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Chimera and Peghqu' Class

kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Federation Discussion
Yeaaaaah.....both these ships are exactly the same in stats except the Chimera has a 0.9 shield modifier while the Peghqu' Class has a 0.833 Shield Mod. So I ask you....WHY THE HECK...does the Peghqu' Class have a Battle Cloak and the Chimera doesnt? Surely you do not believe that a VERY SLIGHT difference in Shield Strength doesnt make one more worthy of the Battle Cloak ability, or any cloaking ability at all....seriously...not cool Cryptic/PWE....
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  • jorumgandrjorumgandr Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.
  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jorumgandr wrote: »
    dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.

    Simply put, there is a REASON why the Bird of Preys were the ONLY ships to have a Enhanced Battle Cloak/Battle Cloak, because they have WEAK hulls and very poor shield modifiers. But the Peghqu Class has 34,500 hull, and a 0.833 shield mod, that is WAY to strong a hull in comparison to the B'rel Bird-of-Prey, for the Peghqu to have a Battle Cloak, simply put, they need to either give the Chimera a Cloak/Battle Cloak ability or give only a simple Cloak to the Peghqu, but not a freaken battle cloak, that just makes the Peghqu way to strong.

    Edit: I see absolutely no reason why the Chimera cannot have an innate cloaking ability while the Peghqu has the Battle Cloak, but if anyone wants to argue I can put down the stats of both ships if you really think you have any sort of counter argument to render mine invalid.

    Chimer Heavy Destroyer and Peghqu Heavy Destroyer:

    1) Hull: 34,500

    2) Shield Modifier: 0.9 (Chimera) 0.833 (Peghqu)

    3) Crew: 750

    4) Weapons: 4 Fore and 3 Aft

    5) Device: 3

    6) Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Universal Ensign, 1 Universal Lieutenant Commander

    7) Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science

    8) Base Turn Rate: 14 degrees per second

    9) Impulse Modifier: 0.22

    10) Can equip Cannons

    These ships are exactly the same except for the VERY VERY slight difference in their shield modifiers and the fact that the Peghqu has a Battle Cloak. So I honestly have to ask, why is it that the only one of these two ships that has a cloak of any kind is the Peghqu when honestly considering the stats, that the Chimera should have a cloak of some kind to?
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jorumgandr wrote: »
    dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.

    I agree, heck KDF characters start at what level 20, so even less grinding to get one to have the ship.

    If these were Z-store ships of the same cost, I could see the complaining, perhaps.

    These however are Vet rewards and if you have access to one you have access to the other, either as a 1000 day veteran or a LTS.

    Think of it as an additional rewards for being a 1000 day vet or LTS and a KDF player. :)
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    God... why is this thread here? Get your head out of your rear and think about what is required to get this ship. 300 dollars. PLUS time invested. PLUS it's a KDF ship. A klingon ship that can cloak. What a novel concept. -.-
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  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I see some of you are completely missing what i am saying, The Peghqu doesnt have just a simple cloak, its got a Battle Cloak, now stop dodging my question, why does this ship have a battle cloak instead of a standard cloak? If these two ships are to be the same then they need to have the same abilities otherwise one is just stronger then the other and i happen to know that a battle cloak gives you a huge advantage. Both of these ships ought to have a standard cloak, or at the least the Peghqu's cloak should be a normal cloak.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's a hybrid cruiser/escort. It is also a LTS ship. As I have said before, you pay 300 dollars for this ship. It's also a 9 console ship instead of 10. Both of those are reason enough to give it a better cloak. PLUS it's supposed to be a top of the line ship. AND it's KDF. NOT STARFLEET. There are only 3 fed ships in canon that had a cloaking device. The U.S.S Defiant, the U.S.S Enterprise (alternate reality/future reality version), and Admiral Janeway's shuttle from "End Game".

    Yet virtually every klingon ship you ever encounter post 22nd century has cloaking capability. So of course this one should be able to cloak. That being the case, it should have the best and the baddest stuff out there. And the battle cloak is significantly better than a regular cloak dontcha think? That is also a reason why the FEDERATION ship doesn't have cloak. That being said, have I answered your question yet?
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  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's a hybrid cruiser/escort. It is also a LTS ship. As I have said before, you pay 300 dollars for this ship. It's also a 9 console ship instead of 10. Both of those are reason enough to give it a better cloak. PLUS it's supposed to be a top of the line ship. AND it's KDF. NOT STARFLEET. There are only 3 fed ships in canon that had a cloaking device. The U.S.S Defiant, the U.S.S Enterprise (alternate reality/future reality version), and Admiral Janeway's shuttle from "End Game".

    Yet virtually every klingon ship you ever encounter post 22nd century has cloaking capability. So of course this one should be able to cloak. That being the case, it should have the best and the baddest stuff out there. And the battle cloak is significantly better than a regular cloak dontcha think? That is also a reason why the FEDERATION ship doesn't have cloak. That being said, have I answered your question yet?

    No you absolutely have not, infact you've only served to prove my point even more. The Chimera/Peghqu are a hybrid of cruiser and escort, and for 300 dollars I would expect the Fed version to have a Cloak of some kind, and besides if the Battle Cloak is really the best of the best, why is it that not all of the klingon ships ((IE the ships of purely Klingon origin)) dont have a battle cloak in the game? All of the non Bird of Prey Klingon ships have just a regular cloak while the only ships that HAVE the Battle Cloak are the Birds of Prey. The Chimera and Peghqu have the same amount of hull strength and only a VERY VERY small difference in shield modifier, the Peghqu should not have a Battle Cloak, at best it should have a normal cloak just like all other NON Bird of Prey ships on the Klingon side in this game.

    Hereticknight085, in all likely hood your only disagreeing with me because you have both ships and prefer playing as a Klingon and thus you want your Peghqu to be better then the Chimera, IE you want your prefered side's ship to be op. That is exactly what is happening here, to much power has been given to the Peghqu and thats not fair to the Chimera. The Chimera has NOTHING unique about it to give it an advantage that offsets the Peghqu's MASSIVE advantage that it has with its Battle Cloak. In short the Peghqu has to much power because of the Battle Cloak and thus the Battle Cloak needs to become a normal Cloak, or the Chimera needs to be given something special to make up for the fact that it doesnt have a cloak of any kind and because the Peghqu does have a Battle Cloak. One way or another this has to be fixed or people are not gonna be happy. You honestly cannot sit there and tell me that these two ships are balanced while one has a drastically big advantage against its Fed counterpart.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    to be honest mate , i dont see how you can make the claim that klingon ships are overpowered , when for the longest time the fed side had a distinct advantage over every ship the KDF could put out ( excelsior anyone ? )
    so its got a battle cloak , so what ?
    no offence intended , but this just strikes me as yet another ' i want a battle cloak on a fed ship '
    i know that it gives the klink ship an advantage over the chimera but thats what is supposed to happen , klingon ships have always been dangerous BECAUSE THEY CLOAK

    also , battle cloak is a powerfiul tool , but how many ways are there now of knocking ships out of cloak ?
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    kaeaja wrote: »
    Hereticknight085, in all likely hood your only disagreeing with me because you have both ships and prefer playing as a Klingon and thus you want your Peghqu to be better then the Chimera, IE you want your prefered side's ship to be op. That is exactly what is happening here, to much power has been given to the Peghqu and thats not fair to the Chimera. The Chimera has NOTHING unique about it to give it an advantage that offsets the Peghqu's MASSIVE advantage that it has with its Battle Cloak. In short the Peghqu has to much power because of the Battle Cloak and thus the Battle Cloak needs to become a normal Cloak, or the Chimera needs to be given something special to make up for the fact that it doesnt have a cloak of any kind and because the Peghqu does have a Battle Cloak. One way or another this has to be fixed or people are not gonna be happy. You honestly cannot sit there and tell me that these two ships are balanced while one has a drastically big advantage against its Fed counterpart.

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    Do you see a "(insert faction here) Veteran" under my title? Do you see "Career Officer" under my name? If you said yes to either then you can accuse me of what you did in this last post, and then you should probably get your eyes checked.

    But if you said NO, then allow me to tell you what that means. The only ones who can use those titles are subscribers/LTS. I am FREE TO PLAY. I am not a LTS, and as such cannot own either ship. I have not flown either ship, and never care to do so.

    ALSO if you paid ANY attention to any threads other than your own, you would see I am a mostly Fed player (hm... I started I think 3 threads in the fed forum, responded to at least a dozen, and on the kdf forum... I think maybe 2?). I actually prefer my fed (or at least I will until my fleet bothers to get a tier 2 starbase, then I will probably play kdf more) and rather like flying my fat space whale.

    So I basically just nullified both of your attempts to justify that what I am saying as logic to be favoritism to the klingons. But you know what? They deserve it. They deserve to get better things than the feds. For one reason only.

    The federation has been getting the best of the releases since launch, and even after the KDF came out as playable, the feds still got better stuff with every new release.
    You don't believe me? Look at carriers. That was supposed to be KDF exclusive, then the atrox came out, then the nightmare known as the armitage came out. What did the KDF get? The Kar'fi (great ship mind you), but they have NOTHING that comes even close to the armitage (if you say corsair, Imma slap you, there's no comparison there).

    Then the feds got the Regent. What did KDF get? More bugs. A few more voles in their EPS conduits. And a tribble colony in their replicators.

    The KDF side has weaker escort class ships (compare fed escorts to KDF raptors and you will see HUGE discrepancies with performance, and I mean actually fly the two sides, don't just look at stat sheets), NOTHING in the science department save two gorn ships (neither of which are tier 5), and cruisers that cannot tank nearly as well (granted they make up for it with high damage output and being more nimble, but still).

    And you have the gall to sit here and tell me the KDF gaining a ship that is slightly better is a travesty (and yes, it's only slightly, you overestimate the power of a battlecloak)? The true calamity here is that you never bothered to compare the two sides as a whole, and if you did, you would see that the KDF isn't being given an advantage here, it is in fact being given something that will help bridge the already massive gap in strength between the feds and KDF.

    Being as it's 4 in the morning here, I would love to add on to this list of why the battle cloak is fair, but just re-read what I said, and maybe you'll see the logic as to why the Chimera and Peghqu are fair. They are identical in every way, except the klingon one has slightly less durability, but has a battle-cloak, and the chimera is tankier. Believe it or not, that .07 can save your butt. Especially in PvE, knock enough damage off a torp to live XD.

    And as for battle-cloak? Yeah, I agree, it was a little odd that they gave it a b-cloak instead of a regular cloak, but hey, whatever, that ship cost 300 dollars to get, might as well give it TOtL stuff.

    And the feds do not naturally have cloaks. So why would the chimera have one? And if you say because it's a 300 dollar ship like the KDF one, I will simply respond that yes, it's a 300 dollar ship, but guess what, it's a hybrid escort/cruiser. And not a dinky hybrid like the Specter from halo, but a really good hybrid, like the ones from SC2. It has the best of both worlds. The tankiness and healing ability of a cruiser, combined with the speed, maneuverability and probable damage output of an escort. It's essentially the perfect ship (except it only has 9 console slots. Weird choice there Cryptic XD). So what if it can't cloak? The Chimera can dish it out, and take it. Da bugga no need da cloak bra!

    P.S. To OP, on a side-note, there is only one perfect cloak in the game, and it belongs to the Romulan/Reman Scimitar-Class Dreadnought. That is the ONLY ship that can still have it's shields up when cloaked (ironically enough it can also recharge them during that period of time, just ask anyone who does KSE. @#$%ing Donatra... -.-). Anybody else, when you cloak, your shields go down. BoP, Raptor, BattleCruiser, Heavy Destroyer, Defiant-R, Fleet Defiant-R, it doesn't matter. If you get hit by mines/torps/the kitchen sink during that period, there's a good chance your ship will be totalled (or at least need a new outer hull and paint job depending on the ship class).
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    i couldnt agree more , the KDF gets a powerful ship and all of a sudden people cry about it , put yourself in the shoes of the KDF , they been consistently downplayed in terms of ships for the longest time . all of a sudden they get a strong ship , and people get mad about it
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Unwad your underwear, OP. The battle cloak is only an advantage for escaping and surprise attacks. It does not make the GV Peg OP in any way.

    Your fed Defiant-R and Fleet Defiant-R do both 10 times better. Fly one of those.
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  • wargibbonwargibbon Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Finally the KDF actually get something that's useful. I don't mind the fact the Chimera doesn't have cloaking abilities, it shouldn't have due the fact it's a Fed ship. Plus it's a reward for those willing to shell out $199 for an LTS, not $300 as mentioned before. A little perk worth having if you ask me
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    everyone has their preference , i hate cannons and turrets too ;)
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  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I don't want to complain, but I do not like the KDF faction as much even though I like a lot of the ships better. This creates a conflict as I keep trying to like KDF. I played my KDF for 2 days just to enjoy the new Veteran ship with Battle Cloak only to go back to FED and fly the less fun Chimera. I do not want to put down the KDF, however I can relate to how others feel who prefer the KDF ships but cannot enjoy the faction as designed. Would I stay KDF if the faction was equal? I honestly cannot say, but I am not a lover of the FED ship styles going all the way back to TOS. My favorite was the Defiant for looks but I do not like the Boff layout. I like a more versatile ship like the BoP or the new Veteran ships.

    Again, I do not want to whine or complain, I just understand wanting a sleek, non saucer, cool looking ship with battle cloak on the FED side. I also understand the need for uniqueness. We cannot have everything we want. It is just a part of life, the bad guys usually have cooler cars, except for Miami Vice, Knight Rider, etc... oh never mind, lol.

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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    Thats just it though , federation ships arent really supposed to cloak , the dreadnought is from an alternate reality , but remember the defiants cloak was loaned from the romulans , any research into cloaks by the federation seems to be heavily frowned upon
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  • dan512dan512 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Trollolllloooo Best troll thread ive seen in a while.

    I have both, and you know what, the peghgu dies alot easier than my chimera does both on tacticals, both built the same way. In pvp, and elite stf's my chimera can seem to take more of a beating than the peghgu, so i use the battle cloak to get away. Unlike my bop i dont get off as much of a attack or able to turn as fast, but i do live better than my bop ever did. So what? Its the best kdf ship that was a secret ship built, of course they are going to put their best cloaking ability on it, frankly i think all cloak should be battle cloak because we never saw a kdf ship go, OH GOD..WERE AT RED ALERT, WE CANT CLOAK OH NOOOOO!!!!

    lol.
  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Really the only reason I made this thread was to point out the fact that the Peghqu has a battle cloak instead of a normal cloak. The Battle Cloak has been the thing of the Bird of Preys in this game for a long time. It just seems wrong to create a ship thats has way more survivability then a BoP and on top of that give it a Battle Cloak.

    Also to those who might not know. The Treaty of Algeron, which prevented the Federation from researching or or developing their own Cloaking Technology to begin with, is no longer in effect due to the destruction of Romulus and the reformation of the Romulan Empire under Empress Sela. The Federation fielded two ships with cloaking technology, the Galaxy-class Dreadnought as seen in "All Good Things" and a retrofit of the Defiant-class. So now in Star Trek Online there is nothing stopping the Federation from creating more ships with a Cloaking Device. Don't believe me? Read the Apocrypha section of this link to Memory Alpha.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron

    There is absolutely no reason why the Chimera shouldnt have a Cloaking Device (Normal or Battle Cloak) just like the Peghqu now that the Treaty of Algeron isnt in effect anymore.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    except that in canon , the federation doesnt make use of cloaking devices , and the federations status as ' the hero' in the various star trek series usually prevents them from using it ( the defiant is an exception , seeing as its cloaking device was primarily borrowed to explore the gamma quadrant undetected by the dominion )
    as for the all good things D , thats an alternate timeline that ceased to exist
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  • jacenjacen24jacenjacen24 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Op so your saying they shouldve just made one vet ship that both klings and fess could fly. Instead of making 2 ships.

    Cause thats what you want the identical reward for kling and fed.

    It is a good thing that every ship cant do what every other ship can
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Quite frankly, there should have been a Fleet ship option of this for the KDF. Most of the escorts are bad and the fleet raiders are a joke. On the otherhand the feds have 5 tac console escorts (they have a cloak), 4 sci console escorts. Don't get me started on the Sci ship options for KDF. The best KDF "escort" excluding the Vet ship is the Fleet Tor'kaht, a cruisers ...

    Yes, for the KDF playstyle the KDF vet ship suites it well. Too bad there are so little other options. Even a 3 sci console vet ship varient would help Sci captains stuck in Brel or Carriers.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    to be honest mate , i dont see how you can make the claim that klingon ships are overpowered , when for the longest time the fed side had a distinct advantage over every ship the KDF could put out ( excelsior anyone ? )
    so its got a battle cloak , so what ?
    no offence intended , but this just strikes me as yet another ' i want a battle cloak on a fed ship '
    i know that it gives the klink ship an advantage over the chimera but thats what is supposed to happen , klingon ships have always been dangerous BECAUSE THEY CLOAK

    also , battle cloak is a powerfiul tool , but how many ways are there now of knocking ships out of cloak ?

    Exactly. Having the battlecloak on a ship like the Peghqu' isn't that great. Unless you build the thing to run away a lot, and quickly, you're not gonna get a ton of use out of the battlecloak. Battlecloaking while under fire is usually suicide, so you have to get clear of the battle.

    The reason BoPs can do hit-and-run with the battlecloak is because most hit-and-run BoP setups have 2 copies of Attack Pattern Omega, Evasive Maneuvers with Evasive Maneuver conn doffs, high engine power, and maybe an Impulse Capacitance Cell for emergencies. That all takes room in terms of doffs, consoles, and Boff powers. Add to that the fact that the BoPs already unfairly sacrifice capabilities in terms of stats, and you've got ships that are mostly outclassed by Fed escorts. The Hegh'ta makes a great hit-and-run skirmisher, as long as you don't mind running every 15-30 seconds to wait out your cooldowns (slugging it out in most situations will result in just getting blown up quickly, something not desirable in arenas). The B'Rel retro makes for a very nasty sci-assassin sort of setup, using all manner of nifty sci attacks and tricobalt mines from cloak, as well as bombarding the enemy with transphasic and chroniton torpedoes. I think its use is somewhat lessened in the arena setup, though.
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  • proteus22proteus22 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    the raeson the feds dont use cloak is because at one time they did they sent several ships with cloak into tthe neutral zone after the tomed incident this casused escalation of conflict with romuleans during this a isolationist group took over romulean senate and agreed to negotiate a peace treaty at the planet algeron part of the treaty was for fed to give up all use of cloaking devices for combat . but since that romulean empoire no longer exists why is the feds still honoring it
  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    except that in canon , the federation doesnt make use of cloaking devices , and the federations status as ' the hero' in the various star trek series usually prevents them from using it ( the defiant is an exception , seeing as its cloaking device was primarily borrowed to explore the gamma quadrant undetected by the dominion )
    as for the all good things D , thats an alternate timeline that ceased to exist

    ......Are you kidding me? Star Trek Online continues the story of Star Trek, everything thats in it, follows what happens after the shows, for example the fact that Romulus has been destroyed, the existence of Sela, Tasha's Daughter who is now the leader of the Romulan Empire. And add to that, the FACT that the Treaty of Algeron is no longer in effect, there is no reason for the Federation to no longer abide by it, its been rendered null so they are free to use Cloaking Devices.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    just because a treaty is no longer in effect , does not mean the federation will immediately start researching and using cloaking devices

    an example.

    wells class , 29th century ship seen in voyager , arguably hasnt been a ship BUILT that would have a better use for a cloaking device ( easy way to prevent polluting timeline)

    does it have one ?

    no
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    wargibbon wrote: »
    Plus it's a reward for those willing to shell out $199 for an LTS, not $300 as mentioned before. A little perk worth having if you ask me

    actually, when its not on sale its 299. so it can be both.

    Also.... 1000 Divided by 365 = about 2.8 times 12 = around 33. times that by 15 = 495 for those unable to afford the lump sum but subbed continuously for 1000 days to get the ship.
    kaeaja wrote: »
    ......Are you kidding me? Star Trek Online continues the story of Star Trek, everything thats in it, follows what happens after the shows, for example the fact that Romulus has been destroyed, the existence of Sela, Tasha's Daughter who is now the leader of the Romulan Empire. And add to that, the FACT that the Treaty of Algeron is no longer in effect, there is no reason for the Federation to no longer abide by it, its been rendered null so they are free to use Cloaking Devices.



    um.... just cause romulus was destroyed and the romulans are being... romulans, doesnt mean the Treaty is null and void.

    P.S. Ever think the Federation simply doesnt use cloaking Devices for a MORAL reason rather than LEGAL reasons? Hell... i dont even think section 31 uses cloaking Devices.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    OP, I have one thing to say. You say that there is no reason why the Chimera shouldn't have a battle-cloak right? My only response is that there is also no reason why the Chimera should have a battle-cloak. TRIBBLE for tat. You say no reason why not, I say no reason why yes.

    Feds don't use cloaks. It's kind of a given thing. Again, in the ENTIRE Star Trek series, ALL of them, there have only been 4 ships that used cloaking devices.

    U.S.S Enterprise (stolen romulan cloaking device hot-wired in my Scotty)
    U.S.S Pegasus (I think it was the pegasus that had the phased cloak, I could be wrong, if I am please correct me)
    U.S.S Enterprise D (alternate future)
    U.S.S Defiant (on loan, NOT GIVEN from RSE)

    That's 4 ships. Now let's see... how many klingon ships are seen in the entire series using cloaking devices... Try every single klingon ship ever made? Not including the klingon ships from the "Enterprise" series. The cloakers there were the romulans and suliban. But EVERY single klingon ship from TOS, TNG, DS9 could cloak (ok a few from TOS didn't cloak, but I believe despite their foolish decision not to use it, they were still cloak capable).

    So I say again, why should the Chimera be able to cloak? You are correct, there is no REAL reason why not (other than what I just listed above, but let's just say what I said above is meaningless, because apparently logic and reason are ignore here), but there is also no reason why it should.
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  • dan512dan512 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    kaeaja wrote: »
    Really the only reason I made this thread was to point out the fact that the Peghqu has a battle cloak instead of a normal cloak. The Battle Cloak has been the thing of the Bird of Preys in this game for a long time. It just seems wrong to create a ship thats has way more survivability then a BoP and on top of that give it a Battle Cloak.

    Also to those who might not know. The Treaty of Algeron, which prevented the Federation from researching or or developing their own Cloaking Technology to begin with, is no longer in effect due to the destruction of Romulus and the reformation of the Romulan Empire under Empress Sela. The Federation fielded two ships with cloaking technology, the Galaxy-class Dreadnought as seen in "All Good Things" and a retrofit of the Defiant-class. So now in Star Trek Online there is nothing stopping the Federation from creating more ships with a Cloaking Device. Don't believe me? Read the Apocrypha section of this link to Memory Alpha.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron

    There is absolutely no reason why the Chimera shouldnt have a Cloaking Device (Normal or Battle Cloak) just like the Peghqu now that the Treaty of Algeron isnt in effect anymore.
    ALl good things, alternate time line, sorry wrongo again. Truthfully in cannon, all kdf is battle cloak since they can cloak in battle if you want to play the cannon game. The defiant only was supposed to cloak if a romulan was on board, not only that the federation doesnt beleive in hiding. So sowry.
  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,745 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's a hybrid cruiser/escort. It is also a LTS ship. As I have said before, you pay 300 dollars for this ship. It's also a 9 console ship instead of 10. Both of those are reason enough to give it a better cloak. PLUS it's supposed to be a top of the line ship. AND it's KDF. NOT STARFLEET. There are only 3 fed ships in canon that had a cloaking device. The U.S.S Defiant, the U.S.S Enterprise (alternate reality/future reality version), and Admiral Janeway's shuttle from "End Game".

    Yet virtually every klingon ship you ever encounter post 22nd century has cloaking capability. So of course this one should be able to cloak. That being the case, it should have the best and the baddest stuff out there. And the battle cloak is significantly better than a regular cloak dontcha think? That is also a reason why the FEDERATION ship doesn't have cloak. That being said, have I answered your question yet?

    actually you forgot USS Enterprise NCC 1701 and 1701D, each had a cloak in a single episode.
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  • kaeajakaeaja Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Hahaha nice, i love these responses. Did I really say that the Chimera needs to have a Battle Cloak? I have openly suggested it could either use a Battle Cloak OR a NORMAL Cloak. Also Admiral Janeway's shuttle had Stealth technology which made it cloaked. Secondly in regards to the Wells Class Timeship, why would a Temporal Ship need a cloaking device when it can make sure its own presence is never known? That is what the Wells does, It made sure the timeline was not polluted and it didnt even need to travel through time so its existence is already unknown, so to judge that a ship doesnt have a cloaking device just because you havent seen it use one, doesnt mean it doesnt have one.

    BTW, if you want to get all canonical on me, let me put it this way, the Mask Energy Signature is essentially a Cloak in of itself, it just doesnt litterally hide the ship from the naked eye but just sensors. So Fed ships can already Cloak themselves by masking their energy signature from sensors, sure its not as strong as a true blue Cloak. Point being the Federation already has means of hiding themselves when they need to, however they could do that alot better if they had wide spread use of Cloaks.

    And....yes....the Treaty of Algeron is null and void....if you pay attention to the little tid bits of information that pass through in Loading Screens, you would know that. If you really paid attention to Canon, the Treaty of Algeron is what keeps the Federation from using Cloaking technology even though they really want to but cant.
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