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to me it's almost impossible to enjoy a match in pvp as a fed, with those two above mentioned abilities in play.
most likely not when a klingon has set an aceton assimiliator in the mid of the fed spawn, as just happened in a match.
it stayed the whole match, torps turrets did not get in action and i got an energy-weapons only build. no speak about 2, 3, or more of them in a row...
advanced power siphons speaks for themselves for anyone who ever crossed their way.
...what you get is just like a switching the off-button of your ship and a cinema view on the last seconds it gots (yeah i know, there's a respawn

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i think we're happier, the faster we get rid off both. at least pvp should be a challenge for the kdf too, or is it already one? (the times i tried it with my kdf toon doesn't really seemed so) ^^
may i'm wrong or just have no clue in ship-building. so: what do you think? (beside trolling

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Sadly that's the way the game has gone with toys and doffs. There's no turning back unfortunately.
Some changes are coming for Siphon Drones with Season 7 (according to Borticus). As for AAs, I'm unsure.
@f4tamy | Sad Pandas
...hope they make them more like cheapjacks. annoying but not harming, that would be ok for me (INDEED I WANT THEM GO). thx for the input
It's always something with some people.
I always queued solo in FvK with my Fed chars, even when I knew there was a high likelihood of running into QEW/WOG/LORE partial premades or what not.
I miss the old style alpha strike teams.
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To clarify, this was more in response to Crim's idea that Klingons empty the queues.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
One ship with GW (and a doff)
And use Torps. You should be using Torps already in FvK as they are the most reliable bop killing weapon in the entire game.
Also frankly, if leech and aceton are bothering you. Use Power Insulator ranks.
Oh hell and in your case equip some frigging advanced Peregrines and set them to Intercept mode. the peregrines will one shot the drones. Jeeze.
If I ever figure out how to load up a Voldy upgrade on my Complaint I'll be thrilled to fire off some Gravity Wells or Warp Plasma.
At least the old Alpha Strike teams took skill and timing.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
He also thanks to said Akira has the ability to respec himself and put a torp spread with a quantum on standby into his ensign.
He has 2 solid anti spam counters right there that will also increase his over all effectiveness in fvk pvp. Oh my bad if he respecs and gets torps, he has 3 solid fvk choices anyway. :rolleyes: hell for carrier duty he could even go without speccing into that torp, just have the ens and a torp in inventory. It'll still oneshot drones.
Cruisers particularly ones with Lt Cmdr Eng slots, should already be carrying warp plas in their builds as that's the only solid thing (along with having double epts and double extends) that a lt cmdr eng cruiser has over the oddy, along with their superior mobility.
Also, mvams should be carrying some kind of AOE CC ability, period in the lt cmdr sci slot. There's no excuse not to, especially in fvk as many of the sci AOEs also disable cloak.
People are just Stupid is 90 percent of the problem.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
They deserve to get an TRIBBLE beating so hard that even Anne would feel happy by comparison.
As well it sucks to be locked down all time by subsysttarget teams and Danubes with escort running gun and being healed by cruisers. Not to mention the odd science vessel.
Maybe the siphon drone changes will soothe some players without borking them up.
R.I.P
I agree with the system lockdown builds roach. Anyone that says science is dead is badly mistaken. I've decided not to run my sci if there's already two on a critz team already because it just can't be any fun to play against. There's just nothing that can be done against the amount of different ways we can bring the hurt with that much sci. We screwed around with it one night and faced afterburners usual tanky as hell build. He just melted faster than I've ever seen him and he couldn't run, couldn't defend, couldn't fight back, nothing...
Decided to dust off my engy that night and start running him a lil more when our good sci players are already causing havoc.
Well Starwrath, at the very least this "Evil Klingun" won't use such cheap tricks to get his kills.
Yes. Anne. People that don't think about bringing AOEs to pvp, let alone FvK deserve to be beat so hard Anne has room to feel sorry for them.
I have Visual Confirmation that a pug made can stomp a mud hole in carrier siphon, assim, leech, Target Sub, lolaron, tric mine and Tyken spam and walk it dry. With only one SNB on our team.
I'm saving the edited vid now and as soon as it finishes I'm uploading it.
Had we more AOE, than what I and one other person (m3w with TBR IIRC) carried we would have had a 15 and 0 shut out. As it was me simply adding 2 AOEs (Faw 3 and Faw2) we went from 5 to 15 the first round to finishing 15 to 8 in the second round.
also i WANT a full energy weapon build on my escorts (full dps output, backupped with consoles), on all other types i run the 180 degree torp (which doesn't save me from siphons; fire at will also doesn't, but should?!^^).
i was glad to read about the counters given, but i'm not sure if forcing players to respec in those abilities to enjoy pvp is right. in fact it says: adapt or die. this way or none (from what i saw, those abilities and plasmonic leach are used a lot).
just encountered a klink who was kind of laughing and enjoying the fact, that he hardly meets any opponent who was able to fight him, and that his plasmonic console stacks up to 15 times ^^...
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my experience is just: witthout those 2 abilities and the plasmonic demon, fighting against klinks is almost on an "equal" base (means any side could win with all the other gimmicks in play; there are more than enough counters for, f.e. runabouts).
with them in play feds don't ever get a real chance.
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just a thought to add: for most abilites there are boff-counters (are there?). tractors, hull polarize. plasma, eng-team, and so on... are there boff abilities i didn't spot against power drains? may this would be a solution, without the necessity for players to respec, or gear up with certain consoles.
I know for a fact that FAW does counter siphons. If you are smart about warp plasma deployment they can't even get close to you so you can just gun them all the hell down. Also Torp Spread. as in the Ensign. Plas, + Peregrines + Torp Spread every 15 seconds = pretty well suppressed pets.
Power Drains counter straight up energy based setups that aren't carrying CC or Interceptors. People need to realize this and that yes indeed torps do have a place in pvp.
To say nothing of AOEs like warp plasma. If I can do it. Anyone can.
You should already have torps in your inventory if you are going to be serious about FvK, this is nothing new. And people take their FvF setups in. and get steamrolled, and for good reason. KDF don't fight the same.
After todays little match against a pretty well skilled carrier team, loaded with all the choiciest drains. Drones aren't nearly as OP as people think they are. Sure they need a tweak. But it's not so overboard as an auto win. It's called Take Friggin AOEs to FVK (hell you should take AOE to all pvp anyway!)
hopefully you didn't overread "this way or none"
There are.
I can list some for you right off the top of my head that would have worked every bit as well as what I did earlier if not better.
1 Grav Well with Doff. Grav well makes a farce out of siphons. Especially 2 ships with it. if you are in an mvam, you should -strongly- consider taking GW1, Tykens 2, TBR2 (or TBR1). Also if you are in an mvam... again you have a spare ensign... there's Torp Spread 1 again.
If you are in a sci ship, taking a Tykens, Grav Well, and PSW should definitely enter your mind. You should also probably load up on at least one Torpedo Spread.
If you are in a Cruiser that has even just the Cmdr Eng. You should probably consider taking at least Eject Plasma1 and FAW2. If you're in a cruiser that has a spare ensign, go ahead and take up FAW1 as well. Or hell, if you're in an AC load up with Torp Spread 2 and 1 and keep the TT handy.
Excelsior/Galor? FAW2, FAW3, and Plasma3 are your friends. (what I fielded today)
If you are in an Akira you better take warp plasma 1 and Advanced Peregrines set to intercept mode. Take CSV1 while you are at it as well, and load up a Torp Spread 1 in your spare ensign and load up a quantum, even if you aren't specced in torps, a TS1 tac buffed quantum will gutter shot a whole bunch of Siphon Drones in one go. And or maim /destroy Aceton Assims.
If you are in a Defiant. You damn well better take a CSV2. To use when you need to clear spam off the field between everyone elses cyling. Same applies if you are in a jemmy. And look another spare ensign ship. torp spread 1.
If you are in a Carrier, load at least 1 hangar with Peregrines, have a shockwave handy, and a Grav Well 3 or TBR 3.
Or you can field Quantum Mines, with Dispersal Pattern betas. Tric Mines, Plasma mines (my personal favorite as with spec it's a guaranteed affair)
If everyone did this, or even just the people that read this forum, siphons and carriers in general would decline in use all over again. Just like they did post introduction when the original Premades were rolling the ques around.
I'm starting to find myself agreeing with someone that left sto along time ago who was never any good to start with as a pvper, but I think just this one time he was right. FvF has killed the talent level of the average pvper.
Spare weapons, spare consoles, spare BOFFs, spare DOFFs...different alcohol choices.
thanks for your replies! i hope this will help many, though for me the only really new was that solution mentioned with consoles and respec.
i don't like it, nor i ever got the feeling, torps are needed against klnks or in a build anyway (just if you like to have them in
p.s.: i don't know/care if i'm untalented, stupid, or whatever (in your eyes). i do got aoe's on most of my ship-builds. just had a game in my defiant, scatter volley included, where i used that ability, buffed and in connection with my ap dhc's (most bop's just plop when i hit them, buffed and with that build). i hardly killed the most of the advanced power siphons, but no way to get them all (you know, mostly other klinks are also around).
but may i also always build my ships wrong. for me the op is just obvious on those abilites ^^.
i don't want to struggle, so i please you to go on with your informative posting style, by letting out the personal sounding. maybe people are too stupid for pvp, maybe i am, but that's not the topic of this thread
Surely you have particle generators ranked. It's such an easy skill to get points for. especially with 0 torp spec. 2 boff skill changes, and peregrines would make a world of difference there. (You don't even need the Torpedo point defense console...which also helps Tremendously every couple mins) even just having Plasma will help you.
Siphons are what put teams well past the edge of recovery. Otherwise, you can still manage to maintain high enough power levels to get the job done.
Also, you need to rank Power Insulators. Seriously, aceton, and leech especially can't even phase you if you have 6 in PI.
There are all sorts of soft counters like EPTX, batteries, EPS power transfer, the warp core engineer (power bonus doff). Evasive out of the Rifts before your engines go down etc.
You want to improve so I have no issue with you by the way. It's the other clowns that would try to treat the game like it were FvF. You can't. As a defiant other than a spread and CSV (maybe a TBR1 in the sci slot too) there's not much else you can do but hope your team mates are not completely TRIBBLE. (most feds are.. even in fvf.. which is alot Easier to master)
thanks a lot for all the hints
i guess i won't try the respec, my toon is specced as tac (power levels, damage, engine, shields and so), but i also may will give it a try
i do also totally agree: fvk is not fvf, and as a fed i always liked the challenge kdf offered to me, but... you know (thread-title)
Leech also increases the gap between your power levels and the power level of your attackers. So even if your drain isn't as insane as it was, the person Leeching has significantly more power before using any of the other drains available.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Hey if you need anything at all spec wise, or pointers feel free to mail me either on this forum or in game.
in game you can add me as a friend or send me mails my handle there is @Mavairo .
Leech only drains 5 power hale if you have PI ranked. the enemy gets a +16 bonus true.
But you have a +10 from Maco (or should. Why aren't you fielding Maco shield? Seriously! :P ) so there's only a +10 gap. Assim drains another like 5 tops. Assims best perk actually comes when something shoots it, it give syou effectively 2 free turrets in dps if people keeps shooting them against all targets within 5km of the assim. A warpcore engineer easily can cover that gap. (and the kdf has other things he should be putting in his doff slots anyway)
Again, the "Problem" is Siphon Drones. and even that really is not nearly as much of an issue as you think it might be in 5v5. Earlier today I and pretty much one other person shut down an entire Carrier Drain Team. with 2 ships. The score was 8 to 1 (which is where I began filming) at one point and ended 15 to 8. If the feds aren't ******* they won't lose. Or shouldn't lose.
I'm sure you'll want visual confirmation of what I'm saying and You'll have it. The video is 30 percent uploaded already.
Even moderate AOE use and decent coordination will suppress the spam pretty quickly. and none of us had plasma, tric, or quantum mines which make the job even easier.
God forbid had we come into that arena with a Balance Team of 2 tac 2 sci and an eng. Because had the scis been loaded down in AOE that match would have been laughably easy.
thanks for! i will contact you when/if i can't stand the truth any longer
Couple that with the fact that siphon related TRIBBLE makes people lazy. It's used so heavily, and effortlessly, that people forget how to play. I sincerely doubt a decent Carrier built to exploit these ignorant mechanics is going to be so easily swatted aside.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.