversary ship is a multiracial design of all the members of the KDF......


    I have no idea what this would look like. A spacefaring bird/spider/fish/potato/carrier?
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I want a true carrier.

    Very high Hull.
    Very high Shields.
    Very, VERY low speed.
    Takes 2 minutes to turn 180.
    Extremely high mass (aka, slides for a long time after full impulse is off).
    Crew size: Population of Texas

    4 hangar bays.

    2 weapons fore
    2 weapons aft.

    5 engineering
    5 science
    2 tactical
    5 device

    +10 power to Aux.
    +5 power to shields.

    Boff:

    Cmdr Universal
    Lt Cmdr. Science
    Lt. Cmdr. Engineering
    Lt. Cmdr. Universal
    Lt. Tactical

    No console. Carrier has built-in benefits:

    Subsystem targeting
    Sensor Analysis
    Built in tractor beam 1
    Built in Repulsor beam 1.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    jnohd wrote: »
    I have no idea what this would look like. A spacefaring bird/spider/fish/potato/carrier?

    With lots of cannons and sharp pointy bits!!!!
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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I hope it will be a Bird of Prey, or a Ferasan Cat of Prey. Just something with a battlecloak :)
  • insanerandomnesinsanerandomnes Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I want a true carrier.

    Very high Hull.
    Very high Shields.
    Very, VERY low speed.
    Takes 2 minutes to turn 180.
    Extremely high mass (aka, slides for a long time after full impulse is off).
    Crew size: Population of Texas

    4 hangar bays.

    2 weapons fore
    2 weapons aft.

    5 engineering
    5 science
    2 tactical
    5 device

    +10 power to Aux.
    +5 power to shields.

    Boff:

    Cmdr Universal
    Lt Cmdr. Science
    Lt. Cmdr. Engineering
    Lt. Cmdr. Universal
    Lt. Tactical

    No console. Carrier has built-in benefits:

    Subsystem targeting
    Sensor Analysis
    Built in tractor beam 1
    Built in Repulsor beam 1.

    Overpowered to start first off, second off, what would be the point of sensor analysis on this ship? Second off, just got a Vo-quv, that thing has pets coming out it's wazoo. You can fly two BoP heavies, and six fighters at once.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    overpowered how? Its damage is the pets as the carrier has just 2 weapons fore and 2 aft.

    Its a primary fleet carrier. The VoQuv is a dreadnought ...basically a battleship with hangar bays.

    sensor analysis and the built in tractor beams plus subsystem attacks are there so this ship can be a true fleet support vessel and fleet carrier.

    Feds got a multimission, highly OP'd cruisers... the KDF equivalent should be these: fleet carriers.

    No fancy shmancy consoles though or idiotically overpowered abilities. Just solid, reliable performance and plenty of pet deployment capability.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    overpowered how? Its damage is the pets as the carrier has just 2 weapons fore and 2 aft.

    Its a primary fleet carrier. The VoQuv is a dreadnought ...basically a battleship with hangar bays.

    sensor analysis and the built in tractor beams plus subsystem attacks are there so this ship can be a true fleet support vessel and fleet carrier.

    Feds got a multimission, highly OP'd cruisers... the KDF equivalent should be these: fleet carriers.

    No fancy shmancy consoles though or idiotically overpowered abilities. Just solid, reliable performance and plenty of pet deployment capability.

    I've seen Vo'quvs and Kar'fis doing as much damage as a decent escort would, only with their pets. If you were to use 4 hangars, the possibilities would be endless --> the ship would be devastating (if the enemy is in range).

    On the other hand, it would be a terribly boring design whenever you are required to move across the map.

    Plus you'd be adding another layer of spam to space maps.

    I don't see much positive about such a ship.

    Looks to me you might want to command a station rather than a starship. :P
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was thinking the same thing :D may as well have a space station with impulse and warp drive.

    I can see it now. Six Hangars, no weapons, except a point defence console, turn rate of three, extra carrier commands. A mobile starbase.

    It wouldn't even be a carrier, they could call it a Ferasan Mobile Starbase, Hound Dog class just to mess with people.

    Actually that sounds sort of cool :D.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Actually I had my own idea for an interesting ship that's kind of out there, Lethean Cosmozoan Ship, a living telepathic ship, a Cosmozoan that has been domisticated by the Letheans.

    Cosmozoan would be its catogory, but its class would a Lethean Kraken.

    It would have 4 fore weapons and 4 aft Weapons, with a special console or ability that dealt telepathic damage which did nothing to shields or hull and slaughtered crew instead.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I would be happy if it were something along the lines of a Vesta...doesn't need aux disruptor cannons and stuff but it would be nice to have some type of carrier that has a turn rate in the double digits.
  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    toiva wrote: »
    I've seen Vo'quvs and Kar'fis doing as much damage as a decent escort would, only with their pets. If you were to use 4 hangars, the possibilities would be endless --> the ship would be devastating (if the enemy is in range).

    2 problems with your logic:

    1: carrier = escort. They're not. An escort will significantly outdamage a carrier like the one I outlined above. I know this because my bird of prey / adv. escort put voquv pet alpha strikes to shame. (b'rolth high yield attacks).

    2: As you said, 'if the enemy is in range'. Very low speed+very low turn rate say 'hello!'. This is the 'cap ship' aspect of a fleet carrier such as this. The carrier itself must be within 15km of the enemy to properly command its pets and within 10km to properly support them.
    On the other hand, it would be a terribly boring design whenever you are required to move across the map.

    Plus you'd be adding another layer of spam to space maps.

    I don't see much positive about such a ship.

    Looks to me you might want to command a station rather than a starship. :P

    Boring not really...its just a much more tactical gameplay.

    The positive of it is precisely that it can be a very potent support craft or a very powerful launch platform for pets. The player would be using the pets and support BOFF abilities to play not merely launching pets and going in with high level tac boff skills and heavy weaponry blasting stuff up (like the current kdf carriers do).
  • chainfallchainfall Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    As long as the Lethean ship looks properly bad TRIBBLE, I'd like to see one.
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