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farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
I saw on the "Ask Cryptic" and he said they have plans for more ships in the TOS era. This makes me wonder what they are up to. Since the Constitution was the main one used. And we have that already.

Only ones I can think of this the ones from the book. Like the Federation Class Dreadnaught, and the Saladin Class destroyer/escort type with the nacelle under the ship.

Here is where I read it on the report:

Q: (tpai99) Will there be a Fleet version of the Vesta? What about the new ships that you guys design yourself? Will there be more possibilities to create your own ship?

Dstahl: We haven?t made a final decision on the Fleet Vesta, but it is one of the ships we are considering for a Fleet refit. We do have several new ship designs in the works, along with some older designs from both the TOS and Enterprise era. One of our long term goals is to allow Fleets the ability to customize and/or create their own ships, but we want to make more customization parts for existing ships before we implement that.

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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm still squeelin' from that part of His blog...

    He said that They can use stuff from the BOOKS, farther down in the blog...

    So perhaps the STARFLEET TECHNICAL MANUAL is fair game...

    I sure hope so.

    Don't forget the Transport pods and Tugs.

    Wouldn't it be cool if they created a TOS PvP Zone.

    I'd actually attempt PvP again, if They did. :)

    I forgot about TAS, that's part of Their license also... several ships from there, that could be added.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Insectoid_ship

    WANT!!! That thing looks like it would be far too much fun to fly. :D
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Insectoid_ship

    WANT!!! That thing looks like it would be far too much fun to fly. :D

    Heh...

    That might be in the same category as the Enterprise-J though...

    To big to implement as a player ship.


    Be cool as something to have to do a special mission on though.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Well... remember it's a CONNIE. It's less than half the length of a Sovereign.

    But yeah it'd be big even compared to a Sovy. A smaller version could be playable though. Maybe as a Prometheus knock off? The original has 17 pods. A smaller version with 8-ish pods could have a few of the pods detach to act as combat pets.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Well... remember it's a CONNIE. It's less than half the length of a Sovereign.

    But yeah it'd be big even compared to a Sovy. A smaller version could be playable though. Maybe as a Prometheus knock off? The original has 17 pods. A smaller version with 8-ish pods could have a few of the pods detach to act as combat pets.

    Ooooooo...

    Shades of the CE.

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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Man this news really got me excited, there are literally so many possibilities from the TOS and Enterprise-Era. I'm anxious to see what they will reveal!
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Pre-refit TOS styled version of the Miranda and Constellation classes, gimmie gimmie gimmie
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    They could throw in the Constitution "Phase II" variation into the mix. It looks very similar to the refit, but has a few differences.
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    NX Refit, mmm
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    This is great news, but let's be straight. The new ships will be the botany bay, and the nx 01 sister ship we see when Tpol is taking care of old archer.
  • wcnighthawk125wcnighthawk125 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Great. For a game set about 200 years after TOS, we sure do see more of jumping backwards instead of innovating forward.
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The Kelvin is what was brought to mind and the Kelvin Uniforms. Possibly do we finally get an in game event to promote the new Trek film.

    Another TOS design I would love to see would be the Archer-class scout, the USS Sagittarius from Star Trek Vanguard series of books. For the ENT era, I am hoping for the Intrepid, one of the ships sent to escort the Enterprise to Earth after being hunted by the Klingons and it was commanded by Malcolm Reed in an AU Timeline.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    The Kelvin is what was brought to mind and the Kelvin Uniforms. Possibly do we finally get an in game event to promote the new Trek film.

    Barring a new deal being made, anything assets wise (aside from the Hobus thing we have for story) from the new movies are a nono. Paramount has the movies, and Cryptic only has a deal with CBS.
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Except for the Narada and Hobus and Red Matter. There is more that I am missing, so there must've been an exception in place. Honestly, what would be a better place to promote the newest incarnation of Trek than an online Trek game.

    Anyways, scratch the Kelvin. I vote for the Archer-class and the Intrepid for the Feds. With the KDF, ENT's BOP and D-5 class (the Bortas).
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    Except for the Narada and Hobus and Red Matter. There is more that I am missing, so there must've been an exception in place. Honestly, what would be a better place to promote the newest incarnation of Trek than an online Trek game.

    Anyways, scratch the Kelvin. I vote for the Archer-class and the Intrepid for the Feds. With the KDF, ENT's BOP and D-5 class (the Bortas).

    those are the only events in the JJ movie that took place in the prime timeline, thus the only ones that were 'canon' to the game.
  • captiandata1captiandata1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    maybe there was a canon uss kelvin ncc-514 in the prime universe that looked more like tos went to investagate a phenoma that turned out to be the nervana coming to the past and was changed to the jj uss kelvin ncc-0514
  • captiandata1captiandata1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    if jj abrams were to have his ships show up in star trek online the price would have to be 50$ per ship.

    25$ for crytpic
    15$ for paramont
    10$ for jj
    per ship class
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    farmallm wrote: »
    I saw on the "Ask Cryptic" and he said they have plans for more ships in the TOS era. This makes me wonder what they are up to. Since the Constitution was the main one used. And we have that already.

    Only ones I can think of this the ones from the book. Like the Federation Class Dreadnaught, and the Saladin Class destroyer/escort type with the nacelle under the ship.

    Here is where I read it on the report:

    Q: (tpai99) Will there be a Fleet version of the Vesta? What about the new ships that you guys design yourself? Will there be more possibilities to create your own ship?

    Dstahl: We haven?t made a final decision on the Fleet Vesta, but it is one of the ships we are considering for a Fleet refit. We do have several new ship designs in the works, along with some older designs from both the TOS and Enterprise era. One of our long term goals is to allow Fleets the ability to customize and/or create their own ships, but we want to make more customization parts for existing ships before we implement that.


    I'm gonna nip my imagination on this in the bud, personally, and assume he's talking about D7s as the Klingon 3rd anniversary counterpart to the Ambassador and the Andorian destroyer from Enterprise. I don't think he's talking FEDERATION TOS ships.
  • cptskeeterukcptskeeteruk Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I would love to see the original bop from tos not the TRIBBLE lookin thing from enterprise which cryptic have put in even tho its really old even older than the tos ones.

    Also id love to see a first federation ship in the game as a random event of sorts and see how barok or whatever his name was is doing.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm gonna nip my imagination on this in the bud, personally, and assume he's talking about D7s as the Klingon 3rd anniversary counterpart to the Ambassador and the Andorian destroyer from Enterprise. I don't think he's talking FEDERATION TOS ships.

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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    hravik wrote: »
    Barring a new deal being made, anything assets wise (aside from the Hobus thing we have for story) from the new movies are a nono. Paramount has the movies, and Cryptic only has a deal with CBS.

    Prior to some reorganization, Cryptic did deal with Paramount for the Excelsior and the WoK uniforms, if memory serves. CBS didn't control the pre-JJ Abrams movies the whole time and Paramount cooperated with Cryptic in the design phases, which is why the WoK jacket was released with Paramount Home DVDs. I think that all got shifted over to CBS at some point.

    A deal could be possible but it would almost have to be tied to a product Paramount wanted to sell. Ie. STID tickets, a deluxe ST 2009 DVD/Bluray, or some other movie merch.

    My preference would be to see the Kelvin uniforms, J.J. uniforms, and starter ship bundled into the Star Trek game from Namco, with an ad and/or downloader for STO.

    It would encourage people to play both games and discourage rivalry. And I could see Paramount perhaps going with that.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I would love to see the original bop from tos not the TRIBBLE lookin thing from enterprise which cryptic have put in even tho its really old even older than the tos ones.

    Also id love to see a first federation ship in the game as a random event of sorts and see how barok or whatever his name was is doing.
    Balok. And Yeah, that would be interesting. :) The Fesarius is HUGE though.
    hravik wrote: »
    Barring a new deal being made, anything assets wise (aside from the Hobus thing we have for story) from the new movies are a nono. Paramount has the movies, and Cryptic only has a deal with CBS.
    I'd be surprised if CBS didn't put a clause into the movie deal saying they have the rights and can do whatever with them.
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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    maybe there was a canon uss kelvin ncc-514 in the prime universe that looked more like tos went to investagate a phenoma that turned out to be the nervana coming to the past and was changed to the jj uss kelvin ncc-0514


    You seem to be missing the point (or I am misreading what you are saying).

    Cryptic can't use any ship/uniform/etc from the JJverse, because they don't have the rights to it. Cryptic's license is with CBS who only owns the TV shows/TAS/and the movies up to Nemisis. Anything in there is fair game via the agreement with CBS. Anything outside of that (Barring a few books) is a No no.
  • cptskeeterukcptskeeteruk Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    And tbh who would want the rights to the new star trek movie stuff, its all alot of insults to traditional and established trek. I hate reboots and i hate the new trek films, i mean id watch em but i still hate em. :p

    So hopefully sto will keep that stuff out of the game.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    You seem to be missing the point (or I am misreading what you are saying).


    Cryptic can't use any ship/uniform/etc from the JJverse, because they don't have the rights to it. Cryptic's license is with CBS who only owns the TV shows/TAS/and the movies up to Nemisis. Anything in there is fair game via the agreement with CBS. Anything outside of that (Barring a few books) is a No no.

    Actually, I think Cryptic might be able to work around with the Kelvin.

    Technically speaking, the Kelvin was just a Saladin-class with a TOS Consitution engineering hull on the upper pylon. And since the TOS design is nothing even close to the JJ Kelvin, I think Cryptic could add it to the game without any issues, since the licencing is technically with the Kelvin seen in the movies.

    And to me, it would be better if Cryptic had a TOS Kelvin than a JJ Kelvin, since it would fit better with the Prime design genre. But of course those who like the JJ Kelvin would probably like to see it in game as well, so hopefully they could work things out.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Actually, I think Cryptic might be able to work around with the Kelvin.

    Technically speaking, the Kelvin was just a Saladin-class with a TOS Consitution engineering hull on the upper pylon. And since the TOS design is nothing even close to the JJ Kelvin, I think Cryptic could add it to the game without any issues, since the licencing is technically with the Kelvin seen in the movies.

    And to me, it would be better if Cryptic had a TOS Kelvin than a JJ Kelvin, since it would fit better with the Prime design genre. But of course those who like the JJ Kelvin would probably like to see it in game as well, so hopefully they could work things out.

    I don't think Cryptic could show or reference the "Saladin class" though. Yes, it appeared onscreen in an MSD but it appeared FIRST in Franz Joseph's technical manual, published by Del Ray, which falls outside the Pocket Books license, and wasn't called by name in the film.

    I suspect they have about as much rights to the Saladin class as they have to the 1984 Chevy Cavalier Sedan, which turned up in the background of Star Trek IV. It was a third party design from a third party source, used for flavor.

    At best, they might be able to use the unmodded MSD in the background, restricted to exactly how it appeared in STII and STIII.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'd say there's a better case for the Ralph McQuarrie Enterprise design as that was commissioned for a film (ostensibly work for hire for Paramount on a project CBS most likely inherited) and the model itself was used in STIII and in TNG.

    And it's not about being pretty or being canon. It's about who owns what.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Don't forget it was used as in the wreckage scenes in Best of Both Worlds and the space junkyard.

    But we will find out if they were referencing the Saladin or not, but not sure if Franz Jospeh has design rights since he based the Saladin, Hermes, and Federation classes off the Consitution.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    While I'm also hopeful, I agree that TOS doesn't have to mean Starfleet vessels at all. Between the original broadcast and the remastered version made later, there are additional designs to draw from.

    Just as examples, remastered Fesarius (from The Corbomite Maneuver) or the remastered Orion ship (from Journey to Babel).

    Another thought is that TOS can also represent the TOS-era films as well.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm gonna nip my imagination on this in the bud, personally, and assume he's talking about D7s as the Klingon 3rd anniversary counterpart to the Ambassador and the Andorian destroyer from Enterprise. I don't think he's talking FEDERATION TOS ships.

    D7 is already in the game with both retro and fleet versions
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