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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
I know this has been brought up in the past, and for some ships (Terran Vessels and the Vulcan Science Ship) they've since been given their own unique displays (ISS and VNC?). I'm wondering whether we can do away with the USS title on the Breen, Tholian, Cardassian and Ferengi ships?

I know it's only a header, but lets face it, it doesn't look right, and if the registries can be changed for Terran and Vulcan ships, why not others? Obviously I wouldn't ask for a unique registry fix for every lock box (or otherwise) released ship, just maybe allow us (when naming our ships) to opt out of the preceding title, thus instead of having USS Lollipop as a ship name for one of these vessels, it would just read Lollipop?

If not than, then how about something more... universal such as FES (Federation Exchange Ship)?
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  • phyrexianherophyrexianhero Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    An interesting idea, and something now well within Cryptic's ability. A list of what is currently available is at http://www.stowiki.org/Registry.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    YES !

    I want ICC on my mirror hull instead of NCC.

    Also no Terran empire logo on my ship ? WTF, I get less love than the Klinks in STO.
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  • tatyanasergeitatyanasergei Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Slightly off-topic: What does an A.K.S. prefix even stand for? Not even the wiki tells.
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  • glassguitarglassguitar Member Posts: 427 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I know this has been brought up in the past, and for some ships (Terran Vessels and the Vulcan Science Ship) they've since been given their own unique displays (ISS and VNC?). I'm wondering whether we can do away with the USS title on the Breen, Tholian, Cardassian and Ferengi ships?

    I know it's only a header, but lets face it, it doesn't look right, and if the registries can be changed for Terran and Vulcan ships, why not others? Obviously I wouldn't ask for a unique registry fix for every lock box (or otherwise) released ship, just maybe allow us (when naming our ships) to opt out of the preceding title, thus instead of having USS Lollipop as a ship name for one of these vessels, it would just read Lollipop?

    If not than, then how about something more... universal such as FES (Federation Exchange Ship)?

    I would personally like to see the choice of I.S.S./A.K.S. unlocked for ALL ships once you have purchased a Mirror Ship or Mirror Universe costumes. From an RP standpoint it seems kind of weird than when I fly my Mirror ship I am I.S.S. and then if I changed to ARmitage I am U.S.S. On all my costumes I have the Terran Empire logo, so it would be nice to have my Armitage designated I.S.S. and RP that I killed some lousy Federation Captain and stole his ship ..... LOL.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Slightly off-topic: What does an A.K.S. prefix even stand for? Not even the wiki tells.

    My guess would be "Alliance Klingon ship".
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    When Kirk captured a Bird of Prey in The Search for Spock the ship was named the USS Bounty since it was now a Starfleet ship.

    Where do you get that idea?:confused:

    It was just named "Bounty" but it was never officially part of Starfleet.
  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    There should be some sort of gameplay cost to change your ship registry. Being denied access to Task Force Omega missions/store, main storyline missions and 'standard issue' faction gear seem appropriate.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    When Kirk captured a Bird of Prey in The Search for Spock the ship was named the USS Bounty since it was now a Starfleet ship.
    Actually, unless I'm mistaken they named the ship HMS Bounty. No USS.
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    In Naval tradition if one ship is bought or captured from another country it bears the respective countries name and registry number.

    A prime example of this is during the American War of Independence, the US captured many ships from the British, these ships were called HMS. X and subsequently renamed USS. X.
    The prefix indicates who the ship is currently owned by, in this example the British Crown and the US Government respectively.

    In that way it makes sense that any Starfleet captured or bought ships regardless of style or class would be called U.S.S. Whatever as they are now owned and operated by Starfleet.
  • admiraljt#1430 admiraljt Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tc10b wrote: »
    In Naval tradition if one ship is bought or captured from another country it bears the respective countries name and registry number.

    A prime example of this is during the American War of Independence, the US captured many ships from the British, these ships were called HMS. X and subsequently renamed USS. X.
    The prefix indicates who the ship is currently owned by, in this example the British Crown and the US Government respectively.

    In that way it makes sense that any Starfleet captured or bought ships regardless of style or class would be called U.S.S. Whatever as they are now owned and operated by Starfleet.

    This makes perfect sense, but shouldn't the registry numbers be different. If N.C.C. was for standard ships and N.X. for expirimental craft, wouldn't captured or purchased vessels get their own registry prefix. Maybe something like A.C.V. for Alien Constructed Vessel.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Hm...
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    I KNEW IT!!! The Undine replaced all our Captains with agents! That's why they have the U.S.S. CUZ ALL STARFLEET SHIPS ARE BEING COMMANDED BY UNDINE!!!!!

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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This makes perfect sense, but shouldn't the registry numbers be different. If N.C.C. was for standard ships and N.X. for expirimental craft, wouldn't captured or purchased vessels get their own registry prefix. Maybe something like A.C.V. for Alien Constructed Vessel.

    No. The registry numbers would also be the same. The N.C.C is based upon current registry markings known as Pennant Numbers. These short numbers are written on the side of ships so that they can be recognised at range by other craft.

    Following on the lines of my previous post, the Pennant Numbers (Registries) would follow the same lines.

    For example: The USN in leased an escort carrier BAVG 6 to the Royal Navy in 1942. She would later be renamed HMS Tracker with the pennant number D24.

    Long story short, Governments name the ships and assign them numbers even if the ship is foreign it will adopt the name and number that the government using it assigns.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tc10b wrote: »
    In Naval tradition if one ship is bought or captured from another country it bears the respective countries name and registry number.

    A prime example of this is during the American War of Independence, the US captured many ships from the British, these ships were called HMS. X and subsequently renamed USS. X.
    The prefix indicates who the ship is currently owned by, in this example the British Crown and the US Government respectively.

    In that way it makes sense that any Starfleet captured or bought ships regardless of style or class would be called U.S.S. Whatever as they are now owned and operated by Starfleet.
    This would now be redundant as they've allowed us to use the ISS and VSS tags.
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  • kagurazaka77kagurazaka77 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tc10b wrote: »
    No. The registry numbers would also be the same. The N.C.C is based upon current registry markings known as Pennant Numbers. These short numbers are written on the side of ships so that they can be recognised at range by other craft.
    Isn't the NCC number more of an simple inventory number (insofar as Star Trek is concerned)?

    If anything, to me it seems more like an aircraft's tail number, than an actual naval boat's pennant number, especially since visual identification is non-existent.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I always thought NCC (at least in Trek) stood for Naval Construction Contract, thus any ship that wasn't built by the Federation (Galor, D'Kora etc) shouldn't have the NCC part of registry.
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  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I've always thought the Tuffli should have access to the E.C.S. (Earth Cargo Service) prefix.
  • admiraljt#1430 admiraljt Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I always thought NCC (at least in Trek) stood for Naval Construction Contract, thus any ship that wasn't built by the Federation (Galor, D'Kora etc) shouldn't have the NCC part of registry.

    Yeah my thinking would be if you looked at a list of vessels it would be easier to differentiate specific ship types by there registry number. I do this with unit numbers for the equipment the company I work for ownes. Bull Dozers unit numbers atart with a D and Trucks start with a T. This way when I tell a driver to go and Move D-039 he knows he's looking for a Dozer.

    If some one was looking at Blips on a radar it would make sense to be able to differentiate A freighter from a carrier by the registry number transmitted on there Identifier beam.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I always thought NCC (at least in Trek) stood for Naval Construction Contract, thus any ship that wasn't built by the Federation (Galor, D'Kora etc) shouldn't have the NCC part of registry.

    Thats what I figured, NCC-whatever was the contract number the ship was built under, so a mirror ship shouldn't have an NCC number since it was built in another timeline as the ISS in it's name reflects.
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  • hfmuddhfmudd Member Posts: 881 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Uh, they have construction contracts in the mirrorverse too, you know.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I always thought NCC (at least in Trek) stood for Naval Construction Contract, thus any ship that wasn't built by the Federation (Galor, D'Kora etc) shouldn't have the NCC part of registry.
    that's a very good point. NCC numbers are more like serial numbers than names.

    Calling all starfleet ships USS makes sense because the USS indicates who operates the vessel.

    But numbering ships of alien origin NCC makes NO sense.
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  • tlamstriketlamstrike Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    If anything, to me it seems more like an aircraft's tail number, than an actual naval boat's pennant number, especially since visual identification is non-existent.

    Exactly. Matt Jefferies and Gene Roddenberry were pilots. As the story goes when Matt Jefferies was designing the Enterprise he wanted a registry for it so he took his 1935 WACO YOC's number NC-17740 as a basis. He added an extra C to the prefix then picked numbers that would be unlikely to be miss-identified (making the ship identifiable on a small TV screen is important which is why we rarely see a sister ship of the series's "hero" ship in the same episode), 3 and 8 would be out because they can look alike 6 and 9 are too alike, as is 5 and 2 which left 1,7, 4 and 0 to pick from. He went with 1701 because he wanted to indicate that it was the 17th ship class, ship #01 (he mentions this on one of his sketches).

    BTW the NC in Jefferies' tail number means: American registered aircraft (the 'N'): airline, commercial or private (The 'C'). Since Gene was going for a non-military feel in Star Trek having a registry code that keeping with a civilian aircraft makes sense, even if only pilots like Matt and Gene would notice it.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yeah that's what Okuda put down as the origin in the version of the Star Trek encyclopedia I have.
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  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    In more "modern" naval history, it's more common for a captured or interned ship to bear the registration of the capturing nation.

    Take the Japanese and German ships "captured" by the US navy at the end of WWII.

    Prinz Eugen, despite being a German ship, once WWII was over, was commissioned into the US navy as "unclassified miscellaneous vessel IX-300; USS Prinz Eugen".

    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/094630007.jpg

    Interned German ship, flying an American flag, using a US Navy registry.

    I think the USS should stay, as long as it's a Starfleet ship (Don't fool yourself. It is a Starfleet ship under command of a Starfleet officer), but the registry should change to represent a "miscellaneous" or "auxiliary" ship. Could even use the US designation of IX.
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    tlamstrike wrote: »
    Exactly. Matt Jefferies and Gene Roddenberry were pilots. As the story goes when Matt Jefferies was designing the Enterprise he wanted a registry for it so he took his 1935 WACO YOC's number NC-17740 as a basis. He added an extra C to the prefix then picked numbers that would be unlikely to be miss-identified (making the ship identifiable on a small TV screen is important which is why we rarely see a sister ship of the series's "hero" ship in the same episode), 3 and 8 would be out because they can look alike 6 and 9 are too alike, as is 5 and 2 which left 1,7, 4 and 0 to pick from. He went with 1701 because he wanted to indicate that it was the 17th ship class, ship #01 (he mentions this on one of his sketches).

    BTW the NC in Jefferies' tail number means: American registered aircraft (the 'N'): airline, commercial or private (The 'C'). Since Gene was going for a non-military feel in Star Trek having a registry code that keeping with a civilian aircraft makes sense, even if only pilots like Matt and Gene would notice it.

    Actually, he didn't get the airplane until a year after TOS ended. This exact same topic is going on in TrekBBS. http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=187942

    Anyways, I am like to think that the NCC is chronological and are hull numbers assigned when the ship is ordered by Starfleet similar to what the US Navy does.

    Alien vessels that are captured or integrated would get their own special hull code like NAC.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Thats what I figured, NCC-whatever was the contract number the ship was built under, so a mirror ship shouldn't have an NCC number since it was built in another timeline as the ISS in it's name reflects.
    hfmudd wrote: »
    Uh, they have construction contracts in the mirrorverse too, you know.
    I guess this depends on what the N means. If it's Naval then it would still apply in the Mirror Universe.

    The ISS obviously stands for Imperial Star Ship, whereas USS is... United Star Ship? Would I be alone in thinking a Federation registry should be FSS? Federation Star Ship sounds a whole lot better than United Star Ship.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I guess this depends on what the N means. If it's Naval then it would still apply in the Mirror Universe.

    The ISS obviously stands for Imperial Star Ship, whereas USS is... United Star Ship? Would I be alone in thinking a Federation registry should be FSS? Federation Star Ship sounds a whole lot better than United Star Ship.

    I had read in wiki that the ICC prefix was used in one ep of ENT on a mirror ship reg number, figured it meant 'Imperial Construction Contract'.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    I guess this depends on what the N means. If it's Naval then it would still apply in the Mirror Universe.

    The ISS obviously stands for Imperial Star Ship, whereas USS is... United Star Ship? Would I be alone in thinking a Federation registry should be FSS? Federation Star Ship sounds a whole lot better than United Star Ship.

    For USS, it has been United Star Ship and United Space Ship in TOS. I kinda of think that the U stands for United Federation of Planets Star Ship, but shortened to United Star Ship based on tradition when the vessel's commanders would go the short cut rather say the entire thing.
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