I was pugging it up the other day as I usually do and came a across a 4v4 Fed vs. KDF match. The KDF was a premade team using 2 Kar'Fi's and 2 BoP's. Both Kar'Fi were using siphon drones with gravity wells and tykens rifts. I think 1 BoP was using gravity wells also and the other tricobalts with DPB3. They were all using aceton assimilators, plasmonic leech, and polaron weapons. At any given time there were on average 6 assimilators on the field and when I would engage there would be around 4 gravity wells and a tykens rift or two. It was impossible to escape the gravity wells even with evasive maneuvers and APO activated because my engines were constantly between 0-10 power as well as my shields. My weapons were between 0-40 power, but not like I could ever turn to get them in firing arc, and if you've ever shot at someone with 40 weapons power, you know the futility of it. Every time I engaged I literally came to a complete hault and if I didn't die to just the gravity wells and energy weapons then the the tricobalts would get me.
I ended up leaving the match after 3 engagements with them, and to-date it is the only time I have ever purposefully left a match. It was just completely pointless to attempt to engage them as I would get completely shut down and blown up 10 seconds later. I had no idea how to go about engaging them, especially with pugs who were just as clueless as me, so I left
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All those power drain stuff does not belongs into the game in the first place.
stay out of 5k and spam aoe.
yep. fun times.
Warp out and make sure to tell them in zone before you go why your leaving.
Explain to them that the handful of real klingon players in the game hate there frea*ing guts for destryoing the FvK ques...
Seriously if I had one of the players on that team on my friends list they would be removed... they would be primary target any time I saw there @ handle anywhere anytime.
People that insist on building teams around stuff we all know is broken and then que up in a que that already takes 30+ min to pop most nights... well I think I made my feelings clear... Best thing for them is to warp and hopefuly after staring at a que screen that doesn't pop for the rest of the night they will get the message.... IHATEHAVINGTOPLAYMYSTUPIDFEDSALLTHEDAM*TIME.
End of rant.
You away I'n 4 seconds is why I don't pvp
As a fleet we pvp almost everyday with members
Of our fleet, were also building up a Kdf fleet so
We can enjoy that content as well
The skills are so broken and unbalanced to pug
Or even use fleet teams is really a waste of time
Unless your exploiting some imbalance as a team
So we don't bother
Pvp is dead and will stay that way .......
The only pvp content is and will be is I'n honorable
Fleets who agree to certain rules I believe
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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you can see by my teams numbers how shut down they were, i was administering friendly plasma clouds to them like you would administer HE lol. was a total TRIBBLE fest, we had carriers too i think, no runabouts though. surprised my processor survived.
if you think that, you have 0 grasp of what your doing, seriously. review the help threads, ask questions, and be willing to learn. the game is about 85% perfectly balanced
Really ?
So what's your counter to the posters question ?
How do you fight and win against this siphon team ?
I see very little balance period I'n pvp this is just
A worst case example
I am willing to learn teach me how to fight with no
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Would the game not be better if these 3 items were entirely removed from the game and the previous owners of them compensated in dilithium/zen? I have faced siphons before and yes they were annoying, and I have faced assimilators before and yes they were annoying, and I have faced plasmonic leech before and ok, it wasn't too bad by itself. But when these powers are combined (plus, combined even further with universal drains) and used in a coordinated effort that takes advantage of the lowered power levels it seems completely game-breaking. I have really enjoyed PvP up until that match, but I think I'm starting to understand why the queues are often empty.
@DevolvedOne
yes it would be better, but no, they wont do it. They've taken a stab at trying to fix it, but either they haven't put enough resources into it, or it's outside their capability to figure out. I have enough faith that it's not the latter to simply conclude it's just not that high on their priority list. This isn't saying it's not on their list at all, just not high up on it. Until it gets fixed, FvK will always suffer
I have to turn settings down a bunch going into PvP these days. Didn't used to have the problem, but there are times where if I didn't - I swear I could hear groans from my rig and see steam coming out the side from where the tears were cooking.
Between all the EWP/Plasma/Wells/Rifts/and drone spam... the screen tends to look like a cat ate a box of crayons and threw up on it. Somebody breaks out Temp stuff and I'll actually double cursor and get lost in desync...meh.
You know it's gonna happen. Just wait and see.
And the proposed siphion fix is still bad because the drones will have an unlimited amount of stacking and long term drain. Sure it'll take longer to drain but its still unlimited and can still be stacked.
@DevolvedOne
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
As an honorable Klingon (saving for the decloaking alpha strikes, got to use what I have) I don't use Aceton Assimilators or Siphon Drones. I only use the Plasmonic Leech because even if I spec into it, the power drain isn't enough to make people worry, especially if they have specced into Power Insulators. I also use Polarons, but only because they're purple in color and the power drain proc doesn't happen often and clears in no time.
But I think warp plasma or Topedo spreads can take care of drones and Assimilators.
Nah, the Feddies just use their sci spam BS and subsystem targeting to disable and hold ships while bludgeoning them to death. They don't need energy draining.
I love it when Feddies complain about KDF drain abilities, but don't seem to see a problem with pre-made sci spamming teams that also toss in a few pay-to-win abilities (graviton pulse being one). I don't do either, tbh. The only P2W I use is Impulse Capacitance Cell (which can be overcome with sci spam or subnukes). Other than that, I just rely on decloak alphastrikes, skill, and a bit of luck.
Did you just crawl out of Season 2-3 hole or something ? What is a sci spam in current state of DPS Online ?
Sci spam is when they throw enough sci skills at you to where you run out of debuff-clearing abilities (very quickly). That's still quite applicable, especially when you don't have a dedicated and competent healer around. A good example would be to use sensor scramble, tractor beams, subsystem targeting (sci ships have this automatically, so I consider it a hybrid of sci and tac), sensor scan to massively debuff, subnucleonic beam, energy drain, and maybe throw in a few p2w moves in for flavor. Most sci spam is accompanied by a few eng abilities like warp plasma for extra holding and graphics overload.
That's why I laugh at people whining about how sci skills are soooo underpowered. Yeah, a few could use a buff (Tachyon Beam, especially), but most of the people complaining are just people who aren't using science builds the way they're supposed to be used. . .to debuff, disable, or hold your opponents and wear through the defenses (or have teammates shred them). They're expecting to use science skills to DPS the heck out of everyone, and that's not what you're supposed to do with most sci skills.
I am not a "Feddie" just here to complain and whine about how KDF is OP. In fact, I would say I spend 60-70% of my time on my 2 KDF toons vs. my 1 Fed toon. I was curious if there was a hard counter to this type of team. I'll try to carry some extra boffs and weapons for a layout to counter this with scatter volley, torp spread and eject warp plasma. It's not my prefered layout by any means, but if it's what I gotta do then it's what I gotta do.
As for danubes, I really don't understand the complaints and comparisons to siphon drones. Yes, they're annoying, but there are hard counters built into the game that can pretty much make your ship immune to tractor beams, such as running 2 APO's, AP doffs, polarize hull, and evasive maneuvers. I have been on the receiving end of both siphon/drain teams as a Fed and tractor/hold teams as a Klink. It is much more manageable to deal with the tractors/holds than it is a fully decked out KDF drain team. Like I said, I'll try what has been recommended, but I have a feeling it ain't gonna be easy, especially with pugs.
@DevolvedOne
The only thing you have to worry about those is someone firing energy weapons on a tactical buffed Assimilator.
AOE is the way to go, but not in the way you think. Energy weapons are absolutely useless in this encounter.
Husanak, it brinks your favourit weapons into play. The feared torpedos
Aux based team healing is a no go for such an encounter so plenty of team heals is a must.
PS, warp plasma is useless as you are generally tractored in place as well.
even if you cant move and you release plasma, your killing the drones on you, its kinda fool proof. TBR is good too, even with no aux your dealing lots of damage to them. applying plasma to a team mate who is being siphoned is a quick fix on them too. you need very specific ships to pull off a effective plasma countering though
Why so cryptic? These drain team TRIBBLE need to be put in their place and it's not going to happen with people keeping secrets and giving vague innuendos on how to deal with them. If you know of a way please enlighten us all.
@DevolvedOne
ill stop sci spaming people when tactical stop DPS spamming.
So you're saying if you have 6 power insulators and you're in the middle of a field of aceton assimilators, it drains nothing? I find that hard to believe, but at this point anything is possible it seems. And where in its description does it say that aceton assimilators magically gobble up mines? Mines should counter assimilators, not the other way around. I wonder if this aspect of them is working as intended or if it's some strange bug that just happens to make mines useless against assimilator users.
@DevolvedOne