Don't count on it. New Romulus Epohh tagging takes (at best) 2 days (I think - could be longer) to get a pup but more likely (without crits) 5 - longer assuming you don't get all the Tags you need each day for a research assignment. Then you have to grow it for 3 days to get the maximum amount of Rom Marks (400) - so say typically 8 days for an Elder.
Winter Wonderland Epohhs only take a day to turn 6 tags directly into a pup and then 3(?) days to grow to Elder - that's half the time. Plus, as soon as you've got one pup you can turn in Tags to get another whilst you're evolving the first one.
If they let me turn these critters in for Rom Marks, I'd have tens - maybe hundreds of thousands of marks by the end of the Winter event - and Marks=Dilithium.
I agree the poster above me. We gain tags way too fast for a nice simple Pet -> Marks conversion. If they do add into the game, it probably be a DOFF assignment with a very LONG completion time and an equally long cooldown timer too. On the order of 3-5 days.
I'd hold onto them, just in case a way to exchange them for say, latinum, is introduced later. Once the event has gone on for a few weeks, I'm sure so many people will be wanting things to do with spare winter epohhs that it will at least cross some devs' minds.
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Darn, now I'm going to have 6 winter Epohhs in need of slaughtering. What a waste.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Combine 10 winter epohh elders into 1 epic winter epohh combat pet of doom
Mmm, I would think that adding any further reward(s) for winter epohhs would basically be then rewarding those who have been using the exploit to farm massive amounts of tags over the last week.
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
Mmm, I would think that adding any further reward(s) for winter epohhs would basically be then rewarding those who have been using the exploit to farm massive amounts of tags over the last week.
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
You are off course referring to the ledge jump, indeed, everyone seems to use it now, I had maybe 2 PvP races before everyone started using it.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes.
I mean, jeez, you guys have Tribble dishes, after all!
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Mmm, I would think that adding any further reward(s) for winter epohhs would basically be then rewarding those who have been using the exploit to farm massive amounts of tags over the last week.
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
And what about the others that, despite the amount of people knowingly using the "coding error" in their favor, they've been racing according to the initially intended route and have been playing over and over to get the tags 3 by 3 or 2 by 2? hands of blue xD
It seems to me that Cryptic following the logic of Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru. Basically, anyone that can take advantage of an exploit or cheat should be rewarded and lauded for their ingenuity.
Find a bug that gives you significant advantage over the intended gameplay? You'll just get that much extra reward in the end.
That's why Cryptic has said they won't be punishing anyone for this exploit, it seems to be their policy that exploits are rewarded if you can find them. That's Star Trek lore: if you can cheat your way to advantage, you profit.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Thanks for the heads up, Brandon, I shall hold on to them for now then!
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Brandon,
Just a suggestion, how about allowing the extras to be turned into fleet marks? That would help some of the small fleets get the fleet marks they need to finish off their projects. And since it is a limited time event with built-in throttles, it won't seriously perturb the economy like the console clickies did. Plus, no way to turn them into dil, which is another advantage.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes...
Being able to turn them in to a small amount of Marks would be nice (proportionally less than a regular epohh, considering how much easier it is to get these one, would be understandable), or even GPL, credits, or how about (uncommon) Holiday Collectibles? More than anything, I wish STO would turn unlocked pets into a UI feature, instead of an inventory and power tray-hogging item. Something like how Action Figures are used in CO would be fantastic for all my space/ground pets.
And what about the others that, despite the amount of people knowingly using the "coding error" in their favor, they've been racing according to the initially intended route and have been playing over and over to get the tags 3 by 3 or 2 by 2?
Do they have to be punished as well?
1) Yes, punish them all... Buckwheats for everybody!(Just kidding)
And what about the others that, despite the amount of people knowingly using the "coding error" in their favor, they've been racing according to the initially intended route and have been playing over and over to get the tags 3 by 3 or 2 by 2? hands of blue xD
Do they have to be punished as well?
Characters can only research one pup a day, as far as I know. I've tried starting multiple assignments and it didn't work for me. So exploiters' only advantage is that they had to run the race less times over several days. Doesn't seem worth not rewarding epohh elders to me.
Take a look at my Foundry missions! Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
Mmm, I would think that adding any further reward(s) for winter epohhs would basically be then rewarding those who have been using the exploit to farm massive amounts of tags over the last week.
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
This would be true except that the current rules implemented by the game are the same for everyone. No one has an advantage over anyone else.
Personaly I think the exploit that will be opened up when this is fixed in the next patch will be worse. At that time we will be able to disqualify other people racing against us with a well timed snow ball and TRIBBLE them out of even the small amount of tags given for participating.
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet We're considering what else they might be used for. If there is something implemented, we'll mention it in patch notes.
"Giftwrapping" perhaps?
I've got some friends who are not able to play during this month whom I'd like to give these pets if possible. How about a limited time doff mission that would allow us to create a "crate" with an epohh that is tradeable, yet available only for a couple of days with a long cooldown (so that people won't abuse it and won't sell everything they've got on the exchange)?
This is a time of giving, so why not motivate people to gift, rather than sell? There's certainly some room here for this, even if this would mean creating a single crate that rewards a completely random breed of Epohh, regardless of which Epohh we've exchanged it for.
Mmm, I would think that adding any further reward(s) for winter epohhs would basically be then rewarding those who have been using the exploit to farm massive amounts of tags over the last week.
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
You can use a maximum of 6 tags per day. Farming them is mostly useless, as you can only sell the excess for a few GPL (and GPL is mostly useless in itself).
You can use a maximum of 6 tags per day. Farming them is mostly useless, as you can only sell the excess for a few GPL (and GPL is mostly useless in itself).
Unless they add another reward for them, as Branflakes suggested.
A true Klingon Warrior would do it in a single heartbeat.
My Klingon Character is going to take them back to the local tanner and leather workshop where he will trade their skins in to make his beloved the most luxurious winter fur coat. As a bonus his pet targs will feast on nothing but Epohh carcasses and sweatmeats for the duration of Peldor
I've got 4 of them now, still trying for the one I want. I don't want to feed the poor little things into the recycler but seeing as they can't be traded or turned into anything useful, I can't justify keeping them.
It would be nice to have a final doff assignment to evolve our unwanted holiday epohhs into a bag full of holiday commodities. Call it "Find a home for elder [type] epohh", and it rewards a few of those pesky green-quality items. It does take 3 days to get one, after all.
Don't count on it. New Romulus Epohh tagging takes (at best) 2 days (I think - could be longer) to get a pup but more likely (without crits) 5 - longer assuming you don't get all the Tags you need each day for a research assignment. Then you have to grow it for 3 days to get the maximum amount of Rom Marks (400) - so say typically 8 days for an Elder.
Winter Wonderland Epohhs only take a day to turn 6 tags directly into a pup and then 3(?) days to grow to Elder - that's half the time. Plus, as soon as you've got one pup you can turn in Tags to get another whilst you're evolving the first one.
If they let me turn these critters in for Rom Marks, I'd have tens - maybe hundreds of thousands of marks by the end of the Winter event - and Marks=Dilithium.
If you look at details of the daily Epohh tagging mission when taking it from the contact on New Romulus, you will see the most tags you can get in a day is 4.
4 tags are required for the doff assignment to get a single Epohh research. 5 research are needed to do the doff assignment to get an Epohh pup and this takes a day to complete. You're looking at 6 days just to get the pup (5 days turning in tags and 1 day turning in the research) and about another 3 days to fully evolve it. That's a total of around 9 days just to turn it in for 400 Romulan Marks, and doing things in the PVE queue like Mine Trap, the sector patrol daily, the satellite scan daily, and all the various dailies on New Romulus, you can get a lot more than 400 Romulan Marks in the amount of time it takes to obtain a fully evolved Epohh and trade it in. -This is excluding gaining more research on critical success of the doff assignment and excludes getting a critical on 1 of the assignments to evolve your Epohh and having it turned into a special color.-
4 tags are required for the doff assignment to get a single Epohh research. 5 research are needed to do the doff assignment to get an Epohh pup and this takes a day to complete. You're looking at 6 days just to get the pup (5 days turning in tags and 1 day turning in the research) and about another 3 days to fully evolve it. That's a total of around 9 days just to turn it in for 400 Romulan Marks, and doing things in the PVE queue like Mine Trap, the sector patrol daily, the satellite scan daily, and all the various dailies on New Romulus, you can get a lot more than 400 Romulan Marks in the amount of time it takes to obtain a fully evolved Epohh and trade it in. -This is excluding gaining more research on critical success of the doff assignment and excludes getting a critical on 1 of the assignments to evolve your Epohh and having it turned into a special color.-
No, its 8 days (maximum). You don't turn in epohh research, you use it to buy a pup from a store. You can then immediately begin to raise it.
And its only 8 days for the first run. Additional runs will only take an extra 5 days max, since you can continue picking up tags and turning them in for research while raising your pup.
And sure, PvE missions can get you Romulan marks faster, but they're more work. Epohh raising is an alternative for people who have less time to play, or people who don't like fighting tholians/vampires or playing errand boy on New Romulus.
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Winter epohhs effectively only take 1 day to get (compared to 2-5 days for regular epohhs). Like said, the time to raise them is irrelevant since you can have another pup in the works at the same time. As such, it wouldn't be fair to trade them for 400 RM like normal epohhs. 100 would be fair, though.
I'll be a bit disappointed if they don't come up with a more interesting reward, though.
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Winter Wonderland Epohhs only take a day to turn 6 tags directly into a pup and then 3(?) days to grow to Elder - that's half the time. Plus, as soon as you've got one pup you can turn in Tags to get another whilst you're evolving the first one.
If they let me turn these critters in for Rom Marks, I'd have tens - maybe hundreds of thousands of marks by the end of the Winter event - and Marks=Dilithium.
Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Don't toss them out the airlock just yet
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Combine 10 winter epohh elders into 1 epic winter epohh combat pet of doom
Hardly seems fair to reward that sort of behavior, personally.
You are off course referring to the ledge jump, indeed, everyone seems to use it now, I had maybe 2 PvP races before everyone started using it.
Then I concluded, go with the flow.
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I mean, jeez, you guys have Tribble dishes, after all!
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And what about the others that, despite the amount of people knowingly using the "coding error" in their favor, they've been racing according to the initially intended route and have been playing over and over to get the tags 3 by 3 or 2 by 2? hands of blue xD
Do they have to be punished as well?
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Find a bug that gives you significant advantage over the intended gameplay? You'll just get that much extra reward in the end.
That's why Cryptic has said they won't be punishing anyone for this exploit, it seems to be their policy that exploits are rewarded if you can find them. That's Star Trek lore: if you can cheat your way to advantage, you profit.
Thanks for the heads up, Brandon, I shall hold on to them for now then!
Just a suggestion, how about allowing the extras to be turned into fleet marks? That would help some of the small fleets get the fleet marks they need to finish off their projects. And since it is a limited time event with built-in throttles, it won't seriously perturb the economy like the console clickies did. Plus, no way to turn them into dil, which is another advantage.
1) Yes, punish them all... Buckwheats for everybody! (Just kidding)
2) LOL @hands of blue
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Characters can only research one pup a day, as far as I know. I've tried starting multiple assignments and it didn't work for me. So exploiters' only advantage is that they had to run the race less times over several days. Doesn't seem worth not rewarding epohh elders to me.
Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This would be true except that the current rules implemented by the game are the same for everyone. No one has an advantage over anyone else.
Personaly I think the exploit that will be opened up when this is fixed in the next patch will be worse. At that time we will be able to disqualify other people racing against us with a well timed snow ball and TRIBBLE them out of even the small amount of tags given for participating.
I've got some friends who are not able to play during this month whom I'd like to give these pets if possible. How about a limited time doff mission that would allow us to create a "crate" with an epohh that is tradeable, yet available only for a couple of days with a long cooldown (so that people won't abuse it and won't sell everything they've got on the exchange)?
This is a time of giving, so why not motivate people to gift, rather than sell? There's certainly some room here for this, even if this would mean creating a single crate that rewards a completely random breed of Epohh, regardless of which Epohh we've exchanged it for.
Well... this or romulan marks ;p
Unless they add another reward for them, as Branflakes suggested.
But it would make them more valuable. They could potentially give another reward for the tags themselves too.
My Klingon Character is going to take them back to the local tanner and leather workshop where he will trade their skins in to make his beloved the most luxurious winter fur coat. As a bonus his pet targs will feast on nothing but Epohh carcasses and sweatmeats for the duration of Peldor
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It would be nice to have a final doff assignment to evolve our unwanted holiday epohhs into a bag full of holiday commodities. Call it "Find a home for elder [type] epohh", and it rewards a few of those pesky green-quality items. It does take 3 days to get one, after all.
Or how about an Epohh nursery in the Embassy? We donate the epohhs (permanent) and they'll show up running around the place like they own it.
If you look at details of the daily Epohh tagging mission when taking it from the contact on New Romulus, you will see the most tags you can get in a day is 4.
4 tags are required for the doff assignment to get a single Epohh research. 5 research are needed to do the doff assignment to get an Epohh pup and this takes a day to complete. You're looking at 6 days just to get the pup (5 days turning in tags and 1 day turning in the research) and about another 3 days to fully evolve it. That's a total of around 9 days just to turn it in for 400 Romulan Marks, and doing things in the PVE queue like Mine Trap, the sector patrol daily, the satellite scan daily, and all the various dailies on New Romulus, you can get a lot more than 400 Romulan Marks in the amount of time it takes to obtain a fully evolved Epohh and trade it in. -This is excluding gaining more research on critical success of the doff assignment and excludes getting a critical on 1 of the assignments to evolve your Epohh and having it turned into a special color.-
And its only 8 days for the first run. Additional runs will only take an extra 5 days max, since you can continue picking up tags and turning them in for research while raising your pup.
And sure, PvE missions can get you Romulan marks faster, but they're more work. Epohh raising is an alternative for people who have less time to play, or people who don't like fighting tholians/vampires or playing errand boy on New Romulus.
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On topic:
Winter epohhs effectively only take 1 day to get (compared to 2-5 days for regular epohhs). Like said, the time to raise them is irrelevant since you can have another pup in the works at the same time. As such, it wouldn't be fair to trade them for 400 RM like normal epohhs. 100 would be fair, though.
I'll be a bit disappointed if they don't come up with a more interesting reward, though.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=