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Fleet Soveriegn & Excelsior

admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
edited November 2012 in Federation Discussion
Hi,

My fleet has just built the lvl 3 shipyard and there are no Cruisers made avaliable only the Defiant and the Nebula and various science vessels.

As the Metroen Gas cannister mentions it can be equipped on a Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit I have a few questions therefore.

1/ When is the Fleet Assualt Cruiser Retrofit due to be released.

2/ Will there be a Fleet Advanced Cruiser Retrofit?

3/ When/if released will these be put in at the lvl 3 shipyard to provide cruiser options which seem to be missing here.

Thanks.
Andy.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    1) Whenever they feel like it, it's not on Tribble yet/again (it was in the list prior to S6 launching on Holodeck), so it going to be a bit before it's out is my guess.

    2) Probably not, the Excelsior looks wrong to be fighting on even footing with ships so much newer.

    3) I think it was either Tier 3 or 4 when it was on Tribble prior to being removed.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Fleet Excelsior probably wont happen. However the fleet heavy cruiser retrofit should have had Exelsior layout...
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    tom61sto wrote: »
    2) Probably not, the Excelsior looks wrong to be fighting on even footing with ships so much newer.

    There is nothing wrong with the Excelsior fighting alongside newer ships, it seems to me it's the single most successful design in starfleet history, 200 years of its use says that, why shouldn't fleets refit it?

    Personally I think the fleet shipyard should work a little differently:
    Rather than buying ships for modules, there should be a limit (perhaps 4) on how many changes you can make to the ship choosing from a list of available options. Perhaps each change could cost 1 module thus retaining their 'value' and each change would affect something else such as:
    1: Tac console would affect ship health and turn rate
    2: Eng console would affect ship health, resists and (maybe) power
    3: Sci console would affect shields, other science stuff and (maybe) turn rate
    4: Turn rate would affect health (and vice versa)
    (And many more I can't currently think of)

    But I think that would work brilliantly allowing you to make a non-fleet ship into a fleet ship that does to the current ships as C-store ships did before F2P
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    adamkafei wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with the Excelsior fighting alongside newer ships, it seems to me it's the single most successful design in starfleet history, 200 years of its use says that, why shouldn't fleets refit it?

    Personally I think the fleet shipyard should work a little differently:
    Rather than buying ships for modules, there should be a limit (perhaps 4) on how many changes you can make to the ship choosing from a list of available options. Perhaps each change could cost 1 module thus retaining their 'value' and each change would affect something else such as:
    1: Tac console would affect ship health and turn rate
    2: Eng console would affect ship health, resists and (maybe) power
    3: Sci console would affect shields, other science stuff and (maybe) turn rate
    4: Turn rate would affect health (and vice versa)
    (And many more I can't currently think of)

    But I think that would work brilliantly allowing you to make a non-fleet ship into a fleet ship that does to the current ships as C-store ships did before F2P

    There were many ideas regarding refiting ships much like the one your proposed. Something you would do as you level up. But Cryptic's tech does not allow that.
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  • martakurillmartakurill Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    edited November 2012

    As the Metroen Gas cannister mentions it can be equipped on a Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit I have a few questions therefore.

    1/ When is the Fleet Assualt Cruiser Retrofit due to be released.

    I beg Cryptic to please correct me otherwise, but I cannot see any solid reason as to why they haven't "flipped the switch" and added this ship to the game.

    I personally believe that they might be thinking "Hey, the Vesta is coming out, we don't want to compete with ourselves for ships sales."

    HOWEVER, as far as I am concerned, the customer base for these two sheets is mutually exclusive. I will purchase a Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit. I will NOT consider purchasing the Vesta. That ship, the Vesta, simply does not match my play style. It is a science ship. I like cruisers. So, please, someone give me another reason we don't have this ship yet! :confused:
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If released, it will be probably tier 5 ship....so...far far in the future.
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  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Fleet Excelsior probably wont happen. However the fleet heavy cruiser retrofit should have had Exelsior layout...

    Fleet heavy cruiser retro already has issues that need to be worked out before we get ambitious with it. Namely: it needs the 42K hull and 1.1X shield multiplier that other fleet cruisers get. I don't know if it's an oversight or part of their plan to sell more Regents by withholding the fleet assault cruiser and ships like it, but it's pretty ridiculous that they offer a fleet ship that has objectively worse stats than other ships that cost the same resources.
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    In STO canon the only dictator of tech is size and shape. It makes perfect sense that some hoity toity Admiral would want an Excelsior shell with tip top equipment. Both of these ships need fleet versions asap.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    momaw wrote: »
    Fleet heavy cruiser retro already has issues that need to be worked out before we get ambitious with it. Namely: it needs the 42K hull and 1.1X shield multiplier that other fleet cruisers get. I don't know if it's an oversight or part of their plan to sell more Regents by withholding the fleet assault cruiser and ships like it, but it's pretty ridiculous that they offer a fleet ship that has objectively worse stats than other ships that cost the same resources.

    i know it is not the answer you expected or comment you wanted, but it has 8 turnrate. still low, but thats the reason for the weaker stats.
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  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    As someone flying a Fleet D7 TOS K't'inga KDF-side, I think Cryptic have already given themselves no excuses whatsover for leaving the Excelsior out of the Fleet Refit party :)
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  • decker03decker03 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    momaw wrote: »
    Fleet heavy cruiser retro already has issues that need to be worked out before we get ambitious with it. Namely: it needs the 42K hull and 1.1X shield multiplier that other fleet cruisers get. I don't know if it's an oversight or part of their plan to sell more Regents by withholding the fleet assault cruiser and ships like it, but it's pretty ridiculous that they offer a fleet ship that has objectively worse stats than other ships that cost the same resources.

    Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofits are fleet versions of a T3 ship, so like all other fleet versions of T2 and T3 ships it's shield capacity is better than the actual shield mod says. With lower cap shields like Omega or Borg (maybe even Maco) and without Field Generators it actually has a higher capacity than the Fleet Star Cruiser. Hull Points are slightly less but the difference is completly irrelevant. They are already the +1 or +1.5 Sovereign, not only thanks to a turn rate of 8.

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  • decker03decker03 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    As someone flying a Fleet D7 TOS K't'inga KDF-side, I think Cryptic have already given themselves no excuses whatsover for leaving the Excelsior out of the Fleet Refit party :)

    The excuse is, I think, that the Excelsior has a build in power and not a console and thus people would get her special power without having to buy theC-Store version. I'm not quite sure why it is difficult to add a purchased Excelsior as prerequisite to get a Fleet Excelsior (or every other ship with a build in power), but I guess Cryptic would find an argument if they'd actually care.

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  • admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    decker03 wrote: »
    The excuse is, I think, that the Excelsior has a build in power and not a console and thus people would get her special power without having to buy theC-Store version. I'm not quite sure why it is difficult to add a purchased Excelsior as prerequisite to get a Fleet Excelsior (or every other ship with a build in power), but I guess Cryptic would find an argument if they'd actually care.

    I believe that any ship with the FLEET designation requires a fleet module which would entail a c-store purchase.


    I did not think asking such questions would stimulate a lively but good natured debate. :)

    Clearly there are three camps about the Excelsior those who are indifferent, those who like it and those who don't. Ultimately it would be for the game Devs to decide if it should be in or not and what congfiguration. As its comparable for a shooty cruiser having LT. Cmdr Station as does the Fleet Regent would make sense both ships are avaliable at the T3.

    T1 & 2 provide Hvy Cruisers and Star Cruisers, also T4 has the Fleet Exploration Cruiser, T5 Oddy, so T3 we have nada zip zero on the cruisers front and there is a clear ingame link to FLEET Assault Cruiser Retrofit (Assuming would be a Regent Refit).


    As for how the hvy cruiser does fly it with an engineer and use particle generators in its sci slots to boost, eject warp plasma, aceton beam, and I use Isometric Charge which also gets a boost from these. Engy Character gives more endurance to the Hvy Cruiser especially with lvl 2 Reverse Polarity. But thats just my engy build.


    Interesting to hear there was some build out there which was withdrawn.
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