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wcanyon2012
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Two cases in point:
- Clusters, like Delta Volanis. The diplomatic mission doesn't say where Delta Volanis is. I can't search the map. So I have to go to the wiki and look up Delta Volanis.
- Quark's bar. Got a mission to talk to Barret in Quark's. Mission text does not tell me where Quarks is. Map in game does not either. On the map for DS9 there's a large black area in the middle -- that's Quarks. How would I have known that from the map? I wouldn't.
This is a useful map: http://www.stowiki.org/File:Deep_Space_9_Map.png, devs, you could learn a thing or two.
In short:
- add a search feature to the star map
- add landmarks to the station maps and make them searchable as well
- Clusters, like Delta Volanis. The diplomatic mission doesn't say where Delta Volanis is. I can't search the map. So I have to go to the wiki and look up Delta Volanis.
- Quark's bar. Got a mission to talk to Barret in Quark's. Mission text does not tell me where Quarks is. Map in game does not either. On the map for DS9 there's a large black area in the middle -- that's Quarks. How would I have known that from the map? I wouldn't.
This is a useful map: http://www.stowiki.org/File:Deep_Space_9_Map.png, devs, you could learn a thing or two.
In short:
- add a search feature to the star map
- add landmarks to the station maps and make them searchable as well
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'The Vault' mission text,
The tooltip doesn't tell you that he's on starbase 39, Psi Velorum sector, nor that SB39 is Sierra system.
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So much of this. Every mission should have a hyperlink that opens the map, centered on the system in question.
...gamers are really completely dependent these days. It's amazing, especially in an mmo like STO, which has one of the smallest environments out there. It takes about 15 seconds and a small tad of common sense to find both Delta Volanis and Quarks.
I want to agree with this.
Granted though, the three options in the map tab are one too many in my opinion. If I could scale it back it would be the list that goes the way of the Do Do. Maybe that's because I'm a visual kind of person. But I can see how an alphabetical list would make navigating to a system within a sector "faster".
As for Delta Volanis, it is labeled on the map, big letters right next to Sirius SB, and if you do the Explore Strange New Worlds mission that introduces you to the Exploration clusters it tells you where to find it on the map. Not to mention that if you fly west from Sol you are bound to hit it eventually.
It's an MMO, part of the fun is finding out where things are by yourself. By the way, all locations on the sector space maps appear in the list view on the map screen.
I have a tricorder, I know how to use it and I have never had a problem finding things.
There is nothing in the game that is impossible to find, you just have to actually look.
Huh imagine that, Star Trek having anything to do with exploration.
Last time they did that, we ended up with a TOS fake, cartoonish excuse for lousy made directional signs.
I have had the odd mission where a specific star system location isn't properly given in the mission description, and that can be a problem. Skimming the big galaxy map for clusters is no big deal, since they're basically just mini sectors, but searching for an individual star when you don't even know which sector block it's in is a right PITA.
I wouldn't ask for any fancy hyperlinks or map markers or anything like that though. Just that whoever's writing the mission (official or Foundry) consistently remember to include the standard "in the X sector of Y sector block" in the mission tab briefing text.
i think people who need somebody to hold their hand and be led to where every little thing is in the game should go back to consoles and leave mmos alone. quarks is on ds9 and the missions there are captain level. if you have made it to captain level and still dont know how to use the map or read directions in the quest text putting away the game and going back to your playstation would be the best bet.
thats why zone chat is full of these people looking for this that or the other. too many people playing that cant be bothered to read quest text or tooltips or just press M for the map. there are a large number of people who have leveled through this game and are some amazing end game players who dont run to the wiki for every mission.
learn to play the game experience the game and complete the quests. the point is to enjoy the game not just complete the quests as fast as possible. quests are puzzles ment to teach you things you need to know. you will be better off in end game if you actually know how to do things and not rely on information on a site somewhere that is most likely outdated or wrong.
Editing wikis is a sure sign of being a total geek
Im not Sheldon
First off every thing you need to know is in a place called logs. If you push (L) it brings it up and it says where everything is when you surcharge for the name. Man I would love to see you players play marrowind where there is no map markers or anything only directions you need to follow. It's like a GPS also if you go to the maps section (M) you can go to a sector section and it tells you where all the sectors are located. Cryptic please do not change anything by spoon feeding these people.
Complaining??
I was GLOATING
Wikipedia Wikileaks Wikis in general
are a BAD thing
And what's even more lovely is the fact it's blatantly vulgar in an MMO based on intellectualism and self-initiative with a theme on discovery and exploration.
People in STO are spoiled compared to older MMO's where it was sink-or-swim. And honestly, I yearn for those days where the wheat was separated from the chaff based on what an individual was able to figure out on their own (at least to a reasonable extent).
We're supposed to be explorers, but we depend on others to figure out our problems for us. We refuse to undertand, we refuse to know -- we depend on others like lost children and when those others fail us, as it is inherent to humanity... we blame them instead of ourselves for not holding the answers. We should be blaming ourselves for allowing us to fall into the trap of dependancy on others.
We blame everyone else but ourselves. And I am guilty of it too.
Grab the reigns of destiny and discover things on your own. It will take longer, but you will gain much by doing so. Whether it's internal or external. You will certainly have gained more than simply the knowledge and information you seek.
Ask people if you need directions on a ground map
But Wikis (of any type) are for people without the ability to read books or do their own thinking
Wikipedia has been used to write thesis level papers and to cheat on tests
its now Automatic failure in some accademic circumstances to quote a Wiki
in internet debate there are three ways to automatically lose
1 compare someone to the TRIBBLE
2 quote a Wiki for any reason
3 Quote Dr Dawkins OR any Theologian
jokes aside, anybody who copies or reads wiki articles without atlest cross checking with one or 2 other articles is a fool.
That doesn't mean wikis in general are wrong, they may be wrong in some cases...but so are books, or other articles or whatever.
Most wiki articles are taken from credible sources and double checked...some are not, that will never change...it is up to the reader to evaluate what is written.
i still value wikis for it's speed and not for it's accuracy...and thats what they are intended for. You will never know everything about a subject via a wiki link...but you get the idea, and you get it faster than any library or book. Last but not least you have access to it from everywhere.
of course for you number 2 is important, since each and every statement you made on this forum (probably all others you are on too) can be disproved by quoting a wiki article. Only natural that you disregard that kind of source.
For me a debate is lost for one side, when they run out of facts or their arguments are disproven. Points one and two depend on the subject, or what the argument/reason for that comparison is.
Wikis are a incredible tool to compile information and display it. Often done by people who love what there doing. But one should be careful as always. Do not attack a Wiki for what it is but realise what it is. And if you can improve on them.
The biggest difference is that most well written Wikis do make it clear that there are a compilation of information written by the users. There try to be factual but also know there might be errors. They cross-reference there work and avoid personal opinions. Sometimes there are errors and a lot of times not. But is always a gowning process.
The Star Trek Online Wiki is a good aid but not always accurate. It can reduce the amount of time it take test things but one need to aware there might be errors and that there are errors in the Wiki. It is not complete but its a good first step if one has a question. I use it fairly frequently but also ask people and experiment my self. I tend not to experiment when it means I need to put down resource to so and therefore refer to others experiences about the subject matter before I proceed. And if one do discover that the Wiki is wrong or incomplete after doing once own research then is time to improve on it. Personally I must admit I am a bit lazy to document my own discoveries. But I hope I will get better at it in the future.
I regularly consult Wiki's for general information and a great deal of it is accurate, for anything important I check multiple sources of course.
Star Trek Wiki is useful but in many areas it's overdue for updates as the game is changing as it evolves, I'm actually contemplating making a few additions.
That's not the issue here, nobody should need to consult wiki to play the game, but in order to do that, they have to actually play the game, investigate things, fully read mission details, actually use the various maps and tools available, fly around places just for the exploration value, explore ground maps, not just sit on their hands complaining expecting to be spoon fed the game.
Wiki quoting means you don't have an argument