Seriously, why are we getting all these ships that are from the past? I can under stand T1-3, but T4+ should all be 25 century style. C'mon cryptic, common senseplease.
Because, even though you apparently aren't interested in them, many other players are.
Cryptic would be foolish not to cash in on that fact...
And making them lower than T-4 would be counter-productive to that ends.
It's still a business, and making a Profit is the ultimate goal of any business.
Ignore is such an easy thing to do, give it a try.
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The reason for having all of Trek in STO is quite simple. Its for the fans of all Trek. That is why you see uniforms, ships, interiors and equipment from all past eras in addition to those of the the current era. STO is the only really major thing happening for the non-Abrahm Star Trek.
Not to mention it's effectively standard Fed procedure to be refitting and reworking spaceworthy craft for decades, even centuries, after their launch. If it aint broke... (insert additional applicable cliches here).
I came to play a Trek game, and my nerd side wants access to all the old ships from the show, now that it's pretty much done and all the famous Federation ships are in game, they can go on and add new ones.
Some people don't like the 2409 era ship designs. Some people prefer a "pure" Trek experience with canon uniforms and canon ships. Plus, many people have their pet favorite ship and they'd just really like to be able to use it. Why waste resources developing a whole new design from scratch when there are still existing designs people are clamoring to have?
pretty much what has been brought up already, people who dont care about the "future" direction of the game, rather nostalgiaf..reaks
Since this game has nothing really, to do with the JJ Trek currently being produced...
Aren't we ALL 'nostalgia freaks' in some way or another??
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I came to play a Trek game, and my nerd side wants access to all the old ships from the show, now that it's pretty much done and all the famous Federation ships are in game, they can go on and add new ones.
This. People will ask for more "canon" ships until they release playable versions of every ship ever seen on screen. Sure they'll keep making more new stuff(like Oddy), but people like to see old stuff.
To me its a game, and them making it work for all ages is good. Look at Star Trek itself. It spans a lot of years and you have groups like certain shows/movies. To me I love a little of it all. So I have some older and newer ships in my ship list.
Its a good thing they are trying to get all the groups happy with ship selection. Plus that makes you more unique as we don't want to see a fleet of 1 or 2 ships. I been there before seeing a group go into to kill a boss. And we all looked the same. That was really bad on looks wise.
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Because, even though you apparently aren't interested in them, many other players are.
Cryptic would be foolish not to cash in on that fact...
And making them lower than T-4 would be counter-productive to that ends.
It's still a business, and making a Profit is the ultimate goal of any business.
Then the Devs should allow you to "refit" for ship for 100K Dilithium or so, Higher Teir ships should be more advanced, and more modern. It would also be nice to have some non-cannon ships made.
Then the Devs should allow you to "refit" for (?your?) ship for 100K Dilithium or so, Higher Tier ships should be more advanced, and more modern. It would also be nice to have some non-cannon ships made.
They have Non-CaNon ships in the game...
So, it's not at all unreasonable to expect more in the future.
But do you really believe that Non-CaNon ships will sell as well?
A past post by Dsthal about how terrible a Klingon Ship did in the C-Store, should be your guide to the answer of that question.
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If they were to construct a new ship using new materials, new equipment, new weapons, new hull plating, new everything, but using the exterior blueprint of an old ship, there is no reason why that ship should not be on par with any other ship with brand-new material. Just because it has an old look doesn't mean it actually is old. I can get someone to make a Gothic-style facade for a house, but it doesn't mean that house is suddenly 600 years old and you're living without electricity, central heating, sewage, etc. It just means you prefer that look because it looks nice. None of the "old" ships are actually old, especially with how many losses there are due to the various wars in the setting.
If they were to construct a new ship using new materials, new equipment, new weapons, new hull plating, new everything, but using the exterior blueprint of an old ship, there is no reason why that ship should not be on par with any other ship with brand-new material. Just because it has an old look doesn't mean it actually is old. I can get someone to make a Gothic-style facade for a house, but it doesn't mean that house is suddenly 600 years old and you're living without electricity, central heating, sewage, etc. It just means you prefer that look because it looks nice. None of the "old" ships are actually old, especially with how many losses there are due to the various wars in the setting.
But why would they use old designs, surly they have improved designs for better warp/transwarp capabilities.
So, it's not at all unreasonable to expect more in the future.
But do you really believe that Non-CaNon ships will sell as well?
A past post by Dsthal about how terrible a Klingon Ship did in the C-Store, should be your guide to the answer of that question.
No! Cannons! Non-cannon ships. They must not have cannons.
But seriously, regarding the Klingon ship:
Odds are it's one of the pre-T4/5 ships.
The only purpose of KDF at the moment is to get to 50 asap, because there's little content and most of the content there is a repeat of content geared towards the Federation side.
So many just do a lot of Mirror-Universe at every opportunity - and then you have little incentive to buy any KDF c-store ship except for the endgame ones - because in regards to endgame content the factions are somewhat equal at least, apart from the KDFs utter lack of armor visuals, kit visuals, clothing options & c-store ship options.
It's easier to like (and buy) one out of 30 ships than it is to like one out of 5 ships, too.
Because Starfleet only knows how to rehash designs instead of coming up with something fresh and original. They've turned into Hollywood now, and are only interested in re-releasing stuff over and over again until you puke. There's a floormat outside Starfleet HQ's that reads "Welcome back to the 23rd Century!"
But why would they use old designs, surly they have improved designs for better warp/transwarp capabilities.
Because as the old saying goes, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
The Miranda Class has been active since at least the time of The Wrath of Khan, the Constitution class was present at the battle of Wolf 359 and the Oberth class was in use from the late 23rd century and well into the 24th (First appearance Undiscovered country, last appearance Battle of Sector 001)
At the end of the day, why send a long mission cruiser on a mission to Risa or Vulcan when an refitted older model ship will do the job?
Seriously, why are we getting all these ships that are from the past? I can under stand T1-3, but T4+ should all be 25 century style. C'mon cryptic, common senseplease.
At the risk of sounding repeatitive (since others have said it). Cryptic is trying to cater to all fanbases.
There are people like me, who like canon ships. We like to feel a part of the shows we loved to watch for (what is for some people) most of our lives and nearly all of our growing up. I have little to know interest in non-canon ships. I want to fly something I recognize. The Vesta and Amassador classes have been clamored by the fans for ages.
I am not saying that folks like yourself shouldn't get their new "25th Century" Ships. It would be stupid of Cryptic to overlook either group. Both are part of the game and both have an equal right to get the ships they want and be able to fly them.
Any ship below T5 isn't going to sell well, and for some of them, probably isn't worth the development costs. Much as I love the NX class, I have not and am still debating ever purchasing it. why? cause it isn't worth my time. why should I pay money (via Zen) for a ship I am going to use for 2 days and then it is going to be obsolete.
Correction, Oberth was first seen in The Search for Spock.
Well that puts it as even longer in active service and helps to prove my point then
Simply put, Starfleet doesn't retire a design that still works just because of age, it's highly likely that these small ships are easier to reproduce in high numbers than say, an Odyssey Class ship meaning that it's more beneficial for Starfleet to have high numbers of older and smaller ships with lower numbers of the more powerful current models.
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Cryptic would be foolish not to cash in on that fact...
And making them lower than T-4 would be counter-productive to that ends.
It's still a business, and making a Profit is the ultimate goal of any business.
Ignore is such an easy thing to do, give it a try.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Since this game has nothing really, to do with the JJ Trek currently being produced...
Aren't we ALL 'nostalgia freaks' in some way or another??
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
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My character Tsin'xing
JJ trek is still the past, just a different timeline
(besides i didnt bring up jj's trek >.>)
Im referring to the FUTURE,
The JJ'verse is not bad guys! Its just misunderstood! Golly Gosh Dang Darn!!
Its a good thing they are trying to get all the groups happy with ship selection. Plus that makes you more unique as we don't want to see a fleet of 1 or 2 ships. I been there before seeing a group go into to kill a boss. And we all looked the same. That was really bad on looks wise.
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God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
So true, putting it up as a purchasable ship. They get $ to keep the game going and someone gets to use the ship they want. So its a win-win for both.
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Then the Devs should allow you to "refit" for ship for 100K Dilithium or so, Higher Teir ships should be more advanced, and more modern. It would also be nice to have some non-cannon ships made.
They have Non-CaNon ships in the game...
So, it's not at all unreasonable to expect more in the future.
But do you really believe that Non-CaNon ships will sell as well?
A past post by Dsthal about how terrible a Klingon Ship did in the C-Store, should be your guide to the answer of that question.
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Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
But why would they use old designs, surly they have improved designs for better warp/transwarp capabilities.
My character Tsin'xing
No! Cannons! Non-cannon ships. They must not have cannons.
But seriously, regarding the Klingon ship:
Odds are it's one of the pre-T4/5 ships.
The only purpose of KDF at the moment is to get to 50 asap, because there's little content and most of the content there is a repeat of content geared towards the Federation side.
So many just do a lot of Mirror-Universe at every opportunity - and then you have little incentive to buy any KDF c-store ship except for the endgame ones - because in regards to endgame content the factions are somewhat equal at least, apart from the KDFs utter lack of armor visuals, kit visuals, clothing options & c-store ship options.
It's easier to like (and buy) one out of 30 ships than it is to like one out of 5 ships, too.
He's dead, Jim.
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Because as the old saying goes, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
The Miranda Class has been active since at least the time of The Wrath of Khan, the Constitution class was present at the battle of Wolf 359 and the Oberth class was in use from the late 23rd century and well into the 24th (First appearance Undiscovered country, last appearance Battle of Sector 001)
At the end of the day, why send a long mission cruiser on a mission to Risa or Vulcan when an refitted older model ship will do the job?
At the risk of sounding repeatitive (since others have said it). Cryptic is trying to cater to all fanbases.
There are people like me, who like canon ships. We like to feel a part of the shows we loved to watch for (what is for some people) most of our lives and nearly all of our growing up. I have little to know interest in non-canon ships. I want to fly something I recognize. The Vesta and Amassador classes have been clamored by the fans for ages.
I am not saying that folks like yourself shouldn't get their new "25th Century" Ships. It would be stupid of Cryptic to overlook either group. Both are part of the game and both have an equal right to get the ships they want and be able to fly them.
Any ship below T5 isn't going to sell well, and for some of them, probably isn't worth the development costs. Much as I love the NX class, I have not and am still debating ever purchasing it. why? cause it isn't worth my time. why should I pay money (via Zen) for a ship I am going to use for 2 days and then it is going to be obsolete.
Well that puts it as even longer in active service and helps to prove my point then
Simply put, Starfleet doesn't retire a design that still works just because of age, it's highly likely that these small ships are easier to reproduce in high numbers than say, an Odyssey Class ship meaning that it's more beneficial for Starfleet to have high numbers of older and smaller ships with lower numbers of the more powerful current models.