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zorena#3961 zorena Member Posts: 254 Arc User
edited November 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Really P2W isn't about you or whatever you buy.
Its not going to make the game better let me explain, I've not bought any pay 2 win for months did the game get any better? Simple answer no.
Its the same bull**** from the developers more Pay2Win gets released more ships become released sure you win some if you buy them, small edges entire ship full of TRIBBLE and sure your gonna beat the pugs if you have them but, I think this is the first real ship that is going to have it all its a science ship with perfect shields that can run really good damage skills from auxiliary cannons. But in its purest form this game is getting worse the consoles they release aren't any fun and the grind they add in season 7 is quite frankly horrid. People leaving this game because pvp feels like isn't worth anything and your forced to pvp isn't a joke It really start to feel like developers are actually pushing people away from pvp.

Rant over.
Noone.
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  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    zorandra wrote: »
    Really P2W isn't about you or whatever you buy.
    Its not going to make the game better let me explain, I've not bought any pay 2 win for months did the game get any better? Simple answer no.
    Its the same bull**** from the developers more Pay2Win gets released more ships become released sure you win some if you buy them, small edges entire ship full of TRIBBLE and sure your gonna beat the pugs if you have them but, I think this is the first real ship that is going to have it all its a science ship with perfect shields that can run really good damage skills from auxiliary cannons. But in its purest form this game is getting worse the consoles they release aren't any fun and the grind they add in season 7 is quite frankly horrid. People leaving this game because pvp feels like isn't worth anything and your forced to pvp isn't a joke It really start to feel like developers are actually pushing people away from pvp.

    Rant over.

    REPORTED!

    Just kidding Zorena, you and Hilbert are like identical in personality. I can say the same for myself. I think adapting to the conditions imposed on the PvP community is the best viable option left for the most of us.

    Setting example on not to use P2W seems to be working for the most part and gaining a lot of momentum in the TRH camp's influence on the remaining PvPers in this game.

    Unfortunately, this cannot be said for most people.

    However, everything you said is merited in truth. And I appreciate another old timer posting negative feedback on the status quo. Keep fighting the good fight Zorena, take care.
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Is much better if you beat someone because of your skill or teamskill and not by some console that you buy
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  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    mrkollins wrote: »
    Is much better if you beat someone because of your skill or teamskill and not by some console that you buy

    This kind of attitude is what makes everyone wanna keep playing. You're awesome man!
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  • aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well I suppose they make a lot of money so I fear more p2w stuff will come and we somehow have to live with it. But I heard often that p2w consoles are crutches for bad players or something like that. Now that gave me a thought...


    We all know many randoms lack the basic understanding of the game mechanics. Like how to make a simple keybind to distribute shields. It's not so easy to educate new players because they have to be willing to listen and to learn. So why not some new "p2w" consoles that exactly help players like that.
    Why not have an auto distribute shields console. Now mind you I don't think it should be something like TT but simply a console that has the same effect as spamming your distribute shields button. So in the end you are wasting a console slot because you don't get an advantage if you are already distributing shields. But I think many players would spend money on such a thing, it would improve pvp for all of us I suppose, it would even help in pve and cryptic could make money.

    Now I suppose we could come up with many such things, that won't help an experienced player but improve the performance of new players. And since cryptic would sell them they make money and all are happy.

    My stomach is clear and my mind is full of bacon!
  • adon333adon333 Member Posts: 304
    edited November 2012
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]


    Yeah, that's right.
  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think a better solution would be to come and play MWO with the rest of us.

    Read the sig...its true
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  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    mrkollins wrote: »
    Is much better if you beat someone because of your skill or teamskill and not by some console that you buy

    Agreed. Should be a PvP mantra.
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  • houseofcritzhouseofcritz Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    aldo1raine wrote: »
    I think a better solution would be to come and play MWO with the rest of us.

    Read the sig...its true

    I have been playing the past few nights its a pretty fun game.. but only have a few people on my friends list :(
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    sollvax wrote: »
    a pure cannon build is always less effective than original starfleet specs

    correct build is as it comes out of the factory
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    p2w can be bad, but personally what I hate in pvp is people using bug or ability/items "not working as intended".

    Moreover if you are talking about ships or console you also have to talk about certain duty officers.
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  • wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    First this ship doesn't have perfect shields it has the 2nd lowest mod of any sci ship. It has one of the lowest non escort hulls in the game. Yes it has DHC. Cool drop aux and kill its sci abilities and weapons in the same hit. Stop complaining about a ship that isn't out yet. Can we all stop complaining about it please. I fly sci/sci 75% and I find almost no appeal in this ship now maybe on my tact. Anyways that's just my 2 ec's worth
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    anything placed between the levels of skill clashing fairly is bad for pvp. AMS , bug ship and runabouts are the top offenders.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    REPORTED!

    Just kidding Zorena, you and Hilbert are like identical in personality. I can say the same for myself. I think adapting to the conditions imposed on the PvP community is the best viable option left for the most of us.

    Setting example on not to use P2W seems to be working for the most part and gaining a lot of momentum in the TRH camp's influence on the remaining PvPers in this game.

    Unfortunately, this cannot be said for most people.

    However, everything you said is merited in truth. And I appreciate another old timer posting negative feedback on the status quo. Keep fighting the good fight Zorena, take care.

    i think not using something to show how bad it is, is counter productive.

    it didnt seem to work at all in the past.
    mrkollins wrote: »
    Is much better if you beat someone because of your skill or teamskill and not by some console that you buy

    what if im skilled at using the consoles? -button masher-
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited November 2012
    I have been playing the past few nights its a pretty fun game.. but only have a few people on my friends list :(

    What's your MWO handle? I'll add you. Most of the Pandas are playing it now.
    LOLSTO
  • houseofcritzhouseofcritz Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    brandonfl wrote: »
    What's your MWO handle? I'll add you. Most of the Pandas are playing it now.

    @ simoncritz
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    Quote of the week:
    sollvax wrote: »
    a pure cannon build is always less effective than original starfleet specs

    correct build is as it comes out of the factory
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well, it's spread to Steam.

    Honestly, I'm waiting for the McDonald's Happy Meal Lockbox. You buy a Happy Meal, and you have a chance to get some nifty "item" - and - well, yeah - I can see it... maybe when the next ST movie comes out.
  • thegrimcorsairthegrimcorsair Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    First this ship doesn't have perfect shields it has the 2nd lowest mod of any sci ship. It has one of the lowest non escort hulls in the game. Yes it has DHC. Cool drop aux and kill its sci abilities and weapons in the same hit. Stop complaining about a ship that isn't out yet. Can we all stop complaining about it please. I fly sci/sci 75% and I find almost no appeal in this ship now maybe on my tact. Anyways that's just my 2 ec's worth

    Set 3-Piece power provides Shield and Hull DR up 100% with no diminishing returns scaling on your Aux setting.

    Aux DHC's run entirely off of Aux Power Setting and are [Acc]x2 [Dmg], decent, but not brain-breaking mods.

    The Vesta gets to fly around with its healing, primary weapons, and hangar cranked up to 11 with minimal reason to change power settings on the fly. You put a Sci in it and you mega debuffing all the time with the option of really going nuts with pet spam and still reasonable firepower. Put a Tac in it and you get your healing available at full power while still belting out significant damage and crippling debuffs. All this without getting into whatever kind of weirdness one can pull with double Aux2Bat. Maybe being able to perma VM a target while dumping out 4 Particle Console Tac Buffed buffed Eject Warp Plasma 1's with Runabout support?

    Fun times, indeed. It's not invincible, but as Fed Ships go, it's gonna have more ways to come at you sideways than just about anything out there.
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  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    eurialo wrote: »
    p2w can be bad, but personally what I hate in pvp is people using bug or ability/items "not working as intended".

    But thats the problem right? all those changes ARE working as intended.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Pay 2 Whine, the newest definition I heard recently for the acronym P2W.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Set 3-Piece power provides Shield and Hull DR up 100% with no diminishing returns scaling on your Aux setting.

    Aux DHC's run entirely off of Aux Power Setting and are [Acc]x2 [Dmg], decent, but not brain-breaking mods.

    The Vesta gets to fly around with its healing, primary weapons, and hangar cranked up to 11 with minimal reason to change power settings on the fly. You put a Sci in it and you mega debuffing all the time with the option of really going nuts with pet spam and still reasonable firepower. Put a Tac in it and you get your healing available at full power while still belting out significant damage and crippling debuffs. All this without getting into whatever kind of weirdness one can pull with double Aux2Bat. Maybe being able to perma VM a target while dumping out 4 Particle Console Tac Buffed buffed Eject Warp Plasma 1's with Runabout support?

    Fun times, indeed. It's not invincible, but as Fed Ships go, it's gonna have more ways to come at you sideways than just about anything out there.

    So far the only real weakness I've noticed is that it suffers from bleed. Amazing timing on the release of that Steamie console, then!
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