Except that it doesn't entirely make sense that energy weapons should have a disadvantage against hull. Hull is physical structure, with no special ability to dissipate energy other than physical properties of the material.
Materials, however, can have very special abilities. Materials e.g. can be super conducting, show heat isolating or heat conducting properties. Materials can even reflect energy (a simple mirror reflects light, which is nothing else then electromagnetic irradiation). Assuming, that the material science in the 25 century is more developed as ours, it can be assumed that hull armor can be designed to withstand energy and particle weapons very well.
Torpedos, on the other hand, can kinetically penetrate the hull and do in this way more damage. Most of the torps in ST are antimatter based. Matter and antimatter react inevitably to form energy. In fact, even small amounts of antimatter carry an enormous potential of destruction. 1 g antimatter reacting with matter produces 180 terajoules of energy, which is the equivalent of 43 kilotons of TNT ... a medium sized tactical atomic warhead. The standard photon torpedo in ST is specified to carry about 1.5 kg antimatter. This amount, however, would probably even strip shields and destory an cruiser size star ship with one shot ;-)
What you are saying is fully true!
The crew system is totally broken and absolutely not logical.
How can a Defiant fly with ZERO Crew, not only flying also fighting and have a passiv hull repair?
And on the other Hand, Cruiser need ages to regenerate, with much higher amounts of available Docs and Nurses. How many of them are on a Escort?
A total easy fix for that is, set the Crew regen on ships with 100 or less, close to zero and scale this up to higher regen rates with larger crews.
Then introduce a new Engi Lt. Cmdr BOFF skill, "Transfer Crew to Ship 1". So Large ships can replenish the lost lost crew on the smaller ships. With that every escort pilot want to have a big ship in his Group and this give the Cruiser are good advantage to be wanted in a group again! With this the cruiser can play his support role instead of stupid lower-Dps tanker which can do this only with 6/9 in Threat Control skill!
However to make this successfull this means also that there must be a negative Impact on effectivness in Combat and everything if the crew is dead or incapactitated.
Reduce every buff, DPS, Boff Skill by half if the Crew is below 10%, like this: reduce the effectiveness by 5% and increase boff reload times by 2% for every 9% crew loss.
This apply to all ships and all classes, so also Cruiser have to deal with that.
So Cruisers don`t have the spike damage in the beginning of a escort, but in a long fight, they loose only a small percentage in effectivness, where the escort loose more.
It is simply stupid that a Escortt with only an Captain, can do the full damage and have the full maneuverability with a crew of none! Then there is also no Doc which can heal on the tiny or "non-existing" Medical Station. Escorts need support for that, Escorts are build for battle not for an war!
But also remove that stupid Kill X% of Crew from Torpedos and Kinetic Damage and replace it with a more logical system.
It is simply not logical that (as an example) 10 torpedos have the same impact on crew on all ships and crew sizes. Like kill Crew with 10 Torps x 10% on a Defiant and on an Ody....
I know that is not exactly reflecting the game parameters, but you get the point!
One thing mention, the largest Damage Dealers in most other MMO Games are not the Fighters, this is the Mage Class, which are dying like flies if the are hit, because they are made from paper and are protected by paperthin paper.
It feels like the whole tac = Fighter, Engi= Supporter, Sci = Healer/Debuffer is not working anymore. The Tacs can heal like hell even in an escort. The Engi can support which what skills? Uhm let me think, there is none (except the one Captain Skill)... why are they called supporter????
Every Skill can also be used from Tac and Sci because these are only Boff Skill?
Which Engi Boff Commander Skill can be used to support others???
The only definition that works well (more or less) is the SCI, which is also somewhat broken, because a SCI is simply not on par with his debuff/crowd control abilities compared to the missing DPS compared to the Tac.
To be honest, at this moment STO simply don`t need Engi`s and Sci Captains and other ships then escorts. Because everything can be done by Tac in Escorts*!
If this is not meaning that somehting is broken...
*And most of the time a group of 5 Tac/Escort group is better than a 4 Tac/escort group with a non-tac/non-escort and much better if the amount of Tac/escort decreases more than this.
Torpedos should do more damage to shields plan and simple. Possibly tie torpedo recharge times to crew.
Crew regen rate should be set as a percent per second based on initial crew size and more abilities should have thier effects tied to current crew size.
Heals should be affected by either crew size, or percentage based on shied/hull size.
Materials, however, can have very special abilities. ;-)
True. It would make sense that any vessel designed for space travel would have materials designed to protect it from said enviroment as much as possible.
This begs the question how are the TacTeam, SciTeams and EngTeams getting through shields to help other players?
If you know a ships shield frequencies you can get a transporter beam through them with ease, alternatively you can piggyback a transporter signal onto a comm channel
If you know a ships shield frequencies you can get a transporter beam through them with ease, alternatively you can piggyback a transporter signal onto a comm channel
Granted thats true if the codes of every starship in the fleet is kept in records on every ship, which has been shown true by Kirk once when He lowered the shields of the vessel Kahn hijacked.
Though it still seems wonky to me to be doing such to transport people in combat. I wonder how many lifes have been lost in STO due to the untimely arrival of a team of helpful friends right before a vessel exploded?
I wonder if a BOff ability could be made to represent an enemy stealing your codes?
I wonder if a BOff ability could be made to represent an enemy stealing your codes?
I suppose you could make it a side effect of VM... The other question is the borg's assimilate ship... they can always seem to beam through your shields
Materials, however, can have very special abilities. Materials e.g. can be super conducting, show heat isolating or heat conducting properties. Materials can even reflect energy (a simple mirror reflects light, which is nothing else then electromagnetic irradiation). Assuming, that the material science in the 25 century is more developed as ours, it can be assumed that hull armor can be designed to withstand energy and particle weapons very well.
And, as I said, you can always equip Armor consoles to reflect that special materials are in use to deal with special energy resistance.
Why should we assume that all hulls are specially resistant to energy?
The Enterprise NX was an armored ship, I believe, reflecting the fact that they didn't have shields.
Should a freighter have the same energy resistance as a warship? I don't think so.
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True. It would make sense that any vessel designed for space travel would have materials designed to protect it from said enviroment as much as possible.
Environment, sure.
Directed energy weapons, perhaps not so much.
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Really? Considering how much unrestrained and raw energy can fly around in space at a given moment to strike a vessel, I would think energy dispurtion, absorption or reflection would be on the "need" list during the design phase nad such a design feature would offer some inherent defense.
I suppose you could make it a side effect of VM... The other question is the borg's assimilate ship... they can always seem to beam through your shields
Possibly they just run through all known frequencies when they Transport?
Possibly they just run through all known frequencies when they Transport?
Nah, whatever you are transporting would bounce off the shields and they would detect any successful transport causing them to remodulate forcing you to start again. whereas you use VM on a ship and it feeds back the shield frequencies although that would be overpowered because you can remodulate weaponry to cut directly through shields then making the stat worthless
And, as I said, you can always equip Armor consoles to reflect that special materials are in use to deal with special energy resistance.
Why should we assume that all hulls are specially resistant to energy?
The Enterprise NX was an armored ship, I believe, reflecting the fact that they didn't have shields.
Should a freighter have the same energy resistance as a warship? I don't think so.
I have to admit, that is a valid point. We have to differ between the amount of damage a hull can take because of it sheer sizes and the amount of damage the a hull can withstand without being majorly damaged because of its armor.
So, then the logical step would be to increase the damage resistance of armor consoles against energy weapons, while keeping the kinetic armor values at the same level.
At the same time, hull values of cruisers should be moderately increased, so that these ship types profit more from a higher damage reduction than smaler escorts. IMHO the hull of the Galaxy or Sovergein cruiser should be minimum double as high as the hull of the defaint.
Another intresting system would be to give armor not a flat damage reduction but a health condition like for shields and hull and add a layered penetration system based on the condition of the highest layer.
Meaning: A starship takes shield damage. Based on the condition of the shield an amount of damage is given to the armor. If the shield fails, the damage goes directly on armor (like now on the hull). Based on the condition of the armor, damage goes to the hull, or better named as ship damage. Shields regenerate fast, armor already slower (slower than now hull damage can be reapaired) and hull/ship reapair would be quite time consumptive and could only be performed out of combat. Based on the damage on the hull/ship, there could be some malfunctions, e.g. lower energy output, decreaded total shield strenght, decreased weapon damage.
IMHO, this would make the damage system more intresting. But I doubt that Cryptic/PWE would introduce such a system ...
I have to admit, that is a valid point. We have to differ between the amount of damage a hull can take because of it sheer sizes and the amount of damage the a hull can withstand without being majorly damaged because of its armor.
So, then the logical step would be to increase the damage resistance of armor consoles against energy weapons, while keeping the kinetic armor values at the same level.
Kahless knows thats for true. I'm tired of losing a percentage of my single Armor console due to diminishing returns. Its a vlaued Nuetronium at 17.5% that reads aproximately 12% when equipped. That makes no sense in the high DPS world of PewPew online. That missing percentage is needed.
Kahless knows thats for true. I'm tired of losing a percentage of my single Armor console due to diminishing returns. Its a vlaued Nuetronium at 17.5% that reads aproximately 12% when equipped. That makes no sense in the high DPS world of PewPew online. That missing percentage is needed.
The only catch here is that it would be easy to get 100% resist, and then you're invincible. I agree that the engineering consoles are a little weak. Maybe buff them so that hull resistance actually matters and is something you can increase to the point that you can survive without shields. I mean for crying out loud, I have the hull armor and kinetic resist skills maxed on my engi, and with 4 MK XI blue neutroniums, I still can only get up to 44% resist. Which against the borg is almost meaningless. And against players? Yeah, don't even bother. And here's the even bigger catch. Again, with defensive skills maxed, and with 4 mk XII PURPLE neutronium, I can only get my resists up to 47%. That's +80 to all energy and kinetic resist, with maxed skills. And with that I can only get up to 47%? Seriously? That's just wrong if you ask me.
With that +80 resist I would prefer to get at least 60% hull resist... And with the +70 resist from the 4 mk XI I would like at least 50% resist. Consider this: With 4 mk XII consoles that are specific, you can get up to 200 resist with a 5 console ship. That still only nets you 75% resistance to damage. And only a very specific damage. Which renders tanking a lot harder. Not impossible, but harder. However, thankfully the tier 4 omega shield passive makes tanking a lot less painful.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
The only catch here is that it would be easy to get 100% resist, and then you're invincible.
I only want the diminishing returns to not effect the first console placed as it automatically devalues it against nothing else.
As one puts more consoles past the first on a build the diminishing returns can function as normal, so I do lose a little for having two or three of the same console.
As it stands now if I placed 4 completely different consoles to say covers a little of all teh energy types I lose effectiveness on each to a phantasm diminishing return that should not take effect until the 2nd of any type is placed on the build.
for example;
I have 1 Nuetronium, 1 Monotanium and two Ablative armors on a build.
I should see the Nuetronium as a 17.5% value on my ship before any skills are applied, not as a 12.5% value since this is the only Nuet I am equiping.
I should see the Monotnium as a 35% value on my ship before any skills are applied, not as a 27.5% value since I only have one equipped.
The Two Ablatives should suffer from a diminishing return effect on the second but not the first.
Curently this is not, in my experience, how this works in the game. We get penalized for using the first console alone just as we would if we had two equipped.
I only want the diminishing returns to not effect the first console placed as it automatically devalues it against nothing else.
As one puts more consoles past the first on a build the diminishing returns can function as normal, so I do lose a little for having two or three of the same console.
As it stands now if I placed 4 completely different consoles to say covers a little of all teh energy types I lose effectiveness on each to a phantasm diminishing return that should not take effect until the 2nd of any type is placed on the build.
for example;
I have 1 Nuetronium, 1 Monotanium and two Ablative armors on a build.
I should see the Nuetronium as a 17.5% value on my ship before any skills are applied, not as a 12.5% value since this is the only Nuet I am equiping.
I should see the Monotnium as a 35% value on my ship before any skills are applied, not as a 27.5% value since I only have one equipped.
The Two Ablatives should suffer from a diminishing return effect on the second but not the first.
Curently this is not, in my experience, how this works in the game. We get penalized for using the first console alone just as we would if we had two equipped.
Fundemental error - you're looking at the consoles and seeing percent values when they're integer values (at one point the tooltips did mistakenly have a "%" appended, but that's been fixed last I saw). That's the way the diminishing returns work on the armor consoles - they don't give you a percentage resist, but an integer value that's plugged into a formula somewhere in the background.
TBH, I'd prefer if they swapped the armor consoles over to a one console per ship (ablative, monotanium, neutronium are each different consoles and can all be equipped to the same ship, but no more than one of each) with a flat +% damage resist, but that'd cause critical whine mass because people could no longer have multiple neutroniums.
FAW was indeed better once upon a time, but it has always been more akin to cannon scatter volley skill than the rapid cannon fire skill. I'm not sure what the best approach would be here.
Point B is where I believe we should focus more attention for beam arrays. The options to improve this could possibly be:
a) Eliminate range damage drop off entirely so the damage is always consistent.
b) Reduce the range damage drop off and also increase the damage as the target gets closer. This would give beams more punch.
c) Give beams more range so they have a longer engagement range.
d) Add an additional volley to the firing cycle to increase damage output.
Posters have also suggested heavy beam arrays for cruisers that would work more like heavy cannons giving more spike damage potential.
This would be a step in the right direction
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The funny thing is that my fleet Nova maxed out could keep up with my maxed out Fleet Excelsior if the Nova swapped the ensign sci for an ensign eng and took a copy of EPtW...
This makes me think to myself "Really?" We all know the Excelsior is one of the highest end DPS cruisers in the game and yet a science ship is keeping up on the damage and has more ability to mess with enemies and can hold together for almost as long in pvp.
Then there is the DHC that it equivalent to 2 beam arrays and is more efficient with power and buffs which makes them even more powerful. I think their buffs need a drawback, beams need a slight buff (5-10%) and the buffs for those need a rethink on the basis of cannons having been developed to produce "equivalent damage to beams".
Not surprising. I have long been unsure of how the inner working of the armor worked.
Still how could one every reach Cap in any one resistance given how they work?
I still contend that the idea of Hull offering a small inherent damage resist based on vessel Hull size is a good idea to lessen the occurence of attacks that take one from 100% to 1% in a single pass.
a) Eliminate range damage drop off entirely so the damage is always consistent.
b) Reduce the range damage drop off and also increase the damage as the target gets closer. This would give beams more punch.
Having consistant damage at any range and giving the beams more damage as one gets closer to target is inconsistent and too powerful.
They would hit the same at 10km or 1km and hit harder as one closed range????
c) Give beams more range so they have a longer engagement range.
And then this makes them sniper weapons. All one has to do is constantly run from the Target and kite them to death with damage that does not depriciate over range.
The only catch here is that it would be easy to get 100% resist, and then you're invincible. I agree that the engineering consoles are a little weak. Maybe buff them so that hull resistance actually matters and is something you can increase to the point that you can survive without shields. I mean for crying out loud, I have the hull armor and kinetic resist skills maxed on my engi, and with 4 MK XI blue neutroniums, I still can only get up to 44% resist. Which against the borg is almost meaningless.
To avoid 100% resistance, a hard cap could be introduced at 80%. Beside, even with 100% energy resistance, you would still take damage by kinetic damage.
Fix commander level engineering skils to match Tactical skills in effectiviness
Effectiveness how?
Auxiliary to Structural III, is a really great heal to cycle and works well.
Boarding Party III, needs to be killed and replaced with something else.
Directed Energy Modulation III, works great already.
Extend Shields III, The goto Healer ability to keep someone alive under fire.
Reverse Shield Polarity III, have no idea if anyone uses this.
Aceton Beam III, could use some more punch.
Eject Warp Plasma III, is scary effective.
Engineering team I II III should be buffed like tactical team made more useful
I think both Science and Engineering teams need a look at.
And then this makes them sniper weapons. All one has to do is constantly run from the Target and kite them to death with damage that does not depriciate over range.
I do not agree with this idea.
The idea is that the drop off is reduced not eliminated, maybe extend the range to 15Km with the damage and drop off modified to get the current 10km dmg from 15km.
This would give the extra range safe to add to the game without making beams overpowered
To avoid 100% resistance, a hard cap could be introduced at 80%. Beside, even with 100% energy resistance, you would still take damage by kinetic damage.
There already is a hard cap at 75%.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Hull resistance is already laughably easy to keep high depending on build but still ineffective because of how low hull values are combined with the lower heal amounts compared to shields. Especially when you take into account passive shield regeneration which can be quite significant at high shield power levels that most use compared to passive hull regeneration after your crew all dies to a plasma fire. Remember total base amounts mean very little in real gameplay it is the heal/regen amounts combined with high resist amounts that lead to effective tanking. EPTS + Extend = amazing.
Now if say, a console similar to the field generator for hull was introduced, or even better dual armor consoles that provided both armor and increased hull total and/or hull heals like I'm sure the next starbase addition will have those could change everything. Especially with a new tier of ships that have more base hull/shield but no increase in boff ability effectiveness like the fleet ships do but that won't be till season 10 I'm sure.
On the positive side the new rep passives scale with the ship's maximum hull.
Having consistant damage at any range and giving the beams more damage as one gets closer to target is inconsistent and too powerful.
They would hit the same at 10km or 1km and hit harder as one closed range????
And then this makes them sniper weapons. All one has to do is constantly run from the Target and kite them to death with damage that does not depriciate over range.
I do not agree with this idea.
Just to clarify things, these ideas were not meant to be mutually inclusive. They were meant to be individual possible options. All of those options at once would obviously be overpowered.
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Materials, however, can have very special abilities. Materials e.g. can be super conducting, show heat isolating or heat conducting properties. Materials can even reflect energy (a simple mirror reflects light, which is nothing else then electromagnetic irradiation). Assuming, that the material science in the 25 century is more developed as ours, it can be assumed that hull armor can be designed to withstand energy and particle weapons very well.
Torpedos, on the other hand, can kinetically penetrate the hull and do in this way more damage. Most of the torps in ST are antimatter based. Matter and antimatter react inevitably to form energy. In fact, even small amounts of antimatter carry an enormous potential of destruction. 1 g antimatter reacting with matter produces 180 terajoules of energy, which is the equivalent of 43 kilotons of TNT ... a medium sized tactical atomic warhead. The standard photon torpedo in ST is specified to carry about 1.5 kg antimatter. This amount, however, would probably even strip shields and destory an cruiser size star ship with one shot ;-)
What you are saying is fully true!
The crew system is totally broken and absolutely not logical.
How can a Defiant fly with ZERO Crew, not only flying also fighting and have a passiv hull repair?
And on the other Hand, Cruiser need ages to regenerate, with much higher amounts of available Docs and Nurses. How many of them are on a Escort?
A total easy fix for that is, set the Crew regen on ships with 100 or less, close to zero and scale this up to higher regen rates with larger crews.
Then introduce a new Engi Lt. Cmdr BOFF skill, "Transfer Crew to Ship 1". So Large ships can replenish the lost lost crew on the smaller ships. With that every escort pilot want to have a big ship in his Group and this give the Cruiser are good advantage to be wanted in a group again! With this the cruiser can play his support role instead of stupid lower-Dps tanker which can do this only with 6/9 in Threat Control skill!
However to make this successfull this means also that there must be a negative Impact on effectivness in Combat and everything if the crew is dead or incapactitated.
Reduce every buff, DPS, Boff Skill by half if the Crew is below 10%, like this: reduce the effectiveness by 5% and increase boff reload times by 2% for every 9% crew loss.
This apply to all ships and all classes, so also Cruiser have to deal with that.
So Cruisers don`t have the spike damage in the beginning of a escort, but in a long fight, they loose only a small percentage in effectivness, where the escort loose more.
It is simply stupid that a Escortt with only an Captain, can do the full damage and have the full maneuverability with a crew of none! Then there is also no Doc which can heal on the tiny or "non-existing" Medical Station. Escorts need support for that, Escorts are build for battle not for an war!
But also remove that stupid Kill X% of Crew from Torpedos and Kinetic Damage and replace it with a more logical system.
It is simply not logical that (as an example) 10 torpedos have the same impact on crew on all ships and crew sizes. Like kill Crew with 10 Torps x 10% on a Defiant and on an Ody....
I know that is not exactly reflecting the game parameters, but you get the point!
One thing mention, the largest Damage Dealers in most other MMO Games are not the Fighters, this is the Mage Class, which are dying like flies if the are hit, because they are made from paper and are protected by paperthin paper.
It feels like the whole tac = Fighter, Engi= Supporter, Sci = Healer/Debuffer is not working anymore. The Tacs can heal like hell even in an escort. The Engi can support which what skills? Uhm let me think, there is none (except the one Captain Skill)... why are they called supporter????
Every Skill can also be used from Tac and Sci because these are only Boff Skill?
Which Engi Boff Commander Skill can be used to support others???
The only definition that works well (more or less) is the SCI, which is also somewhat broken, because a SCI is simply not on par with his debuff/crowd control abilities compared to the missing DPS compared to the Tac.
To be honest, at this moment STO simply don`t need Engi`s and Sci Captains and other ships then escorts. Because everything can be done by Tac in Escorts*!
If this is not meaning that somehting is broken...
*And most of the time a group of 5 Tac/Escort group is better than a 4 Tac/escort group with a non-tac/non-escort and much better if the amount of Tac/escort decreases more than this.
Crew regen rate should be set as a percent per second based on initial crew size and more abilities should have thier effects tied to current crew size.
Heals should be affected by either crew size, or percentage based on shied/hull size.
True. It would make sense that any vessel designed for space travel would have materials designed to protect it from said enviroment as much as possible.
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Granted thats true if the codes of every starship in the fleet is kept in records on every ship, which has been shown true by Kirk once when He lowered the shields of the vessel Kahn hijacked.
Though it still seems wonky to me to be doing such to transport people in combat. I wonder how many lifes have been lost in STO due to the untimely arrival of a team of helpful friends right before a vessel exploded?
I wonder if a BOff ability could be made to represent an enemy stealing your codes?
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I suppose you could make it a side effect of VM... The other question is the borg's assimilate ship... they can always seem to beam through your shields
And, as I said, you can always equip Armor consoles to reflect that special materials are in use to deal with special energy resistance.
Why should we assume that all hulls are specially resistant to energy?
The Enterprise NX was an armored ship, I believe, reflecting the fact that they didn't have shields.
Should a freighter have the same energy resistance as a warship? I don't think so.
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Environment, sure.
Directed energy weapons, perhaps not so much.
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Really? Considering how much unrestrained and raw energy can fly around in space at a given moment to strike a vessel, I would think energy dispurtion, absorption or reflection would be on the "need" list during the design phase nad such a design feature would offer some inherent defense.
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Possibly they just run through all known frequencies when they Transport?
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Nah, whatever you are transporting would bounce off the shields and they would detect any successful transport causing them to remodulate forcing you to start again. whereas you use VM on a ship and it feeds back the shield frequencies although that would be overpowered because you can remodulate weaponry to cut directly through shields then making the stat worthless
I have to admit, that is a valid point. We have to differ between the amount of damage a hull can take because of it sheer sizes and the amount of damage the a hull can withstand without being majorly damaged because of its armor.
So, then the logical step would be to increase the damage resistance of armor consoles against energy weapons, while keeping the kinetic armor values at the same level.
At the same time, hull values of cruisers should be moderately increased, so that these ship types profit more from a higher damage reduction than smaler escorts. IMHO the hull of the Galaxy or Sovergein cruiser should be minimum double as high as the hull of the defaint.
Another intresting system would be to give armor not a flat damage reduction but a health condition like for shields and hull and add a layered penetration system based on the condition of the highest layer.
Meaning: A starship takes shield damage. Based on the condition of the shield an amount of damage is given to the armor. If the shield fails, the damage goes directly on armor (like now on the hull). Based on the condition of the armor, damage goes to the hull, or better named as ship damage. Shields regenerate fast, armor already slower (slower than now hull damage can be reapaired) and hull/ship reapair would be quite time consumptive and could only be performed out of combat. Based on the damage on the hull/ship, there could be some malfunctions, e.g. lower energy output, decreaded total shield strenght, decreased weapon damage.
IMHO, this would make the damage system more intresting. But I doubt that Cryptic/PWE would introduce such a system ...
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The only catch here is that it would be easy to get 100% resist, and then you're invincible. I agree that the engineering consoles are a little weak. Maybe buff them so that hull resistance actually matters and is something you can increase to the point that you can survive without shields. I mean for crying out loud, I have the hull armor and kinetic resist skills maxed on my engi, and with 4 MK XI blue neutroniums, I still can only get up to 44% resist. Which against the borg is almost meaningless. And against players? Yeah, don't even bother. And here's the even bigger catch. Again, with defensive skills maxed, and with 4 mk XII PURPLE neutronium, I can only get my resists up to 47%. That's +80 to all energy and kinetic resist, with maxed skills. And with that I can only get up to 47%? Seriously? That's just wrong if you ask me.
With that +80 resist I would prefer to get at least 60% hull resist... And with the +70 resist from the 4 mk XI I would like at least 50% resist. Consider this: With 4 mk XII consoles that are specific, you can get up to 200 resist with a 5 console ship. That still only nets you 75% resistance to damage. And only a very specific damage. Which renders tanking a lot harder. Not impossible, but harder. However, thankfully the tier 4 omega shield passive makes tanking a lot less painful.
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This would be a step in the right direction
Fix commander level engineering skils to match Tactical skills in effectiviness
Engineering team I II III should be buffed like tactical team made more useful
Shared cooldowns in engineering should be looked at again
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This makes me think to myself "Really?" We all know the Excelsior is one of the highest end DPS cruisers in the game and yet a science ship is keeping up on the damage and has more ability to mess with enemies and can hold together for almost as long in pvp.
Then there is the DHC that it equivalent to 2 beam arrays and is more efficient with power and buffs which makes them even more powerful. I think their buffs need a drawback, beams need a slight buff (5-10%) and the buffs for those need a rethink on the basis of cannons having been developed to produce "equivalent damage to beams".
Its not so much as resilience to energy, but more the point that an energy weapon would more of a "piercing" nature than a kinetic (torpedo) would.
Beam arrays and DBB should be the most "piercing" weapons of the game,
Cannon type weapons in the midlands (not as focused, more sizable balls of damage) a sort of hybrid
Torpedos and mines highly kinetic (explosions)
High Pierce weapons should do the most damage to shields and least to hull
High Kinetic weapons should do the most hull damage and least to shields.
Does that make more sense?
Not surprising. I have long been unsure of how the inner working of the armor worked.
Still how could one every reach Cap in any one resistance given how they work?
I still contend that the idea of Hull offering a small inherent damage resist based on vessel Hull size is a good idea to lessen the occurence of attacks that take one from 100% to 1% in a single pass.
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To avoid 100% resistance, a hard cap could be introduced at 80%. Beside, even with 100% energy resistance, you would still take damage by kinetic damage.
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The idea is that the drop off is reduced not eliminated, maybe extend the range to 15Km with the damage and drop off modified to get the current 10km dmg from 15km.
This would give the extra range safe to add to the game without making beams overpowered
There already is a hard cap at 75%.
Now if say, a console similar to the field generator for hull was introduced, or even better dual armor consoles that provided both armor and increased hull total and/or hull heals like I'm sure the next starbase addition will have those could change everything. Especially with a new tier of ships that have more base hull/shield but no increase in boff ability effectiveness like the fleet ships do but that won't be till season 10 I'm sure.
On the positive side the new rep passives scale with the ship's maximum hull.