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mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Klingon Discussion
So, we've been hearing bits and pieces about season 8, and what it might mean for the Klingon side.

On one end, we have the Fed v Klingon war. On the other, we have our two powers vs very nearly everyone else in the whole galaxy and beyond.

My thoughts are more on how this will affect the Klingons. On one end, the Federation is still plagued with the honorless Undine infiltrating their ranks. As such, there should be no peace until the Undine are purged out of the Federation, completely. On the other end though, there are other threats still looming, primarily the Iconians of course, but more on the direct home front, the Tal Shiar controlled by them.

Hakeev might be gone, but it doesn't mean that the Tal Shiar isn't strong, not to mention might be the most powerful espionage group currently in the known powers.

Really, the Federation and Klingons ARE the defense against the Iconians and anyone they manipulate. Romulans outside of the Tal Shiar are broken into a bunch of groups still. Cardassians are still building themselves back after the Dominion War, the Breen are pretty much doing their own thing, the Deferi are combating both the Breen and Borg. The Borg have been majorly weakened because of the attack on Unimatrix 01, and much less of a threat. Plus the more recent incursions by Tholians.

All that together combines into one doozy of a war-front. Even so, it'd be best for the game to end the Fed-Klingon war on a good, solid ending. A few missions (at end game) that'd pretty much put an end to this by getting rid of the Undine in the Federation and such.

Once that happens, we can just explain PvP and such with something like 'Section 31 manipulations, rogue Klingons, border skirmishes, or something else'.

Then and only then would the war ending be more acceptable to both sides and also allow the story to move past it as such.


But this is all presuming that's what will happen in season 8 to begin with.
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  • purvee1purvee1 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    So, we've been hearing bits and pieces about season 8, and what it might mean for the Klingon side.

    It means nothing.
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=769201

    In two weeks it went from "Season 8 will be the KDF season" to "I'm not allowed to do anything for the KDF but I'll keep rooting for you guys!".

    Sorry to be the bringer of bad news.
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Q: (ebrithil1) As much as I love all the new content you've been pushing out for the Feds, I like my Klingons too. When can we expect to see you fulfill the promise you made to expand the content on the red side?

    Dstahl: Personally, I?m still very committed to ensuring the KDF has levels 1-50, more so than I can even publicly talk about because it would involve going into details about all the internal conversations I?ve had within the company about this topic. It is my goal as EP to make this happen and the only thing that I can give you is that I?m fighting for it and want to do it. It just isn?t official yet.

    Q: (ehgato) Can the Orions have their own bridge design? They currently use a standard Klingon bridge.

    Dstahl: So far, we?ve only been able to build a few special replica bridges per year, but this is one of the bridges that we agree would be nice to have on the KDF side. We have long term plans to make some Gorn episodes, and in fact Season 7 was originally going to take place on the Gorn Homeworld, but was changed to New Romulus for reasons that will be revealed later. When we do come back and visit the Gorn (and possibly the Voth as well) we will get the opportunity to throw non-Klingon bridges onto the schedule.

    Q: (ocp011) I was curious as to what exciting new additions are on the horizon?

    Dstahl: Well? The updated and exhilarating Winter Event is coming up in early December ? there will be a new limited time ship associated with that along with tons of new prizes and events (including PvP snowball fights). In January we will be releasing a modern Federation Andorian ship, which looks amazing, but harkens back to the familiar design. In February, there will be the 3 Year Anniversary ship rewards, followed by the next lock box ship (which hasn?t been announced yet). We also have some costumes and Lobi store updates coming, as well as more missions related to Season 7. So plenty of stuff on the horizon!

    Q: (vawlkus) Please tell me there?s a timeline to get Klingon?s back to starting at level 1. I flat our refuse to start a new character at level 20. Even if the missions aren?t there, let us figure out our way upwards.

    Dstahl: Totally agree with you and I?m working on it getting it approved and have been ever since I returned as EP. I?m not giving up on this.

    Q: (jonathanferro) Will we ever see a Klingon only adventure zone or Feature Episode series?

    Dstahl: The expectation is that we will see more Adventure zones, and if we redo the Klingon Tutorial and early levels, we will most likely use a KDF exclusive adventure zone to do some of it. There are some Klingon only Episodes we are discussing but we haven?t set a timeframe that we can share with you yet.

    I think that by and large this is positive, a much as it could be.
  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think that by and large this is positive, a much as it could be.

    No it is pure BS to keep KDF players playing with no real intention to do anything - he has said again and again that it's just not worth it to them.

    So his job as EP is to say whatever BS to keep people thinking there is light at the end of the tunnel when there is none.

    He is Exexcutive producer - but -can't say anything for sure - why? Who makes the decisions?

    He is the EP - but can't say when? Why- who makes the decisions?

    He says the buck stops with him and PWE does not get involved and all decisions have to be approved by him - but he is "fighing" to get the KDF done - fighing with who?

    It's a lot of Horse ****

    Shame on all of you for being fooled for the 1000th time.

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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If we get something that is good, if not I won't be disappointed. So far playing KDF has been very lacking. Just now getting to the Breen story line. There could been so much done. Granted I hadn't saw the newest parts they added to the game yet. Hopefully it will be a little better.

    Ships with nothing really new since I first got on back in spring. I looked at a couple other KDF ships from the C-store. So I might buy one soon. Seeing the current state of the KDF has me kinda so-so about buying ships and much stuff from the faction. If it improves I will be more happy to get more with KDF. Like a 2nd Capt., etc.
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  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Q: Whats coming for the KDF in season 8 ?

    Dstahl: Beads, Whiskey and Polio infected Blankets.....
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I hope to try a Foundry mission soon as I get my darn modem fixed. Since it acting up. I bet those are better and more KDF style.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Q: Whats coming for the KDF in season 8 ?

    Dstahl: Beads, Whiskey and Polio infected Blankets.....

    Lol, Really love that quote do you?
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  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    yeah I do Roach... and somehow it seems fitting with the current state of the game.... but all that aside I hold out no hope for anything for the KDF since the PWE is firmly ensconced into the Fed Players make us more $$$ than KDF players mentality
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  • tetonicatetonica Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I was really excited from september's ask cryptic, and then this one came out and it sounds like he's already backing away from what he said. So until I see otherwise, STO is simply something to do till ESO comes out.

    And not another cent will be spent by me until I see some progress with the KDF. :mad:
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    yeah I do Roach... and somehow it seems fitting with the current state of the game....

    Sadly, I must agree.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Went to play 'the vault' FE mission on my fed toon for some gear, and having never played my fed toon beyond midway thru the first FE (kilngon war) I was stunned at how many missions are in the romulan arc- about 20 compared to the KDF side that has 5.

    WTF Cryptic ?

    No wonder nobody but diehards want to play a KDF toon- there's NO CONTENT there.
    :(
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Went to play 'the vault' FE mission on my fed toon for some gear, and having never played my fed toon beyond midway thru the first FE (kilngon war) I was stunned at how many missions are in the romulan arc- about 20 compared to the KDF side that has 5.

    WTF Cryptic ?

    No wonder nobody but diehards want to play a KDF toon- there's NO CONTENT there.
    :(

    and a lot of those Diehards are starting to leave for a better experience, even if its not Klingon themed.
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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    and a lot of those Diehards are starting to leave for a better experience, even if its not Klingon themed.

    KDF forum was never very big but now it's like a ghost town. maybe that 16% is down to 12% now? - who knows Mr Stahl's real "plan" for the KDF could be "working as intended"
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    and a lot of those Diehards are starting to leave for a better experience, even if its not Klingon themed.

    That's actually quite true, as like it or not, STO has COMPETITION now from very decent F2P titles.

    First there's Star Wars The Old Republic, even despite the insane restrictions that it puts on F2P toons, I've had a lot of fun and actually been rewarded for exploring the lush environments that are offered in that game, two unique and distinct factions that feel different to one another, been to social areas that have been fun to kick around at, oh and best of all, been REWARDED for PVP! If I'm honest, I prefer the PvP more in STO however Cryptic can't see a golden opportunity in front of them if it came up and slapped them in the face. Lots of cons that kill that game though, mainly EA's greed.

    Second on list is Mechwarrior Online which I believe the majority of the PvP crowd are now leaving to go play. A lot of fun, devs seem to have a decent reputation with the community (Cryptic devs have near zero respect with KDF and PvP players, that's still a significant chunk of players that gives Cryptic a bad rep) Plus lots of content appears to be coming that people are asking for.

    Third is Star Citizen, which is a Sci-Fi Space Sim which will feature a MMO like persistent universe functionality being developed by Chris Roberts; which although is funded by kickstarter and is at least two years away, has the potential to literally blow most MMO's especially space sci-fi ones to dust if it delivers the freedom of choice and sandbox experience it promises.

    Those are the three major contenders I can personally think of. It's just something I felt worth mentioning; mainly that there is significant competition.
  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vitzh wrote: »
    That's actually quite true, as like it or not, STO has COMPETITION now from very decent F2P titles.

    First there's Star Wars The Old Republic, even despite the insane restrictions that it puts on F2P toons, I've had a lot of fun and actually been rewarded for exploring the lush environments that are offered in that game, two unique and distinct factions that feel different to one another, been to social areas that have been fun to kick around at, oh and best of all, been REWARDED for PVP! If I'm honest, I prefer the PvP more in STO however Cryptic can't see a golden opportunity in front of them if it came up and slapped them in the face. Lots of cons that kill that game though, mainly EA's greed.

    Second on list is Mechwarrior Online which I believe the majority of the PvP crowd are now leaving to go play. A lot of fun, devs seem to have a decent reputation with the community (Cryptic devs have near zero respect with KDF and PvP players, that's still a significant chunk of players that gives Cryptic a bad rep) Plus lots of content appears to be coming that people are asking for.

    Third is Star Citizen, which is a Sci-Fi Space Sim which will feature a MMO like persistent universe functionality being developed by Chris Roberts; which although is funded by kickstarter and is at least two years away, has the potential to literally blow most MMO's especially space sci-fi ones to dust if it delivers the freedom of choice and sandbox experience it promises.

    Those are the three major contenders I can personally think of. It's just something I felt worth mentioning; mainly that there is significant competition.

    There is also a new F2P called Planetside 2 - that just went live - don't know anything about it though. STO has been my only MMO so far - I still like the game and have lots invested - it's hard to want to let go of something when you have invested so much time/money/emotion - perhaps that's why there are still a KDF around.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    KDF forum was never very big but now it's like a ghost town. maybe that 16% is down to 12% now? - who knows Mr Stahl's real "plan" for the KDF could be "working as intended"

    Thats possible. Only Dan knows for sure.
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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Thats possible. Only Dan knows for sure.

    Makes the most logical sense to me - constant broken promises - just wait for the next never-ending season = a slow bleed off of the KDF player base

    If season 8 actually sees no KDF improvements - that number could drop below 10%

    Then all he has to do then is say - well not enough people are playing KDF so its not viable to do any improvements. Problem solves itself for him over time with no money invested.

    Player :"Mr Stahl please keep your promise to improve the KDF!"

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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    For the past few weeks, I been using my KDF as a Dilithium Farmer. And using my Fed for the story line.

    I agree lack of content is very depressing playing KDF. I finally got me a new modem. So I will finally try some Foundry missions with my KDF. To see if that is better offering than the lack of STO story.
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  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    No it is pure BS to keep KDF players playing with no real intention to do anything - he has said again and again that it's just not worth it to them.

    So his job as EP is to say whatever BS to keep people thinking there is light at the end of the tunnel when there is none.

    He is Exexcutive producer - but -can't say anything for sure - why? Who makes the decisions?

    He is the EP - but can't say when? Why- who makes the decisions?

    He says the buck stops with him and PWE does not get involved and all decisions have to be approved by him - but he is "fighing" to get the KDF done - fighing with who?

    It's a lot of Horse ****

    Shame on all of you for being fooled for the 1000th time.

    "Fool me once - shame on you! Fool me twice - shame on me!"

    Well shame on me 1001 times.

    Actually I believe him. Well sorta.

    I remember hearing that when PWE people started to tour Cryptic and got to see the engine and play the game they were appalled by the state of both PvP and the KDF. I mean given how Asian games tend to rely on PvP for endgame content and most PvP games work best with a couple of factions.

    I have no clue who he is fighting other than the actual, "I only play Fed and only PvE" crowd that defines the vast majority of this game's population.

    So season after season the KDF and PvP get pushed back further to the back the burners and ignored while they try to prove they can make a monetary model for free to play that works for PvE players that only play Feds.

    So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    Well shame on me 1001 times.

    Actually I believe him. Well sorta.
    Shamefully part of me does to... Its a fault my Dominimatrix pokes fun at me often about.....I just want STO to be the complete Star Trek experience.....
    I remember hearing that when PWE people started to tour Cryptic and got to see the engine and play the game they were appalled by the state of both PvP and the KDF.....
    I remember hearing that as well. The most recent rumor I heard was that after the success of STO at the Vegascon DS was hyper to see more "noise" about the KDF to let the bigwigs at PWE know that we are a vibrant and desired faction. Its why I started my campaign of "lifting them up" right after the convention and this rumor came my way.

    Its still something I support. I think a complete KDF faction will only enhance the game. I hold the same opinion for the RSE as well.

    I still believe that they can make STO the paragon of star trek games and include all fans eventually but I am continually shocked and dismayed by the constant setbacks, excuses and downright blaiming of the fanbase at times for the poor reprensentation the KDF or any non-fed faction has in STO.
    I, like many, expected such excuses and setbacks to disapeer when they finally got out from under Atari and where picked up by PWE. We looked expectantly for a revival that never quite came the full distance......
    So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

    [REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP

    I still hate this idea just for the fact it ignores the backstory then moves the player into a setting that is diametricly opposite the backstory without explanation of why we went from war to peace between to factions.
    Its not like teh stories ingame allows the player to discover the Undine/Iconian threat and be that " Dark Hero" that pitted against his own government fights to do the right and save us all.


    As I have said before, its easy for me to hang around and wait to see if the KDF ever comes to thier own.
    I just feel bad for those whom enter and quickly learn that the game is more commerce than story or become an imbittered, untrusting member of the community like myself.
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  • ragestroke008ragestroke008 Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    More costume options would be nice. The Orion get their own gear, why not have a generic pool that "Alien" builds can have access to?

    And more ship customizing options on par with the Federation.
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  • ragestroke008ragestroke008 Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I still hate this idea just for the fact it ignores the backstory then moves the player into a setting that is diametricly opposite the backstory without explanation of why we went from war to peace between to factions.
    Its not like teh stories ingame allows the player to discover the Undine/Iconian threat and be that " Dark Hero" that pitted against his own government fights to do the right and save us all.


    As I have said before, its easy for me to hang around and wait to see if the KDF ever comes to thier own.
    I just feel bad for those whom enter and quickly learn that the game is more commerce than story or become an imbittered, untrusting member of the community like myself.

    From what I have been able to piece together from the loading screen messages, is that relations broke down after the Klingons conquered the Gorn, Nausican and Orion (of which the Federation disapproved) and when the Undine infiltrators were discovered the Klingons asked for help and the Federation refused. The culmination of which has resulted in a de-facto state of war rather than an actual conflict.

    But yeah, you shouldn't have to hunt for clues as to what is a significant event.
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  • tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I generally agree with the original posters opening statement. Yes, the KDF side needs more real content, the ability to play 1-50, more ships, war targs, and depth of development for its Great Houses and constituent allies. The Fed/KDF war is stale TNG era bad scrypt and story writing that blocked what could have lead to non allied cooperation resulting in more stories engaging more interesting enemies. But all the negative QQ towards Devs over past KDF neglect is just as stale as said neglect.

    If I were the development team and had agreed to make some player requested changes, was unable to do so because I had other priorities, and then read all this apathy, bitterness and whining, I would likely say TRIBBLE you, see if you get anything now, just out of spite.

    What we need to do has been done. We have asked for things to improve KDF play. The teen angst apathy liar name calling does nothing to improve our chances of getting that content and may even hinder it.

    I have more fun playing KDF not because that side is better developed but because my Fleet KDF bros and sistas are more fun to play with and we kick ---. When we chug a mug of blood wine from the fountain and raise our pocket knives in the air with a mighty OORAh! Then go out and make some trouble, the content isn't even noticed.

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2012

    From what I have been able to piece together from the loading screen messages, is that relations broke down after the Klingons conquered the Gorn, Nausican and Orion (of which the Federation disapproved) and when the Undine infiltrators were discovered the Klingons asked for help and the Federation refused. The culmination of which has resulted in a de-facto state of war rather than an actual conflict.

    But yeah, you shouldn't have to hunt for clues as to what is a significant event.

    Here is the Path to 2409 but it may not be complete or true to the original Path to 2409 that has been altered by the fanbase in several renditions.

    The Devs wrote a great story for STO but did not adhere to it very well.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    *shrug* I know of two sure-fire ways I can help us, and I do them both.

    1) Condense into fewer fleets to gain tiers and show an interest in that content

    2) Buy *everything* in the C-Store and Lobi store meant for KDF-only, at least once. Doesn't matter if its Zen or Dilithium exchange.


    Success comes from removing the reasons people say "no," not making them say "yes."

    Good or bad, I've done all I can to keep the faith, in the hopes it helps bring this game into a balance of Red v Blue. It serves to enrich the game for all players, as evidenced by dozens of other games with deliberate and designed factions.

    Clearly the only thing that they need to be focused on is not balancing out our C-Store offerings and content, but actually balancing out the design. They launched with less than 1.5 factions, they shouldn't be at all surprised they still don't have 2 if all they've done is continue to pump most of their effort in the the single whole one. That would be like starving one child, but buying them both the same clothes and wondering why one never looks healthy.
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    piwright42 wrote: »
    So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

    [REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP
    Makes sense to me, storywise. At this point they really should just end this war already. We have temporary ceasefires like every few weeks. You can't get any decisive war-related stuff done in such short time frames.
    The war has become absolutely pointless.
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