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weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Kudos to Cryptic for making this available for free to everyone participating in the Winter Event - it looks like a great ship and I'm looking forward to acquiring at least two of them for my KDF characters so bravo!

However, this begs the question:

When the Jem'hadar ship was introduced via lockboxes instead of the C-Store it was justified by Cryptic telling us that CBS mandated that the only way exotic non-faction ships would be allowed in the game is in small numbers.

Obviously this policy has changed since everyone currently playing this game can get the Breen ship if they run the race for 25 days - and make no mistake, there are going to be a lot of these ships sitting outside ESD and Qo'noS.

So really, it's time the Jemmie, the Galor and all those other lockbox ships were put in the C-Store since there's no longer any credible excuse not to.

Make brand new ships and put them in lockboxes instead.
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  • outlaw51825outlaw51825 Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Might be less than you think. I will have to fly this to see if it outdoes my fleet defiant. I honestly dont think it will in raw numbers. A few other factors but if i'm flyin that thing i'm looking to blow something up. However This breen ship has potential i'll say that. I think a lot are going ot get it but may not become permanently flying it.
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Might be less than you think. I will have to fly this to see if it outdoes my fleet defiant. I honestly dont think it will in raw numbers. A few other factors but if i'm flyin that thing i'm looking to blow something up. However This breen ship has potential i'll say that. I think a lot are going ot get it but may not become permanently flying it.

    Oh, I agree - ultimately it's down to personal taste and nothing's going to get my Feddie out of his Fleet Excelsior but again, the modus of distribution for ships like the Jem'hadar and the Galor has always been justified by CBS only wanting limited numbers of them in game - since everyone can have a Breen ship, presumably it's now OK for everyone to have a Galor or a Jem'hadar no?
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  • jakebobstojakebobsto Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    seems logical to me...
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Or maybe they just want to make plenty of money selling "rare" ship with lockbox. Maybe that's true, and they turn that into a gamble for mass profit, or it's a lie, and they just saw an opportunity for mass profit. In both case, they won.
    BTW, don't expect to see them comes free or for a said amount of cash, even if CBS allow them to do so, since they makes a lot more money from gamble and lockbox.
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  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Might be less than you think. I will have to fly this to see if it outdoes my fleet defiant. I honestly dont think it will in raw numbers. A few other factors but if i'm flyin that thing i'm looking to blow something up. However This breen ship has potential i'll say that. I think a lot are going ot get it but may not become permanently flying it.

    Plus, a lot of people have made a huge hooplah over flying the ships they like -- it's why we constantly get threads asking for Fleet versions of the Exeter and Excalibur, after all. Even if the Breen ship ends up outperforming current ships (which I kind of doubt, with its Escort layout but middling turn-rate, and only 4 Tactical consoles instead of 5), people will still fly whatever ships they like the best.
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  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    When the Jem'hadar ship was introduced via lockboxes instead of the C-Store it was justified by Cryptic telling us that CBS mandated that the only way exotic non-faction ships would be allowed in the game is in small numbers.

    I'm pretty sure we all know by now that this was just marketing spin to justify lockboxes. It's not going to change now that the community is more at ease with them, it's too big of a money generator for them.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Kudos to Cryptic for making this available for free to everyone participating in the Winter Event - it looks like a great ship and I'm looking forward to acquiring at least two of them for my KDF characters so bravo!

    However, this begs the question:

    When the Jem'hadar ship was introduced via lockboxes instead of the C-Store it was justified by Cryptic telling us that CBS mandated that the only way exotic non-faction ships would be allowed in the game is in small numbers.

    Obviously this policy has changed since everyone currently playing this game can get the Breen ship if they run the race for 25 days - and make no mistake, there are going to be a lot of these ships sitting outside ESD and Qo'noS.

    So really, it's time the Jemmie, the Galor and all those other lockbox ships were put in the C-Store since there's no longer any credible excuse not to.

    Make brand new ships and put them in lockboxes instead.

    You aren't the only one that sees a major incongruence between STO devs claiming cbs wanted to limit numbers of bug ships and galors and then seeing a rare breen ship which will be handed out to players in a way that will get it into a lot of players hands. IMO, a breen ship is just as a rare as a galor, if not rarer. Even the discussion of which one is rarer is silly as both the galor class cruisers and breen cruisers were a common site during the domion wars.

    Even so, I am grateful that I will be getting this ship for free.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    If this was a different ship, namely Starfleet/KDF only ships, the problem wouldn't be here at all.

    And in a way, it could still be rare.

    1. A lot of people left when season 7 hit, not to mention there are a lot of people who are already gone from the past anyways.

    2. Not everyone is going to be flying it forever. Same goes for every new ship, a huge influx of them, then they filter out.

    3. Even for everyone playing, not all people on will get the ship over the next month.

    4. Don't think this is the only Breen ship, we could possibly see another one...one that would cost. (or other potential Breen items)
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    If this was a different ship, namely Starfleet/KDF only ships, the problem wouldn't be here at all.

    And in a way, it could still be rare.

    1. A lot of people left when season 7 hit, not to mention there are a lot of people who are already gone from the past anyways.

    2. Not everyone is going to be flying it forever. Same goes for every new ship, a huge influx of them, then they filter out.

    3. Even for everyone playing, not all people on will get the ship over the next month.

    4. Don't think this is the only Breen ship, we could possibly see another one...one that would cost. (or other potential Breen items)

    To adress point 1: Not a valid argument since Cryptic claims the number of active players has gone up since season 7 hit

    Point 2: You could have used this same argument for the bug and galor.

    Point 3: You could use a similar argument for the bug and galor. Had they been offered for free for a limited time, it would be no different.

    Point 4: Same could be said of the galor. We could eventually see a cardassian mini-faction with free galors. If that happens, again your point would be invalidated b/c the cbs goal of ensuring it is owned by low numbers of players is completely undermined by offering that supposedly "rare" ship for free at some point.
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  • romuzariiromuzarii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well as much as I enjoy poking at Cryptic here about this subject, I like to think they aren't going around spewing lies because CBS would find out somehow someway about it and perhaps they might get in trouble in some fashion, if they can at all over it.

    Still, this ship clearly falls under the "it ain't a fed or kdf ship so we don't want everyone to fly around in them" rule. Perhaps there is a clause in there somewhere that says... we're fine with it if the ship is for free during Christmas. Sounds TRIBBLE if you ask me but anything is possible.

    The simple fact that it's not going to really replace any of our cstore or lockbox or 'Jemmy that comes in everything because it's an instant Cash Cow ship' ships makes it not such a threat to be flown around by everyone all the time could be reason enough to allow everyone to get it. Remember, CBS is concerned(for who knows what reason in the world you'd think they'd be more concerned with a new show or something)about everyone flying these ships all the time. Not that everyone owns one. I guess it's better than most ships but that's okay so long as it's not a clear winner.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    4. Don't think this is the only Breen ship, we could possibly see another one...one that would cost. (or other potential Breen items)

    I already have a suspicion that this will be the case. Here is an excerpt from the discription of the ship stats.
    The Breen Chel Grett Warship comes with an Energy Dissipator console which fires a targetable Energy Dissipating Blast that causes significant subsystem drain and has a chance to knock a single subsystem offline for a short duration. The Energy Dissipator can be equipped in any console slot on any Breen ship

    Any Breen ship. That leads to the assumption there may be another Breen ship on the way. Perhaps a lockbox with the Breen capitol ship and the frigate / fighter in the Lobi Store?
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    scififan78 wrote: »
    I already have a suspicion that this will be the case. Here is an excerpt from the discription of the ship stats.



    Any Breen ship. That leads to the assumption there may be another Breen ship on the way. Perhaps a lockbox with the Breen capitol ship and the frigate / fighter in the Lobi Store?

    I suspect we will see a Sarr Theln carrier and a Bleth Chaos fighter.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The Breen Chel Grett Warship comes with an Energy Dissipator console which fires a targetable Energy Dissipating Blast that causes significant subsystem drain and has a chance to knock a single subsystem offline for a short duration. The Energy Dissipator can be equipped in any console slot on any Breen ship.

    ?Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General
    -Hull Strength: 36,000
    -Shield Modifier: 1
    -Crew: 650
    -Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
    -Device Slots: 3
    -Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science, 1 Ensign Universal

    -Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
    -Base Turn Rate: 13 degrees per second
    -Impulse Modifier: 0.18
    -+10 Power to Weapons; +5 Power to Engines
    -Can Load Cannons
    -Breen Energy Dissipator Universal Console


    NOTE: The above stats are subject to change. The box that the ship comes in, which cannot be opened until the minimum rank listed above, is bound upon pickup.

    What interest me about the Breen vessel is that it is some kind of Cruiser/Escort hybrid. I think the first time players get this vessel it will be flown alot around sector space and ESD.

    I wouldn't worry about it being over used, afterall the thing is ugly as hell. Also it is more of a novelty item than anything else - Most folks seek after more prestige vessels like the BUG, or Lock Box vessels.

    I remember this same argument about the BUG, I rarely see them at all now, though they are scarce. It also applies with the other Lockbox ships - I occasionally see the Recluse, Wells (It is fairly new), and D'Kora.

    The FREE Chimera I rarely see - So I highly doubt the Breen vessel will flood the universe - it is a novelty item that will soon wear off and be kept in players storage to collect dust - Unless you're a serious RP'er.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    scififan78 wrote: »
    I already have a suspicion that this will be the case. Here is an excerpt from the discription of the ship stats.
    The Breen Chel Grett Warship comes with an Energy Dissipator console which fires a targetable Energy Dissipating Blast that causes significant subsystem drain and has a chance to knock a single subsystem offline for a short duration. The Energy Dissipator can be equipped in any console slot on any Breen ship

    Any Breen ship. That leads to the assumption there may be another Breen ship on the way. Perhaps a lockbox with the Breen capitol ship and the frigate / fighter in the Lobi Store?

    Either that or leaving possibilities open for future projects. I highly doubt it that we'll be seeing Breen variants at the CStore - but I would not be surprise if we see something Breen in a Lockbox.

    I am hinting at a Carrier of some sort -

    A Breen Carrier would prove to be a Dev designer challenge, afterall Breen design is rather unique.
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  • aaronh42aaronh42 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Somebody mentioned you can buy Qshots from the Lobi store, I hadn't seen that information any idea where it comes from?

    Also, I am assuming Qshots will be character bound. Would be nice if they were account bound or unbound altogether, but I think cryptic fears alting being used to abuse this system.
  • curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    aaronh42 wrote: »
    Somebody mentioned you can buy Qshots from the Lobi store, I hadn't seen that information any idea where it comes from?

    Also, I am assuming Qshots will be character bound. Would be nice if they were account bound or unbound altogether, but I think cryptic fears alting being used to abuse this system.

    Here's that info. Funny, we can't copy a photo in the 25th century but we can replicate water in deep space?
    If, by some stroke of bad luck, you find yourself incapable of participating in the event the required number of times, this does not mean you?ll have missed your chance to earn the Breen Warship! The Lobi Crystal Consortium is selling ?Q?s Appreciation Package? for just 5 Lobi Crystal, which will contain 2-6 of his sought-after Autographs. Although this is a large investment in Lobi Crystals for players seeking to purchase the ship outright, remember that the price can be significantly reduced by simply running the ?Fastest Game on Ice? on a daily basis.
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  • r37r37 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    It's been while since the last event, but I believe the bug ship was the reward for the last WW.

    Keep in mind that it is no walk in the park to get the glossy photo's. To start the race you must first fight with dozens of people all spamming F to get in, and that alone could take 10+ minutes. Once you finally get into a race you now need to win it, and just staying on the course to finish is a major feat. While some parts of the course are forgiving, there are more then a few sections where you can get dismissed from the race for just getting close to the edge, and you better dodge those snow balls ;)

    A lot of people gave up on getting the ship due to frustration with the course, so unless they have revamped it you are in for some hair ripping - shoe tossing - face meet brick "fun". Enjoy ;)
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  • psymantispsymantis Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    r37 wrote: »
    It's been while since the last event, but I believe the bug ship was the reward for the last WW.

    Keep in mind that it is no walk in the park to get the glossy photo's. To start the race you must first fight with dozens of people all spamming F to get in, and that alone could take 10+ minutes. Once you finally get into a race you now need to win it, and just staying on the course to finish is a major feat. While some parts of the course are forgiving, there are more then a few sections where you can get dismissed from the race for just getting close to the edge, and you better dodge those snow balls ;)

    A lot of people gave up on getting the ship due to frustration with the course, so unless they have revamped it you are in for some hair ripping - shoe tossing - face meet brick "fun". Enjoy ;)

    Lasts years didn't have a guarantee of a ship; you got a box that would maybe/possibly/unlikely have a red box. Opening the red box had a teeny tiny chance at getting the ship. The red boxes could also be bought off the C-Store. They were the very first lockbox in game but you bought the box instead of the key.
  • curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    psymantis wrote: »
    Lasts years didn't have a guarantee of a ship; you got a box that would maybe/possibly/unlikely have a red box. Opening the red box had a teeny tiny chance at getting the ship. The red boxes could also be bought off the C-Store. They were the very first lockbox in game but you bought the box instead of the key.

    To back up your statement: I opened 155 red boxes, and got 1 jem'hadar ship.
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  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    To adress point 1: Not a valid argument since Cryptic claims the number of active players has gone up since season 7 hit

    How long is it until you're classed as an inactive player? I know a few people that came back to try S7 and didn't like it so they left again but since they logged in for a look their accounts will be classed as active.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    scififan78 wrote: »
    I already have a suspicion that this will be the case. Here is an excerpt from the discription of the ship stats.



    Any Breen ship. That leads to the assumption there may be another Breen ship on the way. Perhaps a lockbox with the Breen capitol ship and the frigate / fighter in the Lobi Store?

    I've always liked the look of the Capitol Ship and their Fighters were the sickness!
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    deokkent wrote: »
    Eh... I think I'm just gonna grind for the bat'leth reward. That ship is good, especially for my kdf but I don't think I can make it. So freakin' sad.

    I really wish they made the ship not bound, made it so that we can at least sell the ship to other players that cannot or are not able to fulfill all the requirements to obtain it.

    CRYPTIC - is this something you may re-consider - I mean running the race back to back for almost an entire month may prove too difficult for many. People do have lives outside of STO.

    Please reconsider removing the BOUND status from the Breen vessel.

    If not that

    Reduce the timer cool down on the race from 19hrs to around 12.
    deokkent wrote: »
    Eh... I think I'm just gonna grind for the bat'leth reward.

    Curious I see the Lirpa, but it seems the Bat'leth is missing - Did they not include the Bat'leth nanopulse weapon?
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  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    stark2k wrote: »
    Curious I see the Lirpa, but it seems the Bat'leth is missing - Did they not include the Bat'leth nanopulse weapon?

    The Lirpas and Bat'leths are faction specific.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    thratch1 wrote: »
    The Lirpa and Bat'leths are faction specific.

    Thats too bad, it would have been nice to have a complete set.
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  • rokesmithrokesmith Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You know, I wonder if them being character bound was one of the selling points to CBS on them being limited. You can't have someone with too much time on their hands (semester is ending soon for many) grinding it on 10 alts and then selling them to people who don't have time to run it every day or go out of town, or are taking a break, etc.

    The Bug was available free too - and we all complained that it was too random, too hard.

    However you look at it I think it's a great step in the right direction and most of the players (especially those casual players we never see on the forums anyway) won't be doing it regularly enough to actually get it.
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  • matchstick606matchstick606 Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    maybe we can look at this in a different perspective. we can all agree that cryptic made a lot of money on lockbox's. It could be that there in a good financial standing to do something like this.

    just my 2 cents, i'm happy about the breen ship and can't wait to get my hands on it!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    rokesmith wrote: »
    You know, I wonder if them being character bound was one of the selling points to CBS on them being limited.

    Possibly

    Though I think we're giving CBS too much credit - I have a feeling that we've reached a point where CBS doesn't even care anymore, to a certain point.

    This sounds like CRYPTIC Bantha Fodder all over it.
    rokesmith wrote: »
    The Bug was available free too - and we all complained that it was too random, too hard.

    Really?

    The Red Gift Boxes had to be purchased via the CStore back then, and there was little to "NO" Red Gift Boxes rewarded at the end of the race.

    Ask anyone on these forums what were the odds of acquiring a Red gift Box at the end of the race, let alone a BUG from one of them as a prize - Your chances were 99.9% of obtaining nothing.

    Many players like me, were forced to buy Red Gift Boxes from Hell without "them" disclosing the odds. Heck there was an entire thread dedicated to researching the odds.

    I know of players (in the plural), that spent over a thousand dollars on those Red Gift Boxes and never received the BUG, Heck there was even a Dev that was quoted as saying that folks who spent hundred dollars or more should be given the BUG, a Dev - of course that never came to fruition.

    You know what, let me not say anymore, I'm just opening up old wounds.
    rokesmith wrote: »
    However you look at it I think it's a great step in the right direction and most of the players (especially those casual players we never see on the forums anyway) won't be doing it regularly enough to actually get it.

    So you feel thats a good thing? Just to keep things limited, actually its a flawed statement - Truth is the ship is nothing but a novelty item, and for a month or so of being played with, people will probably toss the thing into ESD docking bay. It is like all new toys that CRYPTIC gives us, very few players will remain flying that PUGLY Breen thing.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Um no thanks i've bought all my special ships because i know very few people can get them. :D

    But they could put some new ones in the store indeed. Anyway, fleet ships have roughly the same stats.
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