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anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
I just complete both Romulan and Omega T5 projects and stories...

Cryptic... I hate to say it... But this was 90% worth the grind...

The grind WAS a bit over the top, but the Dil and EC rewards are kinda worth it... and the Romulan Story... Great...

Still... Little less grind would be appreciated next time, but it was worth it.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yes, thank you for all the broken goodies you shoved in the system without thoroughly testing it first. Definitely worth it.

    But hey, it's better than dealing with a random number generator at least...
  • sandormen123sandormen123 Member Posts: 862 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hypl wrote: »
    Yes, thank you for all the broken goodies you shoved in the system without thoroughly testing it first. Definitely worth it.

    But hey, it's better than dealing with a random number generator at least...

    Don't forget to mention the awesome placeholders... :D
    And thorough decitionmaking regarding the shield. -making a mistake, making it into a supershield, for thereafter supernerfing it. Way to do it. Awesomeness. /end of sarcasm.
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  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just hit T5 in Rom and Omega rep and honestly, the best reward is that it's finally over (my two KDF characters hit it tomorrow).

    The bonus Omega Marks and Neural Processors were a pleasant surprise (although you get nothing from New Romulus) and I've got my Adapted MACO ground set now (plus the costume unlock) so there's nothing more I want from the Rep system.

    At least now I can get back to playing the content I want to play instead of grinding Tau Dewa patrols every day for Rom Marks :rolleyes:
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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hypl wrote: »
    Yes, thank you for all the broken goodies you shoved in the system without thoroughly testing it first.
    This.

    Let's see...
    - Adapted MACO/KHG weapons dealing the wrong type of damage
    - Tons of tailor bugs with new sets including inconsequential colour palette (Adapted MACO) or no colour change option at all (Adapted KHG), as well as no KHG Helmet option (like, at all...)
    - No Romulan Flamethrower
    - No Liberated Borg duty officers
    - Weak choice of weapons from the reputation store - no pulsewave of any description etc.
    - Expensive space set pieces (34k dilithium per piece + tons of marks).
    - Entourages lasting for 4 hours, looking like some kind of gorilla bouncers (but of course there's a romulan female in the picture... false advertising much?)
    - Bugged/nerfed passive abilities
    - Useless consumables purchased with dilithium
    - The final romulan mission requiring players to repeat the Tier 4 mission AGAIN...
    - Disappointing final cutscene with yet another weak cliffhanger and no proper resolution

    I'll say this - several of the new toys are nice. The Elite Scorpion Hangar is neat (untill they'll nerf it like they did with the runabouts), the Adapted sets are great alternatives, and the new Omega weapons are fun to use. But was it worth it? Hell no. I've spent several weeks grinding marks, tediously purchasing commodities on a daily basis just to run those projects. And now I need even more to be able to purchase all the things I want. I hate that the only good way to obtain RM was the Epohh tagging, and that despite what has been advertised the whole New Romulus zone revolves only around a couple of "story" missions, several "press F to progress" dailies and a handful of accolades. There's absolutely no reason to revisit this zone now, which is basically the same issue I've got with Defera and Nukara. The New Romulus makes the same mistake - it just stretched it out due to artificial timers.

    The final reward for Romulan Tier 5 mission was a surprise, but I can't say it was worth it, as I've already lost way more than I've received just to reach Tier 5.

    Good thing is, with Season 8 coming around May there's not need to grind anymore and I can go back to doing STFs and other stuff I WANT to do, instead of the stuff I NEED to do...
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    although you get nothing from New Romulus

    So the 32 K Dil, 40K EC and 700 Rep marks were a accident on my account?

    Cool.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    (although you get nothing from New Romulus)

    Yes you do, once you complete the T5 mission that forces you to redo the T4 mission.

    ETA: Now that I've got my Adapted ground set/costume, and a space set for good measure, and the few Omega goodies (cutting beam, torpedo for funs) - bar the flamethrower there's absolutely nothing else that I want from either the Romulus or Omega cartels.

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  • oridjerraaoridjerraa Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I finish my Rom/Omega rep sometime tonight while i'm at work. My overall conclusions are.

    -As an old school EQer I like the passives which remind me of alternate advancement form Everquest. I hope to see more of this.
    -Mine Trap is a blast. By keeping mechanics pretty simple(no worrying about standing in the fire)and letting immersion generate all the fun, this is the first raid content that is a pleasure to revisit again and again.
    -New Romulas and its sector counterpart offer player customization in regards to playstyles. I like the 5 wave rumbles vs Rival Klingons, Gorns, etc. Even more fun doing them grouped. On New Romulas itself, something to do while waiting in a pvp queue. Excellent.
    -New set items show that you are expanding your horizon into new ways to make end gear.

    -My only caveats is story/acting and lack of pvp content. The story is not bad, but lacks the maturity I prefer. And with all the great things you have shown me that you are capable of, why hold back that creativity from pvp? An example-New Romulas would make one hell of a persistant ground PvP mirror.
  • allocaterallocater Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well, time to hit youtube, to watch the story, cause it is to annoying to click 30 times per day to start the project.
  • recks43recks43 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    I just complete both Romulan and Omega T5 projects and stories...

    Cryptic... I hate to say it... But this was 90% worth the grind...

    The grind WAS a bit over the top, but the Dil and EC rewards are kinda worth it... and the Romulan Story... Great...

    Still... Little less grind would be appreciated next time, but it was worth it.

    I disagree.

    Too much grind for the chance to spend 32.5k dil and 1000 om per piece of gear.

    The old system was much less of a grind.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    recks43 wrote: »
    I disagree.

    Too much grind for the chance to spend 32.5k dil and 1000 om per piece of gear.

    The old system was much less of a grind.

    When it takes less than 50 ISEs to get to Tier 5, Cutting Beam, Omega Torpedo Launcher, various Store Unlocks, and a full Mk XII ground set while possible taking hundreds of elite STFs to get the full Mk XII ground set, then the new system is much less of a grind compared to the old. Sure there are some lucky players that got everything in less than 50 elite STFs, but they are the anomaly. The new system is better for everyone not just a lucky few.
  • aegon1iceaegon1ice Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well, it was a pleasant surprise to see a quest pop up handing me a bunch of Dilithium and Marks.

    The only thing which made this whole a downer was:

    Borg:
    - No final story-thingy from D'Vak like on New Romulus... a cutscene would have been nice...
    - The STF Rep is just disappointing as hell
    - The STF costs are insanely high, even with the reward in the end...500Marks +10BNP+DIL...really?
    - The costume unlocks costing additional Marks and DIL...and are a seperate unlock...
    - Costumes not even an option for your BoFFs...great

    Romulan:
    - Entourage completely useless NPC for just stalking behind me...at least it could have been a combat pet after spending so much money and time.
    - Final story instance rather disappointing, but a typical Cryptic Story layout...build it up and let it fall in a second. I find this very sad. I was hoping for a clear told story and for a time I felt this time I would get a clear told story...but once again I got disappointed. No hopes anymore to expect a story driven arc in STO.


    The Good:
    - I love the Hyper-Plasma Launcher
    - Love the Console and Set all in all...thank you for those! this is worthy to grind for. At least you get a clear bang for your buck!
    - I like Cutting Beam and Set
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    starkaos wrote: »
    When it takes less than 50 ISEs to get to Tier 5, Cutting Beam, Omega Torpedo Launcher, various Store Unlocks, and a full Mk XII ground set while possible taking hundreds of elite STFs to get the full Mk XII ground set, then the new system is much less of a grind compared to the old. Sure there are some lucky players that got everything in less than 50 elite STFs, but they are the anomaly. The new system is better for everyone not just a lucky few.

    You conveniently (as does everyone that champions this system over the old one) forgot to mention that those 50 ISEs under the old system would have also netted you plenty of EDCs for a Borg set, Mk X or XI gear some nice Doffs and most likely a full ship or two's worth of [Borg] weapons in addition to a *lot* of Dilithium.

    Just because the Mk XII gear is attainable without random drops now does not make this a better system. It's a horrible, pointless grind.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Only good thing the old system had over the new is the Borg Set. For the STF sets, it is cheaper through the new system. You need to do 10 elite STFs with the old system for Mk X STF gear and 20 Elite STFs with the old system for Mk XI STF gear. Doing 10 elite STFs will give you more than enough Omega Marks to get a Mk XII STF ground set piece. Won't comment on the Borg Doffs because they are not in yet.

    If anyone has to do the exact same elite STF hundreds of times for that prototype drop, then there is something horribly wrong with the system. It doesn't matter that most people only need to do less than 50 to get that drop. Doing the same elite STF hundreds of times for that one elusive drop is a horrible, pointless grind.
  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I did not get any EC, dilithium, omega marks, or BNPs when I collected the reward for the T5 upgrade. Bug?
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  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    I did not get any EC, dilithium, omega marks, or BNPs when I collected the reward for the T5 upgrade. Bug?

    For Romulus you get it for completing the story mission, which requires you to replay the T4 mission.
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  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    brigadooom wrote: »
    For Romulus you get it for completing the story mission, which requires you to replay the T4 mission.

    I did not get anything for Omega either - on multiple toons.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Try moving to a different map or logging back in. Might need a project done to get the reward.
  • rs2965rs2965 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    I did not get anything for Omega either - on multiple toons.

    I had to buy(?) something (specifically, the Plasma Torpedo Launcher) and then I received the rewards and accolade. I had not acquired anything up till the torpedo launcher.

    Not sure about the Romulan Tier V; I get that on Friday.
  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just because the Mk XII gear is attainable without random drops now does not make this a better system. It's a horrible, pointless grind.

    And the old system where one could possible run 1000s of STF and not get all of the Mk XII drops wasn't any less horrible and pointless? It boggles the mind.
  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    starkaos wrote: »
    Try moving to a different map or logging back in. Might need a project done to get the reward.

    Thanks. Finally got it working.
    starkaos wrote: »
    When it takes less than 50 ISEs to get to Tier 5, Cutting Beam, Omega Torpedo Launcher, various Store Unlocks, and a full Mk XII ground set while possible taking hundreds of elite STFs to get the full Mk XII ground set, then the new system is much less of a grind compared to the old. Sure there are some lucky players that got everything in less than 50 elite STFs, but they are the anomaly. The new system is better for everyone not just a lucky few.

    Your numbers are incomplete. Less than 50 ISE to get the T5 is true. However, you'll need another 50 to buy a complete space set. 1000 omega marks are needed for each piece of space gear. 500 omega marks for each piece of ground gear. Not to mention costing a good chunk of dilithium (32,500 for each piece of space gear, 9000 for each piece of ground gear). And from my personal experience, it wasn't that hard to get the set in the old system (dodges tomatoes). I obtained the Mark XII set on 5 toons with less than 300 STFs per piece. Yes, that means I did not get the 300 STF accolade on any STFs, on any of my toons. I am not alone in this. A friend of mine also got his mark XII set on 4 toons as well in the old system. And after he got it, he still needed to grind them to get the accolade. (And keep in mind that the accolade does not separate ground and space, but lumps them together). Are we the anomaly being extremely lucky? Or perhaps those that ran 1000 STFs and still did not get it - are they the anomaly? Prior to S7, I saw plenty of people running around ESD in their mark XII costumes.

    Either way you slice it, it's a grind. The difference is that the grind is a 'known' quantity now. But I would say on average, it is NOT 'less' of a grind. Plus, you have to pay for it now as well whereas before, you didn't. Some prefer it this way. Others don't. What I can say is that a number of people in my fleet have said that part of the fun in the old STFs was the excitement of getting that drop. The suspense of picking up the loot and seeing if you won the prize. There were also people that had multiple upon multiple prototype techs just sitting in their bank. Super lucky perhaps? Or perhaps the drops weren't as bad a people made them out to be.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    And from my personal experience, it wasn't that hard to get the set in the old system (dodges tomatoes). I obtained the Mark XII set on 5 toons with less than 300 STFs per piece. Yes, that means I did not get the 300 STF accolade on any STFs, on any of my toons. I am not alone in this. A friend of mine also got his mark XII set on 4 toons as well in the old system. And after he got it, he still needed to grind them to get the accolade. (And keep in mind that the accolade does not separate ground and space, but lumps them together). Are we the anomaly being extremely lucky? Or perhaps those that ran 1000 STFs and still did not get it - are they the anomaly? Prior to S7, I saw plenty of people running around ESD in their mark XII costumes.
    Yeah, I haven't gotten my Medal of Honor yet, though I've had full MACO XII sets (ground and space) and half of a full Omega XII set (2/3 Space, 1/3 Ground) since before S7... and in the last month or so before S7 the set pieces seemed to drop much more frequently... I got the Mk XII Omega and MACO engines and Omega carbine within the last week or two of S6. And I still need the final service medals for Khitomer and Cure...
  • walkincrowwalkincrow Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The dilithium was a nice surprise for me. The marks help, but the EC doesn't go very far considering the cost of buying all the supplies to advance through the projects, but since rewards like this are few and far between in this game, I'll give a big thumbs up.

    After I finished the rep tree I started unlocking the stores and I can't believe the costs. I thought I was finished with the romulan rep system, but now it looks like it would be worthwhile to complete on my other 8 characters, just to scrape up more dilithium. Well, back to the Epohh fields I go.
  • therealfluffytherealfluffy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    Thanks. Finally got it working.

    I just claimed the Tier V Omega on one of my KDF toons and didn't receive any reward. I've tried to change map, instance and relog but nothing helped. What did you do to get it to work?

    EDIT: And now it happened on a 2nd KDF toon while it worked flawlessly on a 3rd one yesterday as well as on 3 FED toons. :(
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    Your numbers are incomplete. Less than 50 ISE to get the T5 is true. However, you'll need another 50 to buy a complete space set. 1000 omega marks are needed for each piece of space gear. 500 omega marks for each piece of ground gear. Not to mention costing a good chunk of dilithium (32,500 for each piece of space gear, 9000 for each piece of ground gear). And from my personal experience, it wasn't that hard to get the set in the old system (dodges tomatoes). I obtained the Mark XII set on 5 toons with less than 300 STFs per piece. Yes, that means I did not get the 300 STF accolade on any STFs, on any of my toons. I am not alone in this. A friend of mine also got his mark XII set on 4 toons as well in the old system. And after he got it, he still needed to grind them to get the accolade. (And keep in mind that the accolade does not separate ground and space, but lumps them together). Are we the anomaly being extremely lucky? Or perhaps those that ran 1000 STFs and still did not get it - are they the anomaly? Prior to S7, I saw plenty of people running around ESD in their mark XII costumes.

    Either way you slice it, it's a grind. The difference is that the grind is a 'known' quantity now. But I would say on average, it is NOT 'less' of a grind. Plus, you have to pay for it now as well whereas before, you didn't. Some prefer it this way. Others don't. What I can say is that a number of people in my fleet have said that part of the fun in the old STFs was the excitement of getting that drop. The suspense of picking up the loot and seeing if you won the prize. There were also people that had multiple upon multiple prototype techs just sitting in their bank. Super lucky perhaps? Or perhaps the drops weren't as bad a people made them out to be.

    How are my numbers incomplete? I never said anything about getting a Mk XII STF Space set just a Mk XII STF ground set. Currently on my accolades, I have ran 52 Infected, 1 Cure, and 2 Khitomer Accords. I have ran 3 Infected Space Elites after I got to Tier 5 so the total amount of STFs ran to get to that point is just under 50. I obtained the 250 Omega Mark crate and there is the 500 Omega Mark reward for getting to Tier 5 so the amount of Omega Marks I spent is 1000 Omega Marks for the Cutting Beam and Omega Torpedo Launcher, 1500 Omega Marks for the Mk XII STF ground set, and 900 Omega Marks for Store Unlocks (120 OM each for Mk XII ground weapons, 90 each for the prosthetics and consumables at tier 2, and 180 each for the prosthetics and consumables at tier 4). For a total of 3400 Omega Marks. So if I subtract the rewards I got from the crate and Tier 5 reward, then that is 2650 Omega Marks. Including the amount to get up to Tier 5 which is about 1500, then that is about 4150 Omega Marks. If you do 50 ISEs, then the minimum you can get is 3000. Doing 50 ISEs during the reputation event gives you a minimum of 3750. So I just need to make up about 400 Omega Marks through the ISE optional and/or the Omega Mark bonus.

    If it takes 50 elite STFs to get a Mk XII STF Space set, then you are doing something wrong. That is the absolute minimum to get the space set and its been a long time where I got just 60 Omega Marks for an Elite STF since I always run my elite STFs during the reputation event so I get a minimum of 75 Omega Marks.
  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just claimed the Tier V Omega on one of my KDF toons and didn't receive any reward. I've tried to change map, instance and relog but nothing helped. What did you do to get it to work?

    I did a convert 50 marks to dilithium upgrade project on one of them. On another, it happened automatically when I logged back in a couple hours later.
    starkaos wrote: »
    How are my numbers incomplete? I never said anything about getting a Mk XII STF Space set just a Mk XII STF ground set. Currently on my accolades, I have ran 52 Infected, 1 Cure, and 2 Khitomer Accords. I have ran 3 Infected Space Elites after I got to Tier 5 so the total amount of STFs ran to get to that point is just under 50. I obtained the 250 Omega Mark crate and there is the 500 Omega Mark reward for getting to Tier 5 so the amount of Omega Marks I spent is 1000 Omega Marks for the Cutting Beam and Omega Torpedo Launcher, 1500 Omega Marks for the Mk XII STF ground set, and 900 Omega Marks for Store Unlocks (120 OM each for Mk XII ground weapons, 90 each for the prosthetics and consumables at tier 2, and 180 each for the prosthetics and consumables at tier 4). For a total of 3400 Omega Marks. So if I subtract the rewards I got from the crate and Tier 5 reward, then that is 2650 Omega Marks. Including the amount to get up to Tier 5 which is about 1500, then that is about 4150 Omega Marks. If you do 50 ISEs, then the minimum you can get is 3000. Doing 50 ISEs during the reputation event gives you a minimum of 3750. So I just need to make up about 400 Omega Marks through the ISE optional and/or the Omega Mark bonus.

    If it takes 50 elite STFs to get a Mk XII STF Space set, then you are doing something wrong. That is the absolute minimum to get the space set and its been a long time where I got just 60 Omega Marks for an Elite STF since I always run my elite STFs during the reputation event so I get a minimum of 75 Omega Marks.

    If you are just talking about the ground set, then I misunderstood you. But you will have to do more than 50 ISEs to get a complete space set. 50 elite space STFs will get you 3000 marks, plus some extra depending on if you did it during the rep hour (which btw I think they should increase to 2 hours imo). Just getting to T5, you will need 1526 omega marks. That leaves you with 1474 once you get to T5, but let's just say you still have 1500. That can get you a complete XII ground set (with spending 27,000 dilithium). You will need to grind another 2500 omega marks (not 3000 because you get rewarded with 500 marks at T5) for a complete space set (plus ~100,000 dilithium). You will need even more if you spent said marks for the ground set first. So 50 ISEs cannot get you a complete space and ground set. You were fortunate enough to have a crate leftover from the old system. But for new players, or for old players that start a new toon, that will not be the case.

    Is this system better? Depends on how you feel about the known vs unknown, and also the costs. In the old system, it cost 0 dilithium to get the sets. Here in the new, the amount of grinding is a known quantity, but the costs are much higher. Hence, it's why there are those that prefer the old system despite the 'unknown' factor in the drops.
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  • therealfluffytherealfluffy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    I did a convert 50 marks to dilithium upgrade project on one of them. On another, it happened automatically when I logged back in a couple hours later.

    Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I converted 5 BNPs to dilithium and the reward popped as soon as that mission completed. You saved me the pain of trying to get a GM to care about it. :)
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    latinumbar wrote: »
    If you are just talking about the ground set, then I misunderstood you. But you will have to do more than 50 ISEs to get a complete space set. 50 elite space STFs will get you 3000 marks, plus some extra depending on if you did it during the rep hour (which btw I think they should increase to 2 hours imo). Just getting to T5, you will need 1526 omega marks. That leaves you with 1474 once you get to T5, but let's just say you still have 1500. That can get you a complete XII ground set (with spending 27,000 dilithium). You will need to grind another 2500 omega marks (not 3000 because you get rewarded with 500 marks at T5) for a complete space set (plus ~100,000 dilithium). You will need even more if you spent said marks for the ground set first. So 50 ISEs cannot get you a complete space and ground set. You were fortunate enough to have a crate leftover from the old system. But for new players, or for old players that start a new toon, that will not be the case.

    Is this system better? Depends on how you feel about the known vs unknown, and also the costs. In the old system, it cost 0 dilithium to get the sets. Here in the new, the amount of grinding is a known quantity, but the costs are much higher. Hence, it's why there are those that prefer the old system despite the 'unknown' factor in the drops.

    No problem about the misunderstanding. I find the space sets to be harder to justify. If you are a min-maxer, then you have to get the best equipment. However for most of us, Mk X is probably good enough. The reason for some people getting the Mk XII STF ground sets is the aesthetic appeal. Was wondering if it was worth it to get the Borg Mk XII set, but there is not much difference between the stats and no difference in look so it would just be easier to keep the Borg Mk XI space set, finish off the ground sets and be done with the system. Pretty much done with the Romulan system. Just get the odd consumable and thats it and turn in Romulan Marks for dilithium.
  • latinumbarlatinumbar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    starkaos wrote: »
    I find the space sets to be harder to justify.

    Indeed. Not sure if it's a display issue or not, but the Mark XI and Mark XII borg engines have IDENTICAL stats. So, pay 32,500 dilithium for it? I think not. But the kicker is that if you want the set bonus, you have to match the marks. No bonus for you if you get the XII deflector, but keep the XI engines.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Indeed, I do appricate Cryptic in putting that completion bonus at the end of Tier 5. And has came in handy in quickly getting the Adapted Sets out of the way. :D
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