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Bortasqu' Pack Yes/No

mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Ok so ive been reading a few threads on the bortasqu' lately and was wondering if its worth a buy

I like the luck of the ship and the consoles it comes with

I flew the oddy on fed side and hated it... is it as bad?

Turn rate doesnt really bother me as im used to flying voquv and karfi

any input before the sale ends would be good thanks
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This is all I have to say: imagine trying to do those "fly to these 3 points" missions. Will take you 10 minutes.
    The oddy, you can separate.
    The bortasq you are stuck in a fat pig
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    chalpen wrote: »
    This is all I have to say: imagine trying to do those "fly to these 3 points" missions. Will take you 10 minutes.
    The oddy, you can separate.
    The bortasq you are stuck in a fat pig
    He just said turn rate wasn't an issue :P

    What I'd like to know before I recommand it though, is exactly what didn't you like about the Odyssey mustafatennick? Look, Boff seating, consoles, what?
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    my issue with the bortasq is many.

    the pet is hard to keep alive.
    It is hard to line up the shot, but WHAT a shot it is when you do line it up. The thing is, there are many cruisers that can do the same.

    Imagine playing DND with a fighter with no dexterity.

    Anyways, the problem is the points system cryptic puts towards ships to make sure they are not OP.
    Canons are a point. But Canons are good on nimbler ships.
    But since there is canons with cloak on this ship cryptic doesn't want it to be OP so it makes it slow to counter balance. But that makes the ship useless.
    Just, it is great when you start firing straight at enemies AND you wipe them out. It is hard to do anything after that.

    My suggestion, Vorcha refit or fleet vorcha.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If you want a magnificent looking ship that isn't good for much other than looks and occasionally ruining someone's day if they aren't paying attention, or if you want something that will stay alive pretty well in PvE, then the Bort is the ship for you. If you want something that can actually MOVE and still be able to do all of the above (minus a little of the staying alive part), I would recommend a Fleet Vor'cha/Fleet Tor'Kaht/any fleet battlecruiser other than the bort and neggy.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I have an Eng and a Tac toon. And I have the Borta pack as well.
    On both, I tried their respective ship versions. But after playing with the ships like the Vorchas, BoPs and Ktinga it kinda can get annoying navigating this beast. You'll do a lot of reverse-turns to line up shots if you want cannons. This one works well with beams if turning is something you dont want to be bothered about.

    It feels more Fed beamy peeeeeeeew-peeeeeeeew style than KDF rapid pew-pew style honestly.

    The disruptor cannon works well if you can line up shots. The extra BoP can bug out at times, so be forewarned. I never used the snare cos I use the subspace jump console instead.

    Though I gotta admit now on my tac I use the Brel BoP and on my eng I moved to the Fleet Vorcha and the Bortas have been mothballed :(

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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It is only 2000 zen and you get all the consol slots.
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  • sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I cashed in dil from 5 toons to get the Bortas'TRIBBLE 3 pack for my KDF eng. Ended up regretting that decision. Damned thing can't get out of it's own way. And the cloak is pointless, since your enemy can still see you 20 km out even with it on.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I wouldn't recommend it, you are better off spending money on a fleet battlecruiser.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 924 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    From what I just read up on it (yes, I play 2 KDF characters, one an LG, and I'm doing a little ship window shopping), the Bortas'qu is the KDF equivalent of a Beached Space Whale.

    If anything gets in front of it, it's toast and I mean a whole loaf of toast...but if it has to move it's lazier and slower than an old cat.

    Ya know..that about sums it up. Old, fat lazy cat....

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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    For people that can manage the turn rate like the op it is an excellent ship. You give up the manuverabilty of the Fleet Torkaht for more tankiness, more firepower (if using the command or tac versions) and universal boff stations which is nice because sometimes I put a sci in the LTC uni for more sci heals when using my eng, or use it as tac on my tac captain for same boff layout as Torkaht.

    I have both the 3 pack and the Torhkat, I use them all regularly.
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  • tsf00181tsf00181 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I have the tac variant.

    Like others have said, its like driving a bus. Even in PvE I find myself having to look two steps ahead to line up my cannon shots. I guess it would be okay with beams, but then its just like any feddie cruiser.

    Get the Fleet Vorcha/BattleCruiser instead. It has good tankability and can put out an insane amount of firepower. More importantly, it can turn quick enough to line up any shot you want.
  • benj2293benj2293 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    If you are mainly doing pvp and don't mind slow turning, the bortasqu' tactical cruiser is your best friend. 5 tactical consoles boosting dual heavie cannons and turrets plus the autocannon, can shred most ships, tractor beams also help, i use the borg tractor beam and another in my science station and have little trouble killing in pve or pvp.
    So many people have been scared away from this ship because they haven't the perseverance to put up with the turning to see what it has to offer, which is a huge amount of damage, and average tanking.
    And the cloak is pointless, since your enemy can still see you 20 km out even with it on.
    This was true months ago, but now the claok is similar to mask energy signature 3, so you can be seen at around 6km, so it isn't that bad.

    Overall i'd recommend this as a tactical cruiser, an eng or a sci doesn't fit the battleship role well in my experience.Hope this is helpful
  • sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    From what I just read up on it (yes, I play 2 KDF characters, one an LG, and I'm doing a little ship window shopping), the Bortas'qu is the KDF equivalent of a Beached Space Whale.

    If anything gets in front of it, it's toast and I mean a whole loaf of toast...but if it has to move it's lazier and slower than an old cat.

    Ya know..that about sums it up. Old, fat lazy cat....

    If you want a good attack cruiser, go with a Vor'cha retrofit or the fleet equivalent. Or pony up the cash for a Galor.
  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    As others stated, these ships have what you need to survive, if that is all you want to do. The Oddy and Bortas are good cruisers for their intended purpose and can pack some firepower, especially the Bortas' big gun. However, the problem is with the ability that you are not concerned with... maneuvering. No matter how much hull you have, if an enemy can just sit in your 6-position and plink away your shields and then your hull, then you are not going to survive. The maneuvering is what makes good ships in STO great ships in PvE (end-game) and PvP. I have both ships, mothballed the Oddy for a Fleet Heavy Cruiser (and probably will get the Tier 5 Advanced HC), and I will do the same with the Bortas when my fleet can get the Tier 5 Negh'var (this ships can turn and survive, as oppose to survive and hope to survive a little longer).

    It all depends on whether you want a big whale with a thick skin or a ship that can give as much as it can take. If the latter then go Fleet Negh'var.
  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    If you want a good attack cruiser, go with a Vor'cha retrofit of the fleet equivalent. Or pony up the cash for a Galor.

    Agree with the Galor, it is worth the expense and can turn very well. ;)
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I'll point out that the cannons are not a huge problem in Borg STFs. What I did (before I gave up on KDF) was use a bortas ship with a single autocannon console (not worth the rest, imo), cannons and a few other things, and a variety of movement stuff for when I NEED TO MOVE NOW (APO, for example).

    And then play it like a normal beam cruiser in anything else. (with extra console slot!)


    I don't know if it's better than other choices, but it's a decent cruiser with some interesting fits, if you don't feel like having a hangar filled with completely different ships.

    (My knowledge is pre-Fleet ships, so, yeah, maybe Fleet regular cruisers blow bortas pack out of the water, not sure)

    While I enjoyed my bortas', I will reiterate that I found the trio of consoles too costly (in terms of giving up more useful consoles) to bother with.
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