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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Vesta doesn't exist in canon, so any arguments based on that are a bit nonsensical.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Vesta doesn't exist in canon, so any arguments based on that are a bit nonsensical.

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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    The ships' main shuttlebay was located on deck twelve. Behind the shuttlebay was a large flight deck, allowing small craft too large for the shuttle bay to land; this area included a large deck lift which lowered into a runabout bay. Ships of the class were equipped with a fleet of both shuttlecraft and runabouts.

    the ' flight deck' is the visable section in front of the shuttle bay , thats also the lift.

    still a bit sketchy calling a ship that carries a pair of runabouts a carrier lol
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    ...am I glad not to buy the HEC just yet.

    And if the Vesta is a T5.5 ship... :eek:

    New Tactard Ship anyone?


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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,574 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Yes but the reason its not a carrier is because its a shuttlebay and it could not launch and recover then effectively as, I suppose, the traffic control is not really able to handle it and, of course, since there is only one door it cannot launch and recover at the same time, its either launching or recovering one at the time.

    Also we never seen a Galaxy being used in such a role, I seen speculation but its just that, speculation

    the galaxy actually has 3 doors. the ones seen and used int he show was actually bay 3 witch was the smallest of them. never once saw the main bay
    Except the Armitage is a Escort so "oops", the number of ships that argument could be used against becomes quite small.

    And if the whole reason is because of the lift and the lower deck section but ... its a lift, using it BLOCKS the Shuttledoor meaning its perhaps better for larger ships to be recovered but its still bottlenecks to one shuttle at the time.

    Then again, why am I arguing? Cryptic pays ZERO attention to feedback s0 we get a flight deck cruiser ... J-O-Y!

    So were the Fed BoP Cryptic ... I mean why not at this point?

    the akira/armitage class should not even be an escort it's larger then some cruisers mass wise (about the same as an excelsior). in canon it's classified as a heavy cruiser and was a torpedo boat with 15 torp launchers according to the DS9 tech manual
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  • corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
    edited October 2012
    Called it. Figured the Vesta would be the Fed equivalent of a Flight-deck cruiser.
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The Aquarius should have been the Fed BoP. I'm just glad it got gimped to hell so it'll be a while more before Cryptic releases the Andorian raider with battle cloak.

    Only their slow production time is preventing this from happening...

    By golly, looking at the abilities of the Vesta, why isn't this a lockbox ship? At the very least it would give the Klingons a shot at a "version" of Vesta for themselves.


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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    So Dual Cannons, Hangars, Sensor Analysis, Probably 3+ tactical consoles, probably some great layout...

    I have one question cryptic...why would anyone fly other science ship?

    Also, more danoobes in pvp...:rolleyes: Why are you so persistent in destroying pvp experience for everyone Cryptic ?
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  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Maybe, just maybe, it's the new lockbox ship, launching with S7?

    Please?
    Even though I despise the lockbox system, please?

    Otherwise, I agree, it'd make every other Science ship (except maybe the Wells), thoroughly redundant.
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I think we're missing a part of the picture.

    There are 3 consoles. Which means likely there are 3 variants of Vesta.

    I'm guessing then that 1 variant has SStargetting and more shield, one has a hangar, and the last has higher turn rate and can mount DHCs.


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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    khayuung wrote: »
    I think we're missing a part of the picture.

    There are 3 consoles. Which means likely there are 3 variants of Vesta.

    I'm guessing then that 1 variant has SStargetting and more shield, one has a hangar, and the last has higher turn rate and can mount DHCs.

    How do you know that ? :)
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    How do you know that ? :)
    Gecko said he was testing 3 powers on Twitter.

    Well of course Cryptic can go defy my assumptions of logic by putting all three consoles on the same ship. :rolleyes:


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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ah, so it probably will be some Odyssey like pack. Oh well, danoobes everywhere.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    khayuung wrote: »
    Gecko said he was testing 3 powers on Twitter.

    Well of course Cryptic can go defy my assumptions of logic by putting all three consoles on the same ship. :rolleyes:

    It will have all 3 on 1 ship and won't be a 3 pack.

    It's virtually a given that they will charge between 3000 to 3500 zen given the extra costs in getting the ship - payments to the designer, legal issues etc, etc and given its a brand new ship with these extra costs they can easily charge 3000 min

    given that a 3 pack would be around 7000 zen or $70+

    You need to remember the Oddy 3 -pack was 5000 C-POINTS when it was released or more than 6000 zen

    I highly doubt they will put out a ship that you have to pay $70 1 time or over $90 over time to get all 3

    especially at this time of year just before christmas - it would be a hard sell

    I will have 3000 zen already and my next stipend of 500 will bring me to 3500 - which should be the top end of the price range.
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    >Vesta
    >Science Vessel
    >Dual Cannons
    >Hangar bay

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    Finally, a FED equivalent of a Kar'Fi (pressumably). Dream come true - day one purchase for me.

    For those concerned about Vesta having "fighters" - its book version does have a large flight deck and several shuttles and runabouts at its disposal, so it's not really canon bending or anything.

    Can't wait for a Dev Blog with stats and such. Now I hope we'll get a Fleet Kar'Fi for the KDF to keep things "balanced" (*cough*).
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I guess noone cares about fighters...but danoobes and their tractor spam.
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  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited October 2012
    I reckon it will be 3 versions like the Ody....

    Tac: Can mount dual cannons and has a higher turnrate with tactical focus.
    Sci: Has the special deflector/console and can use sensor analysis with science focus.
    Eng: Can equip fighters and is Engineer focused with console/boff slots.
  • kasandarokasandaro Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I was bored this morning and went to ESD to look at the shiny (yes, it's there on Tribble). It's a really :mad: angle, but if you look at it from next to the ship salesbeing, there seems to be a horizontal black slash a few decks up from the deflector dish that seems to be at least a deck tall. I couldn't see the rear bay, but is it possible that it has a single through-and-through bay like the Armitage (taking up the place of that ridiculous split in the Odyssey)?

    Not sure how I feel about it having the hangar, though it gives us the third type (assuming the Atrox is the cruiser carrier and the Armitage the escort carrier).
  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,574 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    the atrox was suppose to be the sci carrier
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  • boweninugamiboweninugami Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Where's it at on tribble? If you mean the shipyard, that's the Regent class crusier.
  • kasandarokasandaro Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Where's it at on tribble? If you mean the shipyard, that's the Regent class crusier.

    Ugh. Apologies. I didn't realize the pylons were so screwed up on the Regent, too.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    guess im just resigned to it now lol sucks it seems to have a hanger , but if thats what they went with , oh well

    i just hope they bring out a suitably powerful klingon ship too
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    guess im just resigned to it now lol sucks it seems to have a hanger , but if thats what they went with , oh well

    i just hope they bring out a suitably powerful klingon ship too

    Why can't I get my super OP -Vesta?? What is so wrong with them giving me what I have been asking for for months rrincy? Something that I said will sell maybe as many ships as the Oddy.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    by all accounts you'll be getting it , doesnt mean i have to like it xD ill be flying it regardless anyway
    if it is indeed a multi ship pack like the flagships , im just really hoping they do a KDF equivalent , they really need sci ships
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    by all accounts you'll be getting it , doesnt mean i have to like it xD ill be flying it regardless anyway
    if it is indeed a multi ship pack like the flagships , im just really hoping they do a KDF equivalent , they really need sci ships

    The KDF does need a "real Klingon" Science ship - not some other race. But they have already said making Klingon c-store ships are "not cost-effective" so don't hold your breathe.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    yeah , just doesnt sit well with me though , if this is indeed a pack ship , and we dont know that for definite yet , then there really needs to be a KDF released at the same time

    guess we'll find out
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    yeah , just doesnt sit well with me though , if this is indeed a pack ship , and we dont know that for definite yet , then there really needs to be a KDF released at the same time

    guess we'll find out

    There will be no KDF ship until 2013 at the earliest - they have said that many times. There is Zero chance of any KDF ship coming out same time as Vesta - it would have been telegraphed way in advance to calm down some KDF players if that were the case.
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