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futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
edited November 2012 in PvP Gameplay
The Shield Heal applied by the Shield Distribution Officer, known as the Brace for Impact Duty Officer, has been reworked:

It no longer has a heal-over-time component, but is comprised of a single lump-sum heal.
It is no longer dependent upon Auxiliary Power and Flow Capacitors, but now receives a benefit from Shield Emitters.
It can now only be activated a single time within any 15-second period, per officer of this type equipped.

The buff stripping proc provided by unique Energy Weapons officers, known as the Subnuc Duty Officer, has been reworked:

Chance to proc has been increased from 0.5% to 1%.
The target of this proc will become immune to further procs from this same type of duty officer for 15seconds after being hit with it.
This immunity is specific to this Duty Officer power, but will prevent further effects regardless of the source of the proc.
I.e, even a 5-man team with these equipped will max out at one proc per target, per 15
second period.


While the shield distribution doff looks to be a fair balance pass the snb doff just became more overpowered than ever. The removal of the hot proc option is a good thing that alone would prevent three purples from overprocing per activation. Great job on these guys. Now on to the major fail on the snb doffs.

First off 15 second immunity doesn't do a damn thing if all of your buffs got stripped. Second as proven by turkish rp heroes tests the proc didn't really take effect but around every 15 seconds anyway. Mostly not during that whole test.

Now the reincreased proc chance is gonna bring back those dual scatter volley escorts back out of the woodwork. So now that craptic did it's balance pass on these here is your excuse to use them again QQ free. I think they tried to sneak this in during the initial nerd tears the Vesta class set is letting out.
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  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited November 2012
    Oh sorry i missed it but something like this deserves it's own thread anyway lol. Frankly I don't think we have seen the worst of the tears over this yet. Now the better question is it acceptable to use 3 snb doffs QQ free now?

    Sorry, but I don't care. I'm done with this game now. I say use it all. It's not gonna change a thing in this game if you stand on any type of moral ground to try to bring change through example. No matter how bad it gets, Cryptic will find a way to make it worse
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited November 2012
    falloutx23 wrote: »
    Sorry, but I don't care. I'm done with this game now. I say use it all. It's not gonna change a thing in this game if you stand on any type of moral ground to try to bring change through example. No matter how bad it gets, Cryptic will find a way to make it worse

    fallout?

    no sig?

    done with game?

    =

    horizon :(

    dammit i dont want to live on this planet anymore
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    fallout?

    No Sig?

    Done With Game?

    =

    Horizon :(

    Dammit I Dont Want To Live On This Planet Anymore

    Shame On You Cryptic!!! Shame On You !!!!!
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I don't really care anymore.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm a little bit confused on what part of the change means for SDO DOFFs. I know it'll be a lump sum heal, and be affected by Shield Emitters, but this is what I'm not quite understanding:

    It can now only be activated a single time within any 15-second period, per officer of this type equipped.

    So...does that mean it'll only proc up to once per activation of BFI, even if you have three DOFFs equipped, or can it activate multiple times, just only once per officer?
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Oh sorry i missed it but something like this deserves it's own thread anyway lol. Frankly I don't think we have seen the worst of the tears over this yet. Now the better question is it acceptable to use 3 snb doffs QQ free now?

    If you want to abuse something then go nuts, honestly. I've tried my best to play clean but at this point if someone goes with the cheese I just say gg and move on, there's nowhere you could even begin to draw line in the sand anyway.
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  • pveheropvehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    yup, they giveth with one hand and taketh with the other... I saw no other option than becoming a PvEhero after seing this patch and the Vesta specs...
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm pretty sure GGreroll meant something else...


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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    There is where my post went. I was wondering where that was. I'm still rather confused on the SDO DOFFs though.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    First off 15 second immunity doesn't do a damn thing if all of your buffs got stripped. Second as proven by turkish rp heroes tests the proc didn't really take effect but around every 15 seconds anyway. Mostly not during that whole test.

    Now the reincreased proc chance is gonna bring back those dual scatter volley escorts back out of the woodwork. So now that craptic did it's balance pass on these here is your excuse to use them again QQ free. I think they tried to sneak this in during the initial nerd tears the Vesta class set is letting out.
    It was 9 seconds, but I agree. I was expecting the duration to last 30 seconds to 1 min. I thought that was what was being discussed?

    mimey2 wrote: »
    So...does that mean it'll only proc up to once per activation of BFI, even if you have three DOFFs equipped, or can it activate multiple times, just only once per officer?
    My understanding, is that, if you have three SDOs, each can proc on their own once during each activation. That is to say, you can get three lump sum heals total.
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012

    First off 15 second immunity doesn't do a damn thing if all of your buffs got stripped. Second as proven by turkish rp heroes tests the proc didn't really take effect but around every 15 seconds anyway. Mostly not during that whole test.

    The doff proc'd every 7.5 seconds in the 3 minute period. However, towards the end of the end of the video we did the doff proc test if there were a 30 second immunity. We found in this test that the proc took place almost instantly as soon as we opened fire.

    The implications of this are still relatively the same. However, the proposed treaty of not to use these doffs was in effect for the most part, as the major pvp fleets did deter themselves from using them. Now I do not know if this is because of the awareness that thread spread, or simply because of the well founded respect we have for one another. In either case, I think we can enjoy ourselves much more if we kept it up and not used these doffs.

    The fleets that have these doffs at a high number, and have enough to sustain them into every variation in their pre-mades are very well known in this community. Thus far, these fleets have been able to refrain/restrain themselves from using these doffs for the most part.

    Hypothetically if these doffs were in free use, the KDF premades will probably suffer the most. As their SN Doffs are very expensive and much harder to come by. It is unlikely they have or will be able to keep up with getting them for every team member, or much less address the shortage of them in their alts. So, fed side will SN doff every KDF premade, automatic win. Complete and utter imbalance if you ask me.

    I do not see any reason why not to continue the status quo of not using them.

    Think of these doffs as AMS. They're the new AMS. I remember when people would rage and scream about AMS? Well now it's this. I think we all have very good roots in this community to at least categorize this thing the same way as AMS, if not on a more serious level.

    Good luck everyone.

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    My understanding, is that, if you have three SDOs, each can proc on their own once during each activation. That is to say, you can get three lump sum heals total.

    Thank you. I'll try and actually test this a bit (and try not to forget to post some results as well) when they feel like putting the servers back up.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    -snip-
    That's not a good enough solution. Relying on goodwill, particularly from those who don't read the forums, isn't going to get you very far.

    I'm not sure what the reasoning was for going from 30 - 60 seconds to 15 seconds. That still procs too often.

    Perhaps Borticus could shed some light on the reasoning for this.
  • futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    That's not a good enough solution. Relying on goodwill, particularly from those who don't read the forums, isn't going to get you very far.


    Perhaps Borticus could shed some light on the reasoning for this.

    Oh I just bursted out in laughter. I have a comment for this but it would get me perma banned from the forums. In any case snb doffs got a balance pass now time to move on to the next item. So snb doffs like this are here to stay we must accept that or quit this game's pvp. It's quite sad in the 6 months I have been playing this game I have seen them actively trying to fix broken or op systems in this game. The sad part is they maybe get 25 percent of it right from what I gather from the pvp community.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    Oh I just bursted out in laughter. I have a comment for this but it would get me perma banned from the forums. In any case snb doffs got a balance pass now time to move on to the next item. So snb doffs like this are here to stay we must accept that or quit this game's pvp. It's quite sad in the 6 months I have been playing this game I have seen them actively trying to fix broken or op systems in this game. The sad part is they maybe get 25 percent of it right from what I gather from the pvp community.
    SNB has been, if I recall, "fixed" twice already. There should be no reason why they can't fix it again.

    In any case, a few of my fleet members (including myself) use them and will continue to. Having them proc every 7.5 or 9 seconds is heavily dependent on there being 8 SNB doffs all using turrets. And, if I recall, the proc is an instant clearing of current buffs, but does not affect new buffs. Unlike the SNB Sci skill.
  • futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    SNB has been, if I recall, "fixed" twice already. There should be no reason why they can't fix it again.

    In any case, a few of my fleet members (including myself) use them and will continue to. Having them proc every 7.5 or 9 seconds is heavily dependent on there being 8 SNB doffs all using turrets. And, if I recall, the proc is an instant clearing of current buffs, but does not affect new buffs. Unlike the SNB Sci skill.

    Yes you avoid the 30 second power cooldown of snb. But the main damage is already done. Forget about losing your firepower buff. When you have incoming fire from several sources and suddenly lose your epts and tt and whatever other buffs that give you dmg resist up you tend to blow up quickly. The only way you can reasonably survive a coordinated attack in which an snb doff procs is in a premade team setup or if you have evasive and some heal or dmg resist buff left in the tank. All this snb doff change did is pretty much assure that they WILL proc every 15 seconds now the they chance got rebuffed. When I get into a match like that I will be warping out.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    Yes you avoid the 30 second power cooldown of snb. But the main damage is already done. Forget about losing your firepower buff. When you have incoming fire from several sources and suddenly lose your epts and tt and whatever other buffs that give you dmg resist up you tend to blow up quickly. The only way you can reasonably survive a coordinated attack in which an snb doff procs is in a premade team setup or if you have evasive and some heal or dmg resist buff left in the tank. All this snb doff change did is pretty much assure that they WILL proc every 15 seconds now the they chance got rebuffed. When I get into a match like that I will be warping out.
    SNB will prevent you from shield and hull healing anyways. Is there a immunity between SNB? I don't use it, so I don't know. But, if not, consecutive SNBs will prevent you from healing anyways.

    If it were to proc every 15 seconds assuming your team has 8 of them SNB Doffs and everyone is running turrets.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    SNB has been, if I recall, "fixed" twice already. There should be no reason why they can't fix it again.

    In any case, a few of my fleet members (including myself) use them and will continue to. Having them proc every 7.5 or 9 seconds is heavily dependent on there being 8 SNB doffs all using turrets. And, if I recall, the proc is an instant clearing of current buffs, but does not affect new buffs. Unlike the SNB Sci skill.

    WOW....so your just ging to out right use this bs? ill laugh when people see your fleet get hit by a stupid proc and leave. or better yet the whole fleet uses sub doffs right back and you have a lame match........
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    WOW....so your just ging to out right use this bs? ill laugh when people see your fleet get hit by a stupid proc and leave. or better yet the whole fleet uses sub doffs right back and you have a lame match........
    Actually, I agree that the duration of the immunity needs to be expanded. I questioned why it was reduced to 15 seconds from when Borticus said they were considering 30 seconds to 1 min.
    shookyang wrote: »
    It was 9 seconds, but I agree. I was expecting the duration to last 30 seconds to 1 min. I thought that was what was being discussed?

    Does that mean I'm going to stop using it? No.

    Do I care if other people use it on me? Nope.

    Do I care if I'm up against an entire team of Sci officers SNBing my team into oblivion? Nope.

    It's a game. People use polaron weapons, and I don't rage quit because I'm up against them.
  • futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    SNB will prevent you from shield and hull healing anyways. Is there a immunity between SNB? I don't use it, so I don't know. But, if not, consecutive SNBs will prevent you from healing anyways.

    If it were to proc every 15 seconds assuming your team has 8 of them SNB Doffs and everyone is running turrets.

    Of course regular snb does. But at least you can analyze the opposing team at the start of the match and you know how many regular snb will be coming your way. With the doffs you will never see it coming until it's too late. You can't compare regular snb to these doffs in any way except the literal power stripping debuff. That is the only similarity and the rest of the dynamics that go with it are what's game breaking. A person can't enter a space pvp zone with a viable counter too all these short of flying a zombie cruiser with shield power on high and a pair of rsp. Should every pilot who plays this game be pigeonholed into flying like that just to survive snb procs?

    Frankly I don't blame you for using them yourself. But I can't see how anyone can reasonably justify the use of these as if they were clean and fair to use. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. With all the cheese floating around in this game I fear I may have to grab a set for myself. But who knows when I am finally able to log in I have a feeling the price just tripled on these :( That's all space pvp in this game appears to be he who has the most cheese wins. I can count on one hand how many good close honest hard fought cheese free pvp matches I have been in in the past 6 months. Literally one hand out of hundreds I have been in.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    It's a game. People use polaron weapons, and I don't rage quit because I'm up against them.

    thats much different then a stupid doff that says hey tact come here, put me on your roster and have the dps but a proc of a sci. i really hope your computer blows up when you go into pvp. people like you should be baned from ques. if you want sub nuke roll a sci. but no reason you should take buffs on some 1 when u are a tact or engy. but go roll in ques. people are going to see the proc and warp and then no fun for you. look what happened to klink pvp. they are so slow on ques and they complain but they did it to them selves.

    but yeah, from the bottem of my heart i hope your computer blows up.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Think this game is forcing me to only use my B'rel and trico mines so I can stay cloaked and not have to worry about these things, only safe time to expose yourself by shooting torps will be when target is AMS/ SS. Don't complain when you see teams of all B'rels doing trico and sci spam from cloak if you use these doff. With nerf to BFI doff, even more reason to just use a B'rel and stay cloaked.

    If not in my B'rel I will have to resort to power siphon build so even if I lose all my buffs, the person won't have power to kill me.
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  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    In any case, a few of my fleet members (including myself) use them and will continue to.

    I am curious,

    what is the name of your fleet?



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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If you use SNB doffs, I don't want to hear one peep from you about getting Danubed, AMSed, Gpulsed, etc.

    If you use SNB doffs it's open season with whatever cheese the game has on you. It's that simple.

    Seeing as how the overwhelming majority of SNB doffs seem to be Fed origin, that means we're going to be seeing a lot of cheeseballs coming from the Fed side. So if they bring that ****, hit them hard with whatever TRIBBLE you got.

    If they want to burn down PvP just to feel powerful for a short while, then let's all burn it down together.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    snoge00f wrote: »
    If you use SNB doffs, I don't want to hear one peep from you about getting Danubed, AMSed, Gpulsed, etc.

    If you use SNB doffs it's open season with whatever cheese the game has on you. It's that simple.

    Seeing as how the overwhelming majority of SNB doffs seem to be Fed origin, that means we're going to be seeing a lot of cheeseballs coming from the Fed-side. So if they bring that ****, hit them hard with whatever TRIBBLE you got.

    If they want to burn down PvP just to feel powerful for a short while, then let's all burn it down together.

    i can fully agree to this 100%. and since fed ques will now be a ghost like klink side lets all just burn this mutha down. ill now be specing ams, gp, and theta. ill buy all the keys i need for 3 sub nuke doffs. for my tact engy and sci. this will be the last of my money this game gets. im very ticked off by members that try to compair polarons to sub doffs.........wtf???????? and the fact that the devs dont even care about this game. remember when star wars was comming out? yeah awesome vid by devs that talked about how cool that game was. SHAME ON THEM!!!!!!!!

    thats like having FORD dealer ship and parking a honda infront. and on fourms i have to watch what i say about devs or get baned? frak you. yeah i said that to the damn devs. why cant our frusting be heard on fourms? why do you feel the need to censor what we say? wtf we pay you. you work for us. stalh promised us so much and all we ask is just for pvp. its not even alot to ask for.
    with all your TRIBBLE boxes you took in so much money you cant even fix pvp? no you get some brain dead dev that makes a doff thats not even needed in pve. it has no use. whats it going to even do for pve'ers? what ever im done. my rant is over. but know you will never get any more of my money. freak off.
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    ilhansk wrote: »
    I am curious,

    what is the name of your fleet?



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  • futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    Good question Hank.

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    I am 90 percent sure this guy is from 12th fleet the pve hero pvp fleet.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    Of course regular snb does. But at least you can analyze the opposing team at the start of the match and you know how many regular snb will be coming your way. With the doffs you will never see it coming until it's too late. You can't compare regular snb to these doffs in any way except the literal power stripping debuff. That is the only similarity and the rest of the dynamics that go with it are what's game breaking. A person can't enter a space pvp zone with a viable counter too all these short of flying a zombie cruiser with shield power on high and a pair of rsp. Should every pilot who plays this game be pigeonholed into flying like that just to survive snb procs?

    Frankly I don't blame you for using them yourself. But I can't see how anyone can reasonably justify the use of these as if they were clean and fair to use. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. With all the cheese floating around in this game I fear I may have to grab a set for myself. But who knows when I am finally able to log in I have a feeling the price just tripled on these :( That's all space pvp in this game appears to be he who has the most cheese wins. I can count on one hand how many good close honest hard fought cheese free pvp matches I have been in in the past 6 months. Literally one hand out of hundreds I have been in.
    Yes, there is a lot of cheese in this game. Far worse than the SNB doff as it stands now, in my opinion. The only counter to the SNB sci ability is Sci Team. If you have an entire team of Sci officers, your 5 second immunity with Sci Team is not going to help you.

    But, as I said before, to get this to proc every 15 seconds requires a specific circumstance that you will only achieve if your pre-made intentionally does this. That is to say, in paxottoman's testing, you needed 8 of the SNB doffs on 3 captains, all running turrets. What's the proc rate with a normal loadout? I must have missed that test? Show me how bad it is with a normal loadout now, and I will reconsider my position.

    If we're going to talk about specific circumstances, what about a team running all polaron turrets with maxed flow capacitors and consoles running Scatter Volley 3? Even if you had max power insulators, it's not going to save you from the stackable secondary proc of instant drains.
  • futurecaptainfuturecaptain Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    Yes, there is a lot of cheese in this game. Far worse than the SNB doff as it stands now, in my opinion. The only counter to the SNB sci ability is Sci Team. If you have an entire team of Sci officers, your 5 second immunity with Sci Team is not going to help you.

    But, as I said before, to get this to proc every 15 seconds requires a specific circumstance that you will only achieve if your pre-made intentionally does this. That is to say, in paxottoman's testing, you needed 8 of the SNB doffs on 3 captains, all running turrets. What's the proc rate with a normal loadout? I must have missed that test? Show me how bad it is with a normal loadout now, and I will reconsider my position.

    If we're going to talk about specific circumstances, what about a team running all polaron turrets with maxed flow capacitors and consoles running Scatter Volley 3? Even if you had max power insulators, it's not going to save you from the stackable secondary proc of instant drains.

    Not a comparable scenario only ships that would ever run fwc consoles are sci ships with specifically drain builds the whole team wouldn't be running them. All polaron's most likely all turrets not likely. And his test only representing 8 total snb doff was simply a bare minimum test it seems. I can't imagine any ship running these would only just one of them. It seems logical if you are going to run them then run all 3 of them to make sure are getting the procs.

    And I am pretty sure those snb doff teams will be capped out with 15 snb doffs active. As far as worse cheese in this game right now. Hmm while there is some pretty nasty TRIBBLE I can't see what is more op then snb doffs. I think most of the pvp community agrees with that.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited November 2012
    snoge00f wrote: »
    If you use SNB doffs, I don't want to hear one peep from you about getting Danubed, AMSed, Gpulsed, etc.

    If you use SNB doffs it's open season with whatever cheese the game has on you. It's that simple.

    Seeing as how the overwhelming majority of SNB doffs seem to be Fed origin, that means we're going to be seeing a lot of cheeseballs coming from the Fed side. So if they bring that ****, hit them hard with whatever TRIBBLE you got.

    If they want to burn down PvP just to feel powerful for a short while, then let's all burn it down together.
    Like I said, I don't complain about the cheese other people bring to a pvp battle. I deal with it. If I lose, I lose. Not that big a deal.

    ilhansk wrote: »
    I am curious,

    what is the name of your fleet?
    Why does this matter? When I say some members of our fleet, I mean 3. There isn't a lot of people in the fleet that could afford it.
    I am 90 percent sure this guy is from 12th fleet the pve hero pvp fleet.
    My fleet is a casual fleet that, yes, does PvE. That doesn't stop us from enjoying in-fleet PvP. And, recently, we've been hitting the queues. My build has always been with the intention of PvP. I have taken a lot of information and advice from others on the PvP forums.

    In fact, the majority of the advice I received was from a user named Vizmu almost a year ago. They claimed they were an old school pvper. I don't know the validity of their claims.
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