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adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Federation Discussion
I am looking at the fleet Excelsior and I was a little disappointed to see it was missing a universal ensign, the engineering ensign more or less goes to waste and could be used to far better effect in science, you cant say it was so that people can't have 4 tactical skills (Fleet Assault cruiser) but an ensign at science would MAKE the fleet Excelsior.

So Devs, if you would please be so kind as to make that change :)
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  • vikingraidervikingraider Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    there's a Fleet Excelsior??
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    there's a Fleet Excelsior??

    Is now, look on Tribble

    With the sole exception of boffs it does everything the oddy does, only better
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The 120 year old ship, refitted to hell and back already, is getting upgraded again? I mean its good for me since I already own it and get the upgrade for cheap, but really?

    BTW, does the Fleet version have the transwarp or different boff layouts, or just enhanced numbers?
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The 120 year old ship, refitted to hell and back already, is getting upgraded again? I mean its good for me since I already own it and get the upgrade for cheap, but really?

    I love the ship, I was waiting for a VA upgrade, I'm still using my RA one :)
    BTW, does the Fleet version have the transwarp or different boff layouts, or just enhanced numbers?

    Still has built in Transwarp, has the boosted figures, has 4/2/4 console layout, sadly it still has that darned ensign engineer boff slot which I think should always have been science.
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  • meefee5meefee5 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What about the Fleet Assault cruiser, what differences did it have?
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meefee5 wrote: »
    What about the Fleet Assault cruiser, what differences did it have?

    Assault cruiser had Uni Lt and a tac ens
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  • meefee5meefee5 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What about the console layout? :D
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meefee5 wrote: »
    What about the console layout? :D

    4/3/4 same as the Excel :)
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  • meefee5meefee5 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    4/3/4?! :D Best cruiser EVA
  • vkfphoenixlordvkfphoenixlord Member Posts: 1,991 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Sweet. Now I want something from my Fleet's Shipyard. :D Any idea what Tier it is going to be? Please say Tier 3. We just hit that. :D
  • cliftona91cliftona91 Member Posts: 254
    edited November 2012
    The 120 year old ship, refitted to hell and back already, is getting upgraded again? I mean its good for me since I already own it and get the upgrade for cheap, but really?

    BTW, does the Fleet version have the transwarp or different boff layouts, or just enhanced numbers?

    The K'tinga is just as old as the Excelsior, if not older and yet it is still in use and even has a Fleet Upgrade. I think it makes sense.
  • meefee5meefee5 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It's going to be t5 sadly, but the other one will be t3
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Sweet. Now I want something from my Fleet's Shipyard. :D Any idea what Tier it is going to be? Please say Tier 3. We just hit that. :D

    It is T3, I still want ens uni/sci though
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  • meefee5meefee5 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Wait so the fleet assault is going to be t3 as well? But the patch notes said t5

    Fleet Assault Cruiser
    Costs 20,000 Fleet Credits, 4 fleet ship modules, and 1 military requisition.
    Only 1 fleet ship module if you have purchased the Sovereign refit.
    Requires Shipyard tier 5.
  • phantomeightphantomeight Member Posts: 567 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2012
    Yeah I want a UNI ensign for the Excel...
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  • hroothvitnirhroothvitnir Member Posts: 322
    edited November 2012
    This might pull me out of the Vesta and back into the Excelsior again.
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meefee5 wrote: »
    Wait so the fleet assault is going to be t3 as well? But the patch notes said t5

    FAC is T5, FE is T3
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    meefee5 wrote: »
    Wait so the fleet assault is going to be t3 as well? But the patch notes said t5

    Fleet Assault Cruiser
    Costs 20,000 Fleet Credits, 4 fleet ship modules, and 1 military requisition.
    Only 1 fleet ship module if you have purchased the Sovereign refit.
    Requires Shipyard tier 5.

    No, the Fleet Assault Cruiser is T5, the Fleet Excelsior is T3.

    What really boggles my mind is why the Excelsior continues to be improved at the same rate as the Sovereign...
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What really boggles my mind is why the Excelsior continues to be improved at the same rate as the Sovereign...

    That's easy, the Excelsior's sheer awesomeness of course...
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2012
    that and the fact they made bloomin hundreds of them
    must be plenty sitting around in mothballs just waiting to be recommissioned
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The Excelsior is the Federations go to ship, with an upgraded warpcore it has the firepower of a Galaxy class, but is about half the size (I know that doesn't translate in game). It was also a testbed ship, in other words it was designed to test out new technologies that would go into the Ambassador, Galaxy and Sovereign classes. At the same time since it is smaller and has less amenities (ST:Voy Flashback) doesn't make it suitable for long range assignments (not that the Sovereign was designed for exploration). It was also made during a time when Starfleet was a lot more military and in constant conflict with the Klingons. It really is a jack of all trades ship.

    EDIT: Not to mention the Refited Excelsior class in ST: DS9 Paradise Lost was expected to blow the Defiant out of the sky if it hadn't had a little old fashion armor installed under the table.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The Excelsior is the Federations go to ship, with an upgraded warpcore it has the firepower of a Galaxy class, but is about half the size (I know that doesn't translate in game). It was also a testbed ship, in other words it was designed to test out new technologies that would go into the Ambassador, Galaxy and Sovereign classes. At the same time since it is smaller and has less amenities (ST:Voy Flashback) doesn't make it suitable for long range assignments (not that the Sovereign was designed for exploration). It was also made during a time when Starfleet was a lot more military and in constant conflict with the Klingons. It really is a jack of all trades ship.

    It's also about 120 years old, about 90 years older than the Sovereign, which was the most advanced cruiser design of its time, and it recently got a Refit based on Odyssey's tech... why the newer design (a newer Enterprise design) is relegated to second fiddle to the old one is alien to me. I just don't understand the attention the Excelsior gets compared to my favorite Enterprise, I guess...
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Also helps me that I'm a big Excelsior fanboy. I can't justify the hull being so high, same as the Vesta's hull being so low, but everything else can be as an advanced testbed ship (unless you argue that they build armor into the ship).

    EDIT: I agree 100% that the Oddy should be something special, 45.5k hull and 1.25 shield mod would go a long way to that (and maybe a hanger that can only equip repair drones).

    EDIT2: If you think about it, the Vesta (as in the Vesta was introduced years ago in SF) was a testbed for modern ships, including the Oddy. Give the Oddy a 10% hull and shield buff and give it a full hanger bay.
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It's chassis is one of the most versatile in Starfleet history, the design was also one of the most reliable and successful in Starfleet history, it stands to reason that they would continue to refit it
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  • connectamabobconnectamabob Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    ...So basically it's the Kalashnikov of StarFleet ships.

    Like trhrangerxml I'm an Excel fanboy. It's a beautiful, elegantly less-is-more design that hits me dead center in the nostalgia spot. I never felt "at home" in an STO ship until I was flying one.

    Calling me biased would be entirely fair and accurate, but STO is already filled with stuff that either doesn't make in-universe sense or bends/breaks canon for the sake of keeping gameplay interesting, so keeping an older ship around at a higher competitive level than it realistically maybe should be is not really an issue IMO. And even if it was, it still wouldn't be a serious one by a long stretch.
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Two things:

    a) I really could not care less about the constant ******** over the Excel's relevance. These are typically the same people who whine about there being no Tier 5 Connie, so you know, remove the beam from your own eye and all that. Also she's extremely beautiful and I will not hear a bad word against her.

    b) While a Uni Ensign would make this utterly perfect, it's not required and the prospective version on Tribble is already amazing. I couldn't be happier really, especially since I never thought they'd make this ship.
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    AK-47 is a really good comparison to the Excelsior, right down to all the design inspired look a likes flying around like the Sovereign. Its just a good design.

    EDIT: I'm perfectly happy with the current Tribble build!
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Nice to see we're getting back on topic. The current proposed build is good, I run the current one on holodeck, it would save me some work :) but as I said upon opening, ensign sci would make the ship (for me at least) I can live without RSP if I can have HE, ST and TSS all on the same ship.

    The thing with the Excelsior though I suppose is it was already too close to perfect I mean you make the ensign uni and the boff layout is perfect for a cruiser, 4/3/3 console layout is also perfectly good for a cruiser, either of those would make people question other cruisers, both makes it a no brainer...

    Still with a 4/2/4 console layout I really don't see the harm in ensign uni :)
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  • admgreeradmgreer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    According to the Star Trek ship design manuals this class boast the most sturdy and reinforced space-frame on any class of starfleet vessels due to the anticipated stress of the prototype transwarp drive. Captian Scott was quoted as saying that the heavy duty space-frame was an "overkill" but this apperant overkill allowed this class to serve in active space duty long after its forseen lifespan. Also do to the bulk of this frame it was discovered that the original impulse drive design was severly under powered. This led to the refit and addition of 2 addtional drives in the saucer section as seen on the Enterprise-B. Captin Scott also wrote that the Excelsior class were the only ships in the fleet not held together by force fields and stembolts. The success and longetivity of this class owes it gratitude to the over-compinsation of the design engineers and failed experiment of the Transwarp Drive. (sources: Federation Ship Recognition Manual, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual.) Due to all this I think this class should have the highset hull points of any ship in the game. Also in the original Undiscovered Country script Sulu was doing a Sauser seperation drill when he recieved the trasnmission that Kirk was being charged with killing the chanslor. So I think that this class should have that feature as well. My 2 cents.
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,415 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2012
    It's also about 120 years old, about 90 years older than the Sovereign, which was the most advanced cruiser design of its time, and it recently got a Refit based on Odyssey's tech... why the newer design (an Enterprise design) is relegated to second fiddle to the old one is alien to me. I just don't understand the attention the Excelsior gets compared to my favorite Enterprise, I guess...

    Oh, sure, because the Enterprise B totally wasn't an Enterprise.
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