ok now Granted the Nebula or Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit (tier 5) is a C-store ship but I was wondering why I dont see more of these Science ships in the game... I can go to the most heavily populated areas in the game and at most I see 1 or two others in that area and thats countiing me...
Is there some problem with the Nebula Retrofit that I am un-aware of ? or is it that people would rather spend thier zen points on something other than arguable the best science ship in the game... second to the Wells Class at the moment.
I have come up with Viable Builds for the retrofit and fleet versions of this ship that seem to work well... but seriously is there some problem with the nebula that I do not know about ?
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oor is it that people would rather spend thier zen points on something other than arguable the best science ship in the game... second to the Wells Class at the moment.
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This, it is very simple, we have lots of ships to use, but the latest ships inserted into the systems are considered OP (more useful if you like) so everyone have to use them, call it PvP or PvE, since they have better BOFF layouts and passive abilities.
A partner of mine use (and won't change) the Nebula, you can contact him if you want to share builds, he simply loves that ship.
The nebula is a very nice ship. The console on it is not the best by a long shot. Science is one of the hardest ships to plan for with all the changes and when looking in the c-store I'm sure a lot of people eye up the atrox.
I have an engineer in the fleet nebula and it is very tanky. I still wish I could use the venture skin on it.
Most of the Z-store ships I bought have all been the lower tiered ones Fed side but one of the T5 ships I have bought is the Neb, because as you say it is quite simply an awesome ship. I love its ruggedness and sensor analysis and any sci toon of mine will generally be seen flying either this or a D'kyr.
In fact i like the Nebula in STO better then in other games.
I really like its BOFF layout, i think it's one of the better ones in this game. It makes the ship very versatile and fun, compared to the Galaxy class for instance.
But i really HATE its looks. Since i saw it in TNG: the Wounded i think it is an exceptional ugly ship, a really bad made Galaxy Class kitbash.
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ok now Granted the Nebula or Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit (tier 5) is a C-store ship but I was wondering why I dont see more of these Science ships in the game... I can go to the most heavily populated areas in the game and at most I see 1 or two others in that area and thats countiing me...
Is there some problem with the Nebula Retrofit that I am un-aware of ? or is it that people would rather spend thier zen points on something other than arguable the best science ship in the game... second to the Wells Class at the moment.
I have come up with Viable Builds for the retrofit and fleet versions of this ship that seem to work well... but seriously is there some problem with the nebula that I do not know about ?
For me at least, I have never seen the "value" in the Nebby...
1. I, personally, am not a fan of the BOff layout. With only 5 "dedicated" slots, and 2 more through putting a science in the universal, the best you can wind up with is 1 Lt Cmdr and 1 Cmdr science powers, while both the Luna and DSSV (the tier-contemporaries) have LtCmdr and Cmdr Science BOffs, which let me run GW III, TSS III and Energy Syphon II...
2. It's "engineering secondaried", which (for PvE at least) is not as useful for a Sci as a tactical secondary, a well built tank or even decently built escort should be able to keep aggro better than a spiking Sci, so the engineering focuses rarely are what saves your bacon while the tactical secondary on the RSV helps the sci eek out as much DPS as possible.
3. Turn rate is poor, and since a good majority of "offensive" science powers fire off in the forward torpedo arc or need to be dropped point blank, the lack of maneuverability (unless offset with multiple RCS consoles) limits the times that the Science can use their abilities to augment damage.
4. The freebie console is very, meh. From what I hear, it doesn't work against the primary (and to the best of my knowledge only) late-game cloaker (Donatra), and for PvP I believe high perception or even the emission seeking torpedo is of greater cloak-hunting benefit than a once-every-3-minute detection.
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I compared it to the reccon science ship and took
The fleet version of that ship
The nebula lacked I'n several areas
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I'm a huge fan of the Nebula. I have a Pakled science captain that I leveled up just for that ship. The only thing I really did was take off the special console it comes with and used a few of the other science ones. The detection grid is nice, but really it's only useful in a handful of occasions. The other science consoles just seem to work better.
Anyway the Nebula is nice if you set it up right. It's really a science/cruiser hybrid. It's not fast or quick to turn, but it will lay down some pain if you are willing to work with it. I've got 3 Fed sci captains. One uses the Intrepid refit, one uses the Recon Sci, and the other uses the Nebula and I have to say the Nebula is the most fun.
I can help you out with specing it if you want just shoot me an in game message and I can see what I can do.
But i really HATE its looks. Since i saw it in TNG: the Wounded i think it is an exceptional ugly ship, a really bad made Galaxy Class kitbash.
Agreed. The Nebula is stunning in how terrible it looks. I love the Galaxy-class' aesthetics. The Nebula looks like a squashed down kitbash of the Galaxy with some ugly looking doodad on top of it. It took what was a really elegant and graceful looking ship and made it ugly.
Mhmm mostly the for the reasons listed above, is why I don't fly around in my Nebula. I love the Nebula don't get me wrong, but if the stats were updated and a better console was offered I might throw my main into it. Otherwise, I'm fine and happy in my Excelsior.
(My sig is devoted to my Intrepid, simply because I haven't made a little graphic for my Excelsior.)
I still want to know how the ship moves at sublight speed, as, even the on air models shown on TNG and DS9 had no Impulse Engine visibale (and the STO Nebula model is true to that aspect as well)
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I still want to know how the ship moves at sublight speed, as, even the on air models shown on TNG and DS9 had no Impulse Engine visibale (and the STO Nebula model is true to that aspect as well)
Rick Sternbach who designed the ship said this:
One of the rationalizations I imagined ages ago for having no obvious impulse grilles involved capturing and compressing the impulse fusion reaction exhaust and later releasing it from special non-propulsive ports. If the Nebula class was employed in a stealthy surveillance mode, it would be smart to minimize all overboard emissions. Since most all ?modern? impulse engines involve little or no pure rocket thrust, but more of a sub-warp drive, one could say that the familiar orange Starfleet glowy exhausts could be modified or eliminated.
I liked my nebula. It filled a very good fleet support role when I play with my friends as a healer engineer. That said, I freely admit to moving to the Sci Odyssey instead.
It boils down to play style. I wouldn't mind seeing/using the nebula more often. But a) it costs money (for new people to fly it), b) it takes a degree of effort to find the right build for it.
I still have mine, partly cause I don't like to discharge ships. Maybe I should drag it out for old time's sake, or maybe I should work towards the Fleet version.
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I adore the Neb, and almost made it my command ship (until I decided to cave into my childhood desires and go DNC).
And I think its a cute kitbash. No, liking the DNC is not related... I think. :P
I still feel that the Neb is the best healer in the game, even with all the newfangled ships out there. Its low turn rate isn't as painful as a cruiser, its uni slots and Eng focus allows me to slot EPtS, Aux2SIF, ES and RSP and still pack enough HE, TSS and PH. Perfect for a dps/healer role.
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I wouldn't mind trying a Nebula Class. However doing a Sci role character isn't on my list yet. As I want to do a Tactical next. After that I will plan on doing the Sci one. First to finish my Eng character.
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Agreed. The Nebula is stunning in how terrible it looks. I love the Galaxy-class' aesthetics. The Nebula looks like a squashed down kitbash of the Galaxy with some ugly looking doodad on top of it. It took what was a really elegant and graceful looking ship and made it ugly.
The nebula is a TNG-ified Miranda.
Start with a Galaxy saucer as the base. Add "mission pod" instead of rollbar & photon launcher block. Drop 2 nacelles off the port/starboard bottom of the saucer. Skip back end changes as Galaxy class saucer has integrated impulse drives & shuttlebay. Nebula.
The looks aren't too bad. It's probably, to me, the "best update" of a TOS/TMP ship to TNG aesthetics. As I said, it's the console and BOff layout that turn me off of that ship.
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My shopping list for account wide ships are: DNC for cruiser, Armitage for esc, Atrox for sci, and waiting on a destroyer-type vessel (or the 4th class that Feds may get), or the Neb.
Hopefully, fleet upgrades exist for all of them, eventually.
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I didn't go for the Nebula. At 40 I went with a D'Kyr and now that we have a carrier Fed side I fly it. When I feel like actually turning I get into my Mirror Recon Sci.
Why? First and foremost I find it to be fugly. Second was the turn rate (but I've gotten better at dealing with that since I made the decision)
Edit: If I knew then what I know now, I might have bought the Nebula instead of the D'Kyr, as now its stats look great to me and I know how many graphic glitches the D'Kyr has :P Oh well I still love her and her Tal'Kyr.
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I would like to get it out there that all Nebula Captains should pick a dfay and all meet somewhere and see just how many people actually still use the Nebula who knows maybe we can get others interested in it if they see a bunch of in the same location at the same time
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The main reason I don't use the Nebula at all is that we only have the badly made DS9 CGI kitbash version with the Galaxy deflector instead of the correct version we originally saw on TNG
At least PvP-wise, the Nebby is still a great ship. She used to be a lot stronger (she has an awesome BOff layout) but lockbox power creep has hurt her standings a little.
Still an awesome ship with big shields and pretty decent hull strength. The temporal stuff has dampened the Nebs throne, but that doesn't bother me as you see far less of them around. (Its fun being a unique snowflake)
I run one in my tac in a supportive role, both in PVE and PVP. Its pretty fun to TRIBBLE with science abilities, mines, torps, etc.
My opinion is that the Nebula is arguably the BEST science ship in the game second only to the Wells class and thats ONLY if you have the Temporal Console set to put on it.... as for th Orb Weaver being better than a Nebula I just dont see it as I RARELY see a Orb Weaver in PVP and only slightly more than that in STF's....
guess it really just comes down to what a player likes and dislikes visually
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I thoroughly enjoy the Neblua, and use it on all of my Commander rank characters during the grind to VA.
The Console layout is suited for its role as a Science vessel, and its Boff layout is superb.
One tac console limits its dps of course, but come on, Gravity well ftw!
My only quarm with it is the sensor array on the top; it just looks silly.
I've barely touched science vessels, to be honest, I'm a tac/cruiser captain to the core. However, of the few I've put dedicated builds into, the Nebula Refit has definitely been the most rewarding. Of all the sci-boats I've tried, including the Orb Weaver and Mirror Luna, she's the most cruiser-like of the bunch, being very easy to fit an effective tank set up to, without compromising it's gadget array of science abilities, so it does match my preferred playstyle more effectively.
It all comes down to what suits your own personal tastes, and this one definitely suits mine.
now Curiosity has the better of me here and this is prolly not a good idea but I would LOVE to see a 5 man PVP Nebula team.... just to see what happened
so in the spirit of the holidays lets try and get a 5 man all nebula PVP team together just to see how it would perform.... might be interesting seeing the different takes from a tac perspective and an engineer perspective....... but 5 Nebulas on a 5man team COULD be something scarey or ot could flop and be a waste of time either way it would make for a fun experiment
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This, it is very simple, we have lots of ships to use, but the latest ships inserted into the systems are considered OP (more useful if you like) so everyone have to use them, call it PvP or PvE, since they have better BOFF layouts and passive abilities.
A partner of mine use (and won't change) the Nebula, you can contact him if you want to share builds, he simply loves that ship.
he is @cerritouru
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I have an engineer in the fleet nebula and it is very tanky. I still wish I could use the venture skin on it.
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I really like its BOFF layout, i think it's one of the better ones in this game. It makes the ship very versatile and fun, compared to the Galaxy class for instance.
But i really HATE its looks. Since i saw it in TNG: the Wounded i think it is an exceptional ugly ship, a really bad made Galaxy Class kitbash.
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For me at least, I have never seen the "value" in the Nebby...
1. I, personally, am not a fan of the BOff layout. With only 5 "dedicated" slots, and 2 more through putting a science in the universal, the best you can wind up with is 1 Lt Cmdr and 1 Cmdr science powers, while both the Luna and DSSV (the tier-contemporaries) have LtCmdr and Cmdr Science BOffs, which let me run GW III, TSS III and Energy Syphon II...
2. It's "engineering secondaried", which (for PvE at least) is not as useful for a Sci as a tactical secondary, a well built tank or even decently built escort should be able to keep aggro better than a spiking Sci, so the engineering focuses rarely are what saves your bacon while the tactical secondary on the RSV helps the sci eek out as much DPS as possible.
3. Turn rate is poor, and since a good majority of "offensive" science powers fire off in the forward torpedo arc or need to be dropped point blank, the lack of maneuverability (unless offset with multiple RCS consoles) limits the times that the Science can use their abilities to augment damage.
4. The freebie console is very, meh. From what I hear, it doesn't work against the primary (and to the best of my knowledge only) late-game cloaker (Donatra), and for PvP I believe high perception or even the emission seeking torpedo is of greater cloak-hunting benefit than a once-every-3-minute detection.
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The fleet version of that ship
The nebula lacked I'n several areas
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Anyway the Nebula is nice if you set it up right. It's really a science/cruiser hybrid. It's not fast or quick to turn, but it will lay down some pain if you are willing to work with it. I've got 3 Fed sci captains. One uses the Intrepid refit, one uses the Recon Sci, and the other uses the Nebula and I have to say the Nebula is the most fun.
I can help you out with specing it if you want just shoot me an in game message and I can see what I can do.
Granted, I don't PvP, STF or PvE, I just do the story missions and my own thing in game.
I like the clasee in general and has a really nice turn rate compare given that it LOOKS like a cruiser.
I did finally remove the Tach filed console, as I am no longer in missions that have cloaked ships, completely forgot what I replaced it with...
But all in all I like it.
(My sig is devoted to my Intrepid, simply because I haven't made a little graphic for my Excelsior.)
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Built right it can out gun cruisers. But yea its console is junk, I use a subspace jumper insted.
I've switched part of its build to my Chimera now but I still love my fleet neb.
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Rick Sternbach who designed the ship said this:
from: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/nebula-class/#comment-14934
It boils down to play style. I wouldn't mind seeing/using the nebula more often. But a) it costs money (for new people to fly it), b) it takes a degree of effort to find the right build for it.
I still have mine, partly cause I don't like to discharge ships. Maybe I should drag it out for old time's sake, or maybe I should work towards the Fleet version.
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And I think its a cute kitbash. No, liking the DNC is not related... I think. :P
I still feel that the Neb is the best healer in the game, even with all the newfangled ships out there. Its low turn rate isn't as painful as a cruiser, its uni slots and Eng focus allows me to slot EPtS, Aux2SIF, ES and RSP and still pack enough HE, TSS and PH. Perfect for a dps/healer role.
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The nebula is a TNG-ified Miranda.
Start with a Galaxy saucer as the base. Add "mission pod" instead of rollbar & photon launcher block. Drop 2 nacelles off the port/starboard bottom of the saucer. Skip back end changes as Galaxy class saucer has integrated impulse drives & shuttlebay. Nebula.
The looks aren't too bad. It's probably, to me, the "best update" of a TOS/TMP ship to TNG aesthetics. As I said, it's the console and BOff layout that turn me off of that ship.
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Hopefully, fleet upgrades exist for all of them, eventually.
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Ditto. It would be wise to offer up the variants in-game methods as well as Z-Store. It would make the Nebula that much more attractive and versatile.
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Why? First and foremost I find it to be fugly. Second was the turn rate (but I've gotten better at dealing with that since I made the decision)
Edit: If I knew then what I know now, I might have bought the Nebula instead of the D'Kyr, as now its stats look great to me and I know how many graphic glitches the D'Kyr has :P Oh well I still love her and her Tal'Kyr.
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I run one in my tac in a supportive role, both in PVE and PVP. Its pretty fun to TRIBBLE with science abilities, mines, torps, etc.
guess it really just comes down to what a player likes and dislikes visually
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The Console layout is suited for its role as a Science vessel, and its Boff layout is superb.
One tac console limits its dps of course, but come on, Gravity well ftw!
My only quarm with it is the sensor array on the top; it just looks silly.
It all comes down to what suits your own personal tastes, and this one definitely suits mine.
so in the spirit of the holidays lets try and get a 5 man all nebula PVP team together just to see how it would perform.... might be interesting seeing the different takes from a tac perspective and an engineer perspective....... but 5 Nebulas on a 5man team COULD be something scarey or ot could flop and be a waste of time either way it would make for a fun experiment
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