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dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
edited October 2012 in PvP Gameplay
I went to ker'rat. 5 bad players were waiting for around the respawn zone to shot anyone is coming. It's not fairly game. You respawn they are still shot you that the system doesn't allow you to shot and strike back
It's ridiculous.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Yeah, it's been that way since launch apparently.

    It's not getting fixed. ;)
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  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This happened to me once. All the other feds left, leaving me by myself against 5 klingons. I forget which ship I was in, but it wasn't top tier. I'd spawn, they'd shoot, I'd try to escape, I'd explode, rinse and repeat. It was fun, trying different ways to escape, even not respawning straight away. Eventually, we all warped to the new level, and being right in the middle of them all, I just spewed plasma over everyone with the battle cry "PLASMA EVERYTHING!"



    It was great fun, and I earned the respect of those klingon warriors.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ker'rat has been broken as long as I can remember. What day is it? Okay, far longer than I can remember. :)

    Wish I wasn't known as Archived Post - I'd go find some of my lengthy posts on the matter.

    As is - it's been broken as long as I can remember...
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    They would have to take time to fix..... oh, who am I kidding.......
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  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited October 2012
    I went to ker'rat. 5 bad players were waiting for around the respawn zone to shot anyone is coming. It's not fairly game. You respawn they are still shot you that the system doesn't allow you to shot and strike back
    It's ridiculous.

    you should see it on a good day.

    i once got caught by 10+ klingons and went on to kill a bunch before i was killed myself.

    it is what kerrat is, the ONLY open warzone type of area in sto. dont take that away.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    it is what kerrat is, the ONLY open warzone type of area in sto. dont take that away.

    They could fix the broken respawn. They could do something about how long the warp-in takes while the ship's getting hit (yes, that's machine dependent - but it's something they could work on).

    There are some simple things they could do - which would make it a better factional warzone.

    I do not believe they should go the C&H route or a DMZ thing - but they need to fix where the Feds respawn after a restart. Or perhaps even go the Arena route with multiple respawn areas - including the initial spawn, eh?
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited October 2012
    They could fix the broken respawn. They could do something about how long the warp-in takes while the ship's getting hit (yes, that's machine dependent - but it's something they could work on).

    There are some simple things they could do - which would make it a better factional warzone.

    I do not believe they should go the C&H route or a DMZ thing - but they need to fix where the Feds respawn after a restart. Or perhaps even go the Arena route with multiple respawn areas - including the initial spawn, eh?

    sure they could, but will they? no.

    almost 3 years of "we'll get around to it" and almost everything wrong in kerrat has been there since the beta of the game and has been mentioned time and time again.

    they just dont care about pvp.
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  • captkirrahecaptkirrahe Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Well, they have to make economic decisions when running the business that STO is. The few hundred Ker'rat regulars won't feed their families.

    But then again, how much work could fixing Ker'rat, could even making two more maps like it, really be?

    Lets be honest here, they could have change the spawn situation and added more maps if they wanted. Instead they directed their focus elsewhere, whatever that's their perogative.

    The real questions are, should it be "fixed" and would more maps help?

    Some complain about spawning next to everyone else, but its an open warzone, designed with open pvp in mind, combine that with the fact that it resets after the mention at 3mins? Or so- I would say they left it like that on purpose.
    I mean, when I'm kerrating, I notice that honestly most of the time the players don't care about the objective in the middle, they want to pvp it up in some unpredictable situations-its exciting like that-all the spawn does is force them to do it straight away.

    So you've got the pvpers getting what they want right? Pvping, the respawn and price of death in there is a small amount of epeen but nothing else. (You can even warp out whilst dead ;/)

    And if a player is saying "I'm just here for the dilithium :'[ PLZ don't kill mE!" Then why are they there to begin with, there are better ways to get dilithium without pvp involved. (Can't stand the heat stay out etc.)

    As for new zones well, Kerrat is best when there are people in it and fighting becomes a glorious no holds mess, there aren't that many regular kerrat'rs so you add more zones the population will dilute between the zones and the pvp experience will diminish.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    sure they could, but will they? no.

    almost 3 years of "we'll get around to it" and almost everything wrong in kerrat has been there since the beta of the game and has been mentioned time and time again.

    they just dont care about pvp.

    It's a respawn after a restart. Sure it took them a bazillion years to fix stealing a runabout so you didn't take the turbolift to your doom (okay, not a bazillion years - just felt like that)...but it's just a respawn after the restart.

    SWITCH (faction)
    {
    case fed:
    spawn fedside;
    break;
    case kdf:
    spawn kdfside;
    break;
    default:
    gtfo;
    break;
    }

    If that code were there as players came into the zone initially or after a restart - then folks would spawn in their respective sides. It even allows for case rom: spawn romside; break; to be added if those areas ever became a threesome (though I'm guessing with the way things are going, Roms are just going to be sub-Fed and sub-KDF). Still, it would allow for a Ker'rat style map to be used for multiple teams fighting in an area - have the cases reflect the team numbers, etc, etc, etc.

    It's almost like they have the code in place for when a person initially enters the zone, but they're missing the break; on a restart.

    So it looks something like:

    case fed:
    spawn fedside;
    case kdf:
    spawn kdfside;
    break;

    The Fed spawn is falling through the statement and they are spawning on the KDF side after a restart. You kill them and they will respawn on the Fed side per the norm.

    Ugh, I really wish I wasn't Archived Post and I could find all my complaints about Ker'rat...lol.

    But yeah, it's been broken since the dawn of time...meh.
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited October 2012
    It's a respawn after a restart. Sure it took them a bazillion years to fix stealing a runabout so you didn't take the turbolift to your doom (okay, not a bazillion years - just felt like that)...but it's just a respawn after the restart.

    SWITCH (faction)
    {
    case fed:
    spawn fedside;
    break;
    case kdf:
    spawn kdfside;
    break;
    default:
    gtfo;
    break;
    }

    If that code were there as players came into the zone initially or after a restart - then folks would spawn in their respective sides. It even allows for case rom: spawn romside; break; to be added if those areas ever became a threesome (though I'm guessing with the way things are going, Roms are just going to be sub-Fed and sub-KDF). Still, it would allow for a Ker'rat style map to be used for multiple teams fighting in an area - have the cases reflect the team numbers, etc, etc, etc.

    It's almost like they have the code in place for when a person initially enters the zone, but they're missing the break; on a restart.

    So it looks something like:

    case fed:
    spawn fedside;
    case kdf:
    spawn kdfside;
    break;

    The Fed spawn is falling through the statement and they are spawning on the KDF side after a restart. You kill them and they will respawn on the Fed side per the norm.

    Ugh, I really wish I wasn't Archived Post and I could find all my complaints about Ker'rat...lol.

    But yeah, it's been broken since the dawn of time...meh.


    Don't forget, the convoy mission on Tribble season 4 had the same issue of both sides spawning at the same point. They're either very lazy or their code isn't written so that on a fresh map there can be 2 separate spawn points.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The only time I really have a problem with getting spawncamped is when the campers are using plasma, tractor beams, or P2W stuff like graviton pulse, etc. Otherwise, I can usually scramble out of the area quickly enough to avoid getting killed. And I PvP in a hit-and-run Hegh'ta build. Maybe I'm just lucky. . .

    That being said, having the Feds respawn after restart on their own side would be great. Heck, I'd like it if the restart were there, but didn't involve everyone warping out and back in (make it like N'Vak, which doesn't do the warping thing).

    First and foremost, though, I feel there needs to be more incentive to play in PvP zones like that. By my count, there are exactly 3 space PvP-oriented missions that can be done (on the KDF side, at least). . .all dailies. Kill Federation ships, kill KDF ships, and get killed by other player ships. There are 2-3 other missions for ground PvP, and 1-2 NPC missions that can be done in Ker'rat, as well as the 'complete the mission three times' quest.

    I can do the 'kill Federation ships' one really quickly, as it only requires 8 Federation ships, and if I worked in N'vak more I could do the kill KDF one quickly as well. The getting killed one is just boring, and the NPC ones aren't required to be done in Ker'rat.

    More missions, interesting missions, would lead to more people being involved in PvP. Make it LUCRATIVE, and the numbers will swell.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ker'rat is the place I tend to hit when I'm just logging in or switching to an alt I haven't played for a wee while - heading into an Arena or C&H can be very embarrassing otherwise. It's kind of like stretching before doing any exercise...
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    DMZ would ruin the fun of tricobalt mining the spawn in my B'rel which I only do as revenge if one of my other characters without battle cloak gets camped by Feds. Feds seem to camp way more then KDF, but I don't get mad I get even with tricobalt mines and watch them all explode lol.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    marc8219 wrote: »
    DMZ would ruin the fun of tricobalt mining the spawn in my B'rel which I only do as revenge if one of my other characters without battle cloak gets camped by Feds. Feds seem to camp way more then KDF, but I don't get mad I get even with tricobalt mines and watch them all explode lol.

    Many of them have no idea that they're spawn camping. They think they're defending their spawn against those pesky KDF...
  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ker'rat has 2 respawn points. I've found that after getting hit a couple times you will respawn on the opposite side of the match. Which can suck that you have to trail back to get vengeance on those who popped you. But it is a good chance to gain exp on getting out of a tight situation.

    You can also just change instances to a less populated map.

    Ker'rat is the red headed step child of STO. It's been on the list to be killed. Now I kind of find it endearing, and when I want to kill time or try a build thats where I head. Also easy loot.
  • devorasxdevorasx Member Posts: 693
    edited October 2012
    Kerrat is Kerrat, so wtf do you expect? Its a FFA zone so if you venture in there, expect to get ganked, puleverised over and over.
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  • trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    They tried to make 2 respawn points. Works sometimes. At zone reset it doesn't. I think they should have some high hit points [edit: turrets at respawn] and also few minutes in which player needs to do something and leave the defended area, otherwise he should be kicked out from zone. This is definitely not hard to do.
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited October 2012
    tactic:

    while dead, go full engine power, wait for evasives.

    respawn and go.

    have fun kill bad guys
  • tutbbsexcalbbstutbbsexcalbbs Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ker'rat is just AWESOME the way it is! It forces people IE feds to work together something they NEVER do. It forces feds to learn how to defend themselves something PVE can't do! It forces feds to realize they ARE at the bottom of the food chain something they SHOULD know. And last of all it forces noobs to MAN up or die!

    Anyhow I have YET to see anyone that asks for help in Ker'rat not get someone willing to help them with there build or how to escape the gank. Only those who cry tend to get an onslaught of people after them.

    I love zoning into a HUGE battle getting pummeled and zoom off to there anger without dying then return to kill them or make them huddle in large groups. You gotta love the huddling!!!!!! Just like in real life cows huddle together so they have a chance of survival.

    Anyhow I love Ker'rat just the way it is with all the zoning in Borg and such. If it were not for Borg stuck in the nodes then all the feds would sit over the nodes and just scan them. What fun would that be? I say put turrets on the nodes along with all the Borg there and make the dam feds work for it!

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