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Well, Feds really only need one more ship...

mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited November 2012 in Federation Discussion
...and no more after that. I'm not counting lockbox ships though with this. I also don't count small craft, since those are mostly used in only a few things. Anyways, here's why:

Feds have ships that can do any role. They have 'pure' ships that basically serve one function and no other (like the Defiant, which does lots of pew pew, and little else). Then they have more hybrid ships as well. Generally I consider this at least a vessel of one type, with a Lt. Cmdr slot of a different class on it. Along with that, they also have the 'versatile' classes, which have a Cdmr of one class, but have a Lt. Cmdr and Ensign universal.

Pure Fed cruiser: Galaxy Retrofit.
Tactical Fed cruisers: Regent and Excelsior
Science Fed cruiser: None atm (Odyssey doesn't count, explained below)
Versatile Fed Cruiser: Odyssey variants

Pure Fed escort: Defiant-R
Engineering Fed Escort: Armitage
Science Fed Escort: Multi-Vector
Versatile Fed Escort: Chimera (1000 Day vets and lifers only, but it counts I feel)

Pure Fed sci ship: Voyager-R
Tactical Fed sci ship: Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit (only one I found)
Engineering Fed sci ship: Nebula-R and D'kyr
Versatile Fed sci ship: Vesta variants (to be released soon)

So...with one exception, the Fed side has a ship for virtually any role now, regardless of anything else. And I am not including lockbox ships, and only one Fleet ship.

As for not including the Odyssey, despite it's more science-leaning capabilities, I didn't do that because it IS universal slots, you don't have to slot engineering, but you don't have to slot sci or tac if you don't want to. There is no Fed cruiser with a Lt. Cmdr Sci.

My point from all this, is once the Fed side does have a cruiser with a Lt. Cmdr science slot, they won't need anymore ships.

Now I doubt I'll be changing anything, just bringing up a point of just how many ships the Fed side does have, and they really have few 'niche' roles left to fill. The only thing they don't have is a pure Universal ship, and I hope that never happens.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well feds get everything and kdf doesn't get nothing...don't even have a pure science ship except for a c store ship which got the shaft on because of no fleet version because of some odd flimsy excuse.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well feds get everything and kdf doesn't get nothing...don't even have a pure science ship except for a c store ship which got the shaft on because of no fleet version because of some odd flimsy excuse.

    Agreed. That is part of the reason why I made this thread.

    The main part is the fact that there is a ship for nearly every niche now in the game on the Fed side, short of that cruiser with a Lt. Cmdr science.

    I'd also like to point out that now the Federation side has at least two ships of each main class with 5 consoles in one area:

    5 engineering: Fleet Galaxy and Engineering Odyssey
    5 Science: Fleet Voyager and Science Vesta
    5 Tactical: Fleet Defiant, Fleet Advanced Escort

    By comparison for the KDF:

    5 Engineering: Fleet Negh'var and Engineering Bortas
    5 Tactical: Tactical Bortas
    5 Science: None
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Well feds get everything and kdf doesn't get nothing...don't even have a pure science ship except for a c store ship which got the shaft on because of no fleet version because of some odd flimsy excuse.

    Well, technically the Vo'Quv is a science vessel, and 1-2 other ship types. . .but they're effectively cruisers (meaning they have trouble using sci skills that require you to be aimed at the target), and just aren't optimal sci ships.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well, technically the Vo'Quv is a science vessel, and 1-2 other ship types. . .but they're effectively cruisers (meaning they have trouble using sci skills that require you to be aimed at the target), and just aren't optimal sci ships.

    As well the VoQ also lacks the inherent Science Vesel trait of Sensor Analysis.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think this Klingon rant is in the wrong section? I think it should be in Klingon Gamplay section.

    Everyone already knows the next ship will be a Fed ship. Mr Stahl has clearly said making a Klingon ship for the C-store is NOT "economically viable".
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2012
    doesnt mean they wont do it anyway
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    doesnt mean they wont do it anyway

    So many KDF players think I am anti-KDF but it's simplely not true - I would love for them to make a Vor'cha style sci ship for the KDF side. I have looked over all end-game KDF ships at least a dozen times trying to find one that I like(or trying to convince myself that I could use it) But the fact is there is nothing there that interests me look wise. I like the Kafri stats and layout but it's just way too frankenstein for me.

    At the end of the day after looking through what is there I am happy with the free heavy Bop I got at lvl 40 for my toons - that is the sad part - that the free ship is one of the best.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well, then I call the layout of the Ambassador right here and now: Commander Engineering, LC Science, Lt Tactical, Lt Science, Ensign Universal.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I think this Klingon rant is in the wrong section? I think it should be in Klingon Gamplay section.

    Everyone already knows the next ship will be a Fed ship. Mr Stahl has clearly said making a Klingon ship for the C-store is NOT "economically viable".

    This isn't so much about a lack of Klingon ships, regardless of what might've been posted by me. It's more about how the Feds have SO many ships, they nearly have a ship for virtually any role you could possibly want to have regardless of anything else.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    This isn't so much about a lack of Klingon ships, regardless of what might've been posted by me. It's more about how the Feds have SO many ships, they nearly have a ship for virtually any role you could possibly want to have regardless of anything else.

    I have stated many times in many threads that I would love a Klingon style c-store ships - maybe a Vor'cha style Sci ship - but the fact is they are not going to make one(most likely)

    And it is simple business - why make ship B which cost the same as Ship A - if Ship A will sell 10x as many??

    There is just no way a business which has to report to shareholders can justify selling something when they know they could sell something else for the same input resources and get 10x the return.

    PWE and its shareholders don't give a rats TRIBBLE if KDF players are pissed off about not getting a ship unless they can put up the same money as the Fed side does.

    There is NO fairness in Capitalism - only Money
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I have stated many times in many threads that I would love a Klingon style c-store ships - maybe a Vor'cha style Sci ship - but the fact is they are not going to make one(most likely)

    And it is simple business - why make ship B which cost the same as Ship A - if Ship A will sell 10x as many??

    There is just no way a business which has to report to shareholders can justify selling something when they know they could sell something else for the same input resources and get 10x the return.

    PWE and its shareholders don't give a rats TRIBBLE if KDF players are pissed off about not getting a ship unless they can put up the same money as the Fed side does.

    There is NO fairness in Capitalism - only Money

    I'd like that as well, a KDF sci ship besides a Fleet version, a carrier, or the Varanus.

    I'm not arguing the point of the KDF not getting the ship because of the overused reason of 'not fiancially viable' at all. We've all heard it a hundred times before.

    All I'm saying with this thread is that Feds have nearly any ship for any choice of playstyle, sans the cruiser with a Lt. Cmdr sci (btw Timelord, love that Ambassador layout).

    I suppose in a way, I'm saying they should get this new ship so that way this circle is complete, and they will need no more ships.

    So again, not really about the lack of KDF ships.

    If you do wanna look at it from a pure money perspective, the same thing can still apply though:

    They're running out of 'niche' rolls to fill, which means fewer ideas (without going into some really out there kind of ships, like as a random example...Cmdr Engineer, Lt. Cmdr science, Lt. Tac, Ensign tac).

    Fewer ship ideas for the C-store (not counting lockbox ships) means less potential sales for the C-store, and less money. They'd have to either start making ships with really different BOFF and console layouts along with new console powers, or something along those lines. Yes, is takes time to make them, but they only make em if they think they will sell (just look at the Vesta, you know that well enough, Levi).

    It might be work they may not wanna do though, and just skip making new ships (again, skipping lockbox ones) all together.



    Maybe I'm confusing myself on all this. *shrug* Still, I do stand by my first point, of that Feds have nearly any ship role they could want.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2012
    Originally Posted by levi3
    I think this Klingon rant is in the wrong section? I think it should be in Klingon Gamplay section.

    Everyone already knows the next ship will be a Fed ship. Mr Stahl has clearly said making a Klingon ship for the C-store is NOT "economically viable".

    If this is true,perhaps it is,perhaps a way can be found
    For our Klingon players to get more content
    And the game to prosper overall

    If a story line were developed that allied the Feds and klinks
    Like I'n cannon, with the Enterprise C

    And the Feds and Klingons as allies would share some ships
    And retain some ships and technologies as race specific.

    Feds would buy some Klingon ships Klingons some fed ships

    Teams for content
    Stfs
    Story missions
    Fleets
    Romulan/Borg missions
    Pvp
    These and more could be shared

    The Tailor could be shared with a few restrictions on
    Both sides


    From that point on shiPs and uniforms/clothing
    Could be shared

    Some weapons and consoles could be designed
    New as race specific

    I think it would open up more choices for everyone
    While retaining racial specific aspects

    What we have is clearly not working because cryptic
    Does not see the Klingons as a cash cow , But as
    True allies the money incentive of Feds / Klingons buying
    Each others content could swing something like this over.

    Just think of a new Klingon style Fed uniform sales
    Lol
    Too keep the pvp crowd happy I think all the racial
    Pvp modules the Klingons and Feds have would keep to
    Race specific

    More shared content would be too all players advantage
    If cryptic is unwilling too invest heavy into beefing up
    The Klingon side of the game,

    I think new story content verses the Undine could
    Unite the Factions I'n this way as well as bring I'n the
    Romulans and any other faction as well

    This is a Non Cannon Mirror universe of Star Trek
    Anyway so they can do about anything they wish too
    Story wise
    Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

    JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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