I tried into the hive on normal mode.ground mission.
This mission is impossible to do.
Devs this is no fun if a mission can not be done, please make them alot easier to do.
I bet theres not many who do these borg missions,as they are far to difficult to do.
there is this thing called "challenge" some actually enjoy a "challenge"
while it is hard, certainly harder than all the other stfs, it is far from impossible. period. The game is far too easy anyway.
get advice on tactics and gear necessary to do it, get a good grp and you will succeed, a PUG won't.
It is possible on Normal and Elite, I've managed both, however it seems very buggy and more often than not the Queen will take a swan dive off the side and be untargetable, forcing you to reset the encounter by dying, which after a while gets particularly annoying, especially when you're on the final phase.
Team missions are moly as differcult as the people playing with you make it. Hive is tough but a good team, well equipped and working together can beat itt. Pls no more nerds to stf's
if it is too hard or even impossible for you or other people that is one thing, it is certainly doable for people who invest time and brainpower into it.
It is too hard for farming your omega marks, no doubt...but it is NOT impossible hard. It is a mission i would advice to never PUG, but with a grp of capable people that spend some time into informing themselves about tactics and getting the equipment needed, it is just another stf.
knowledge and experiance is the key to this stf. If you do not want to involve yourself that deep into this game you shouldn't expect to clear all endgame content, since it is not made for all players, only for those with enough dedication and time for it.
The mission itself is not even necessary to get to the highend equipment, so no real need for a nerf hammer.
I tried into the hive on normal mode.ground mission.
This mission is impossible to do.
Devs this is no fun if a mission can not be done, please make them alot easier to do.
I bet theres not many who do these borg missions,as they are far to difficult to do.
I'm gonna give advice, though I haven't tried Into the Hive Ground myself yet.
Go to Orellius Sector, Defera Invasion Zone and spend a few days there.
Do all missions (which all are repeatable) and team up with others when it gets too hard solo.
The missions in the Invasion Zone are divided into Easy, Medium and Hard, stay and fight until you soloed atleast all the Easy ones. There are also a bunch of Zone Wide missions there which you should take before heading out to fight (a couple of them are bugged and can't be finished).
When you get tired or about to give up, go to sector space and do all the Aid the Deferi daily missions and then head back to the Invasion Zone.
Doing all this would make you better at fighting the Borg I think and it will get you some nice rewards and weapons. Hopefully it will also make it alot easier for you to do Into the Hive Ground
Good luck and remember, Resistance is hilarious! :P
One thread says it's hard, another says easy....MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!!:D
Too easy is talking about space. Too hard is talking about ground. The difference is very true and the opposite of all the rest of the game.
I can run on elite ground combat starting at level 5-ish all the way to 50 no trouble. Even my best 50 has difficulty with normal space combat just on hard, and I can't solo elite missions. With the borg, this is mostly inverted.
In Elite space combat pugs do just fine (except on a few STFs where people act dumb then bail out), but even normal ground fail more than 80% of the time without a premade team who knows the mission inside and out.
It is kind of weird really. But I have fun so *shrugs*
I almost never touch ground STF's any more. I dont like ground combat period. The damage you take is more on a cover shooter level without cover shooting mechanics. I have elite level fleet gear and i STILL get torched by borg within two or three shots. THAT isnt fun THAT isnt proper game mechanics.
Ground Needs a total re balancing. It really does. Personal shields shouldn't be instawiped i dont care what the mob is. A person shouldnt need to put so many points in ground he detracts from a proper space build.
My humble advice : get good at playing the other STF ground missions first .
Once you do that give Into the Hive another shot .
Into the Hive is a cut above the rest in terms of difficulty (which is used to hide the fact that it is a really-really short mission w/very few new assets thrown in , and not exactly a stretch in Dev the imagination in terms of development) .
If they nerf it , both ground & space will become the next Infected Space , in terms of fly-through-the-mission-fast .
I wouldn't be surprised if it was nerfed at some point. We can't possibly allow the Kirks to be faced with a challenge that they couldn't heroically shoot their way out of with their laughable, ineffective builds. . .they might complain, and start flinging insults at players who actually have skill and competence, and often work with the devs to keep things running smoothly.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I have to say that the ground part is rather creative. Not necessarily awesome, but fun.
Also, something I had to learn the hard way, never go in a stf instance without a pulsewave, sniper rifle or melee weapon. It's best to carry them at all times.
I don't always have pulse or sniper, but I always have a melee weapon... as my secondary weapon. that way I can go "adapt to this" and hack a borg apart simply by pushing z.
I wish you would get some of the rewards reaching some points in the game. .. then if someone leaves before the end it wouldn't be a total waist of time.
Hard? Heck ya but all fun!!! The other STF's are easy! Hive aint KAGE people;) Im full Adapted Maco and had a team that was at least full op Maco with at least one adapted like me. It took us almost a hour with the queen. 3 wipes. Know what I LOVED IT!!!
Keep in mind people used to say Infected ground was too hard and Cure Ground I heard people attack all the time. Early on Cure ground was almost unplayable. Just too hard for most. Finally people figured it out.
Hive is the same. There is a way to beat it if you have a good team and you all know what you are doing. Stay in corners, support and res you team. Sniper borg. Run fast corner to corner. Get her attacking one corner while others shoot from other corner. Once everyone gets used too it then it will be as easy as the others. "BTW" we got the op
Now the main problem with HIVE is no one wants to do it. With the Rep system it has killed a lot of STF's No weapon drop so why do the hard STF's?? Just stick with infected space and KAGE. Unless you need the op for uniform unlock. But hive gives you no extra uniform unlock for the op so there is no real reason that you need it. That is why I dislike the rep system. They need to make a reason to do hive as well as the other STF's again.
Whilst I agree that the balancing on these STFs is way out of whack and that the shields are largely superfluous, they do at least give you a split second to react to what's happening and either hit a shield battery or the MACO's built-in shield capacitor to stop yourself getting wiped in the next volley.
A good team knows to target the Heavies and the Elites first and a team with a good melee player benefits from those Borg being locked down in melee combat making the rest of the drones relatively easy.
Into The Hive is definitely a challenge compared to IGE which was previously the toughest of the ground STFs - the only problem being that IGE's challenges came from the necessity for teamwork, the environments and the grouping of the Borg - Hive gets its challenge merely from having a stupidly tough boss (and sub-boss) and multiple waves of drones.
I've finished Hive ground a few times now and it's my least favourite of all the ground maps simply because it's dull and doesn't do anything particularly clever or interesting.
Once simple tip when fighting the Borg though: never turn your back on them - it's usually the flank shots that kill you
I found normal to be relatively easy as a Fab Eng. We got wiped at least once on the boss level, but it wasn't too hard. And this was me with random bits of junk for gear(and a Nano-pulse batleth).
there is this thing called "challenge" some actually enjoy a "challenge"
while it is hard, certainly harder than all the other stfs, it is far from impossible. period. The game is far too easy anyway.
get advice on tactics and gear necessary to do it, get a good grp and you will succeed, a PUG won't.
This game really could use more difficult content. It is frustrating at first to get stomped after being able to roll through the rest of the game fairly easily. However, it also gets very boring being able to roll through the game fairly easily.
The OPs criticism is like saying the No Win scenario is too difficult and should be nerfed. There is plenty of content that is easy to do if that is what you are looking for. If you are one of those players that wants to beat everything, then figure out a way to beat it.
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while it is hard, certainly harder than all the other stfs, it is far from impossible. period. The game is far too easy anyway.
get advice on tactics and gear necessary to do it, get a good grp and you will succeed, a PUG won't.
Needs fixing.
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It is too hard for farming your omega marks, no doubt...but it is NOT impossible hard. It is a mission i would advice to never PUG, but with a grp of capable people that spend some time into informing themselves about tactics and getting the equipment needed, it is just another stf.
knowledge and experiance is the key to this stf. If you do not want to involve yourself that deep into this game you shouldn't expect to clear all endgame content, since it is not made for all players, only for those with enough dedication and time for it.
The mission itself is not even necessary to get to the highend equipment, so no real need for a nerf hammer.
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I've tried it, it's not easy but far from impossible.
My character Tsin'xing
I'm gonna give advice, though I haven't tried Into the Hive Ground myself yet.
Go to Orellius Sector, Defera Invasion Zone and spend a few days there.
Do all missions (which all are repeatable) and team up with others when it gets too hard solo.
The missions in the Invasion Zone are divided into Easy, Medium and Hard, stay and fight until you soloed atleast all the Easy ones. There are also a bunch of Zone Wide missions there which you should take before heading out to fight (a couple of them are bugged and can't be finished).
When you get tired or about to give up, go to sector space and do all the Aid the Deferi daily missions and then head back to the Invasion Zone.
Doing all this would make you better at fighting the Borg I think and it will get you some nice rewards and weapons. Hopefully it will also make it alot easier for you to do Into the Hive Ground
Good luck and remember,
Resistance is hilarious! :P
Too easy is talking about space. Too hard is talking about ground. The difference is very true and the opposite of all the rest of the game.
I can run on elite ground combat starting at level 5-ish all the way to 50 no trouble. Even my best 50 has difficulty with normal space combat just on hard, and I can't solo elite missions. With the borg, this is mostly inverted.
In Elite space combat pugs do just fine (except on a few STFs where people act dumb then bail out), but even normal ground fail more than 80% of the time without a premade team who knows the mission inside and out.
It is kind of weird really. But I have fun so *shrugs*
Ground Needs a total re balancing. It really does. Personal shields shouldn't be instawiped i dont care what the mob is. A person shouldnt need to put so many points in ground he detracts from a proper space build.
Well since thousands of sucessful runs have been made since the mission has been released on Tribble, your argument is flawed.
Once you do that give Into the Hive another shot .
Into the Hive is a cut above the rest in terms of difficulty (which is used to hide the fact that it is a really-really short mission w/very few new assets thrown in , and not exactly a stretch in Dev the imagination in terms of development) .
If they nerf it , both ground & space will become the next Infected Space , in terms of fly-through-the-mission-fast .
I don't always have pulse or sniper, but I always have a melee weapon... as my secondary weapon. that way I can go "adapt to this" and hack a borg apart simply by pushing z.
My character Tsin'xing
Keep in mind people used to say Infected ground was too hard and Cure Ground I heard people attack all the time. Early on Cure ground was almost unplayable. Just too hard for most. Finally people figured it out.
Hive is the same. There is a way to beat it if you have a good team and you all know what you are doing. Stay in corners, support and res you team. Sniper borg. Run fast corner to corner. Get her attacking one corner while others shoot from other corner. Once everyone gets used too it then it will be as easy as the others. "BTW" we got the op
Now the main problem with HIVE is no one wants to do it. With the Rep system it has killed a lot of STF's No weapon drop so why do the hard STF's?? Just stick with infected space and KAGE. Unless you need the op for uniform unlock. But hive gives you no extra uniform unlock for the op so there is no real reason that you need it. That is why I dislike the rep system. They need to make a reason to do hive as well as the other STF's again.
A good team knows to target the Heavies and the Elites first and a team with a good melee player benefits from those Borg being locked down in melee combat making the rest of the drones relatively easy.
Into The Hive is definitely a challenge compared to IGE which was previously the toughest of the ground STFs - the only problem being that IGE's challenges came from the necessity for teamwork, the environments and the grouping of the Borg - Hive gets its challenge merely from having a stupidly tough boss (and sub-boss) and multiple waves of drones.
I've finished Hive ground a few times now and it's my least favourite of all the ground maps simply because it's dull and doesn't do anything particularly clever or interesting.
Once simple tip when fighting the Borg though: never turn your back on them - it's usually the flank shots that kill you
My character Tsin'xing
This game really could use more difficult content. It is frustrating at first to get stomped after being able to roll through the rest of the game fairly easily. However, it also gets very boring being able to roll through the game fairly easily.
The OPs criticism is like saying the No Win scenario is too difficult and should be nerfed. There is plenty of content that is easy to do if that is what you are looking for. If you are one of those players that wants to beat everything, then figure out a way to beat it.