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bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Klingon Discussion
My KDF tac captain is getting close to level 40, which means the next ship I get I'll be stuck with for a while. I was thinking about getting a Negh'var and saving for a Z store ship in the future (though I'm not sure what yet, they all look really good on paper at least). I was thinking about a cruiser mainly because while I am a tac, I don't want to have another escort (my fed tac flies an escort and I want a change of pace), so I don't really want a raptor or BoP, the latter of which is probably too delicate for me to keep alive anyway?but I'm open to any and all suggestions.
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Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
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  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I flew a Vo'Quv on my old Sci KDF captain ( I replaced him with my tac because I'm going playing through from the beginning with my brother). BoPs on that were fantastic. The only downside to that ship was the fact it only has 6 weapons, which made it difficult for me to create a balanced build. I am a science ability junkie, so the more sci boff slots the better. I'm not in a fleet at the moment so I don't have access to the Tor'kaht (yet), but it looks like a great ship. I'm not entirely opposed to flying a BoP, I'm just concerned that as a tactical captain it would be extremely difficult to keep it alive.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
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  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I flew a Vo'Quv on my old Sci KDF captain ( I replaced him with my tac because I'm going playing through from the beginning with my brother). BoPs on that were fantastic. The only downside to that ship was the fact it only has 6 weapons, which made it difficult for me to create a balanced build. I am a science ability junkie, so the more sci boff slots the better. I'm not in a fleet at the moment so I don't have access to the Tor'kaht (yet), but it looks like a great ship. I'm not entirely opposed to flying a BoP, I'm just concerned that as a tactical captain it would be extremely difficult to keep it alive.

    I will GIVE you a Mirror Qin for STFs. Save yourself the effort man. Its also great for the rommie stuff. Only thing u may prefer battlecloak on vault ensnared. Honest, why work so much harder than you need to. I'd hate to see u have some less than optimal results and feel discouraged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iRvljKGwjY raptor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iRvljKGwjY bop

    I'm NOT saying you can't do it. I'm just saying you may have more fun kitting out different ships for different missions.

    Oh and I'm a tac too.

    Peace have fun and stuff. And there's a bunch of videos up there. Torkahst, Ktingas doing stf's at commander level. good times. enjoy.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Another vote for the Mirror Qin here. It's just tanky enough to be used in STFs, and deals great damage to boot. Furthermore, all you need to get it is a batch of EC! It's probably the closest 'cheap' equivalent to a fedscort. The only drawback is that its turning may take a little getting used to.

    Your RA token would probably be best used getting the BoP, if PvP is something you want to try, or the Vor'cha for more general purpose use. The Negh'var is a little heavy on engineering IMO, but that's all up to you.
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Oooooh mirror Qin. I had forgotten about that ship. Just looked it up on stowiki and it looks like a great ship.

    P.S.

    Yes, I do hope to do PVP. I didn't used to do it but I'm starting to enjoy it a lot more.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Lowest Qin on the exchange is a little over 1 mil ec right now. I should be able to raise that by the time I hit level 50. I might get the vor'cha or a BoP as a stopgap. I'm intrigued by both the Hegh'ta and the retrofit Vor'cha, so I might give one of those a try in the mean while.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Actually, the cheapest is about 350k EC now. The exchange is a little borked at the moment. You have to select an item category (in this case, "Reward Packs"), or it may not show you the cheapest currently available. :)
  • lordcorrinolordcorrino Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Fleet Torkhat (Vorcha). The feds have nothing like it. Slap a pair of RCS consoles on it and arm it with all DHC and Turrets and enjoy a true battlecruiser. Great ship. I rolled a TAC just to be able to fly this ship to its capacity.
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Fleet Torkhat (Vorcha). The feds have nothing like it. Slap a pair of RCS consoles on it and arm it with all DHC and Turrets and enjoy a true battlecruiser. Great ship. I rolled a TAC just to be able to fly this ship to its capacity.

    Each time someone equips RCS consoles on this ship, the Egg Bringer sheds a tear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwZwom0_988

    Do not need. Put something in there somewhat useful. EPS or something. Leave it empty if you have to. Just don't RCS it.


    EDIT: As a little aside there's also a doff now that when you use Emergency to Engines it gives a boost to ID. It really seems to make my Fed Assault Cruiser extra zippy. I mean if you were THAT concerened over movement in this ship I'm SURE you'd be using that ability anyway so maybe just one of those doffs would put minds at rest.
  • xiphenonxiphenon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Fleet Torkhat (Vorcha). The feds have nothing like it. Slap a pair of RCS consoles on it and arm it with all DHC and Turrets and enjoy a true battlecruiser. Great ship. I rolled a TAC just to be able to fly this ship to its capacity.

    For PvE, you don't need any high turnrate ... for PvP you should consider beam setup (you will be outmanouvered frequently by escorts).

    Instead of 2 RSC, I would go plasmonic leech, Borg and 2x Neutronium in Eng, than 2 field gen in Science (or 1 field and Romulan) and and what to put in the tactical console slot should be very clear ...





    ... of course rainbow power!
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  • tetonicatetonica Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    It's also hard to go wrong with the kar'fi as well. Excellent tac slots and sci slots, good dps and good utility :)
    Lynis, Orion Engineer, main
    Rrezeth, Gorn Tactical, primary alt
    Nari, Orion Science, secondary alt
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kar'fi looks like a beast. I've been very impressed playing against it in PVP; it's the one ship class I've *never* beaten in my fed escort at some point. Last time I played against one I was so mercilessly destroyed by it it wasn't even funny.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • aspheasphe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    My KDF tac captain is getting close to level 40, which means the next ship I get I'll be stuck with for a while. I was thinking about getting a Negh'var and saving for a Z store ship in the future (though I'm not sure what yet, they all look really good on paper at least). I was thinking about a cruiser mainly because while I am a tac, I don't want to have another escort (my fed tac flies an escort and I want a change of pace), so I don't really want a raptor or BoP, the latter of which is probably too delicate for me to keep alive anyway?but I'm open to any and all suggestions.

    Carrier: Vo'Quv
    Battle Carrier: Kar'fi
    Battle Cruiser: Vorcha (and Fleet version. Also look for the Mirror ships)
    Escort: Qin (Mirror Qin is dirt cheap on the exchange)
    Raider: Hegh'ta (or B'rel if you can handle it)


    Mirror ships (Exchange - Reward Packs) are dirt cheap. A lot of us fill up our ship roster with those to use as 'storage' ships to keep extra weapons and whatnot. So when you rank up and get the free T4 ship, try not to get anything that can be replaced by a cheap 'Mirror'. There's also the Guramba (or GSD) or Fleet versions of the Scrouge.

    Among the advantages the KDF has over the FEDs, superior ships and consoles.

    http://www.stowiki.org/Playable_starship


    BOP Survivability? Put on a brace of Neutronium & Monotanium armor consoles and make sure you pack 'Hazard Emitters' as one of your Sci skills. That should be enough. Anything else that can overcome that combination would probably kill you regardless of ship-type anyway. Just know when to run ^-^ or have a stack of components. A 'Resilient' type shield is also recommended.
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Just played Kerr'at in my BoP, and I'm convinced. I've been shredding fed ships like nobody's business, and they can barely dent my ship. I just went toe to toe with a defiant who was higher level than me and destroyed him. My hull only got to 63 %, because he had a Hargh'peng torpedo. The speed and firepower of this ship more than make up for the lack of hull and shield strength.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm guessing you've gone for the BoP, and a good choice it is, indeed.

    I just wanted to point out that there is also a mirror Vor'cha. It's called "Mirror Battlecruiser" on the exchange :)

    Additionally, I've got one tac with the Heghta, and now a new one with the Negh'var: I love both, though for very different reasons. The bop you found out about yourself; the Negh'var is a beast with a tac captain too (I maxed impulse thrusters for it, btw, that helps). In that one, one relies more on resilience and brute staying power when slugging it out with your foes.
  • aspheasphe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Another advantage the KDF has... better players. Or at least more experienced ones.

    It will be interesting once PvP is no longer faction specific.
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    asphe wrote: »
    Another advantage the KDF has... better players. Or at least more experienced ones.

    True. In Ker'rat myself and 1 other BoP massacred 6 Feds (2 cruisers, 2 sci ships, and 2 escorts) who spawned next to us in just a couple of minutes. They didn't stand a chance.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • bertiewoosterbertiewooster Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I got myself a Hegh'ta and I'm saving my ECs for a mirror Qin (and maybe a vor'cha further down the road). So far my Hegh'ta has performed beautifully in both PVE and PVP. It's been far better at tanking than I expected it to be, probably due to its Boff layout flexibility.
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    Darius (TAC VA) USS Gahreesen (Chel Grett Cruiser), Shomat (SCI VA) ISS Selentic (Mirror DSSV), Napoleon (ENG Capt.) USS Fists of Latinum (Exploration Cruiser), Gothmog (Tac Capt.) IKS Nazgul (Hegh'ta Heavy BoP), Aaesia (Reman Sci Capt) RRW Arien III (Ha'Nom Guardian)
  • veepnovaveepnova Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Vorcha-R brings options for a tac officer. You still have dual cannons, and the turn rate to use them effectively. Neghvar can use cannons also, but cant keep them on target quite as well. (well enough to be viable though, at least in pve) It is certainly beefier though. The hardest part about switching to a battlecruiser from an escort/raptor is getting used to the boff slots. Once you do, though, you'll find that you are very effective. I like the Vorcha-R so much that I got a fleet K'tinga. As far as boff layout goes, its the spiritual fleet version of that ship. The fleet Torkaht is an even more aggressive version, but would require you to be in a fleet thats at least T2. Fleet ships are a little further off so I'll stop talking about them.

    Birds of Prey are also fun. If something isnt working, its very easy to switch your Boffs around and suddenly be running an entirely different build. They do have this tendency to explode however.

    I dont agree with the recommendation of the VoQuv carrier posted earlier however. Dont get me wrong, its an amazing ship, its just not right for tac captains. You'll be pretty much wasting your captain abilities, since you cant buff your pets with them, which are your primary source of damage. The Karfi is more tactical oriented. If you really want to use a carrier with a tac captain, I'd recommend that one.

    Raptors are the most escort like, so they're probably not what you are looking for, since you want a different experience.

    I hope my 2 cents helps!
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