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fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
edited October 2012 in PvP Gameplay
People have been proposing Gentleman's Accords and Peace Summits and Weapons bans and silk panties in which to PvP. While I have nothing against any of those things, I have a proposition of my own for all of the STO PvP community:
NO MORE TEARS


UNFOUND has been preparing for PvP since its inception; getting stomped, rolled, and mercilessly devastated, over and over and over again. Not once have we cried foul (Except at AFKers; Everyone hates them). Now that many of us can hold our own in PvP, the lessons we've learned have made us prepare for many contingencies, such as the need for hold resists. We still get roflstomped from time to time; we roll and get rolled; we have epic battles. We don't gorram cry about any result or tactic. We understood that One Does Not Simply Enter STO PvP. Now, I love tears as much as the next troll, but this river of sadness is pathetic. We have taken and are taking the time and effort to be competitive in PvP and most of what we hear is whining, crying, and how bad the sand itches. Stop crying and have the guramba to accept defeat graciously.

Out of respect, we avoid anything TRULY bugged until repaired (Such as things that cause weapons to stop firing until a re-log). If it can't be countered, it's bugged; otherwise, use whatever is available. Go cry to your mother about how unfair it is that you were beaten mercilessly with your own limbs. I, for one, would hate to see the queues become one big "Care Bear Stare" contest. If you lose, grit your teeth and say nothing or just type "gg", then go get better. Want a specific game type that doesn't use certain equipment? Make a private game using OrganizedPvP Channel or whatever to fill it. If you think something really needs to change, make a forum post to discuss the issue with civility or submit a ticket.


Never grant your enemy the satisfaction of your tears. -Feargan
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  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited October 2012
    But tears fuel my warp core!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    But tears fuel my warp core!

    They are also VERY delicious, especially when they come from established PvP fleet members. It makes us all in PvP community look bad, though. Like a bunch of bratty kids or some garbage.
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  • craigthemastercraigthemaster Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Yes tears are my drink of choice. I get moaned at using the atroz with runabouts, ("oh look you got to use runabouts with tractor beams"). So I swap them and I get maoaned at for using Delta flyers. I can't win. Well I can. My atrox of doom can take a beatig and many give up or die before even taking a sheild ark down. Cry, Cry... Cry. Cry, Cry. Fill up my cup, Mazel tov. Mwhahahah. So now I have just desided to use what I like and what goes best for my play style. I do not cry when a heard of panda come down the hill. Get on with. Get Crunchie. Stop crying. Because I happen to care less for crying then the other more forgiving type. Game on. And bottoms up.

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  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek

    We don't use AMS, grav pulse, SNB doffs, Scramble, or more than 2x Shield dist doffs... out of sheer boredom.

    Also, thank you for the delicious tears :D
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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    We don't use AMS, grav pulse, SNB doffs, Scramble, or more than 2x Shield dist doffs... out of sheer boredom.

    Also, thank you for the delicious tears :D

    OK then what is the point of the thread again then ?

    We don't use any of the broken stuff either, but your all stupid stupid heads for pointing out what we also believe. The above make PvP boring and in general dumb. So ya you stupid stupid heads, stop wining ? lol

    Nice troll thread... very under the radar there. lol
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This thread remember me a famous english new wave band of the eighties, the Tears for fears...but sorry...I'm digressing...:D

    That... was actually rather clever and funny. *Raises Glass*
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  • craigthemastercraigthemaster Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Nub !!! I have spent nouthing on this game. All my gear has come fom grinding out Dilithium and E/C untill I have enough to get what I feel is good gear for "MY" ship. Who are you to dictate what PvP'ers are and Are not allowed to use. If you don't like what people are using do the hard graft and get some consoles. But this is what we are getting at. You are crying about peoples builds. People that have been playing since BETA !!!! Why should they bow to what you want and say. I think it is totally out or order to socially criticise someones hard work at something they enjoy doing.
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    husanakx wrote: »
    OK then what is the point of the thread again then ?
    ...
    Nice troll thread... very under the radar there. lol


    Point? hmmm... everybody Wang Chung tonight?

    In all sincerity:

    Use whatever you want; Keep the crying out of the game; use the forum and support tickets to complain.

    Otherwise, I'll always laugh and drink your tears. Call it a fair warning. :D
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I for one welcome our new Unfounded overlords.
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  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I for one welcome our new Unfounded overlords.
    **Raises Glass**
    I remember, before we escaped, when Reg and I were together at the menta...
    **Slips off soapbox falling flat on his face... but saving his glass**

    Ahmahlriyht. :D
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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    broken1981 wrote: »
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek

    bah, ranting on unviersal consoles is so pre-f2p :p

    Get with the time man! Universal consoles no longer gives an unfair advantage to anyone, as they are available to everyone (well, not everyone of both factions, but basically everyone). Broken/borked abilities/consoles are another matter alltogether, but I think AMS and siphon drones are the only ones that qualifies atm.

    To hear people rant over P2W is like hearing pensioneers ranting about how much better the world was before phones/internet/cars/inddor plumbing etc.
  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    Nub !!! I have spent nouthing on this game. All my gear has come fom grinding out Dilithium and E/C untill I have enough to get what I feel is good gear for "MY" ship. Who are you to dictate what PvP'ers are and Are not allowed to use. If you don't like what people are using do the hard graft and get some consoles. But this is what we are getting at. You are crying about peoples builds. People that have been playing since BETA !!!! Why should they bow to what you want and say. I think it is totally out or order to socially criticise someones hard work at something they enjoy doing.

    It's amazing you haven't spent a dime on this game having been here since beta. How did you manage to hold a subscription?

    I hear this phrase "been around since beta" being thrown around a lot lately. I came in almost a year after beta, but I'm finding a lot of ppl using this phrase are mediocre players at best (not sure who you are, so this isn't referring to you). I only got to be an above average player because I was open minded to those that are better players than me, and learned as much as I could about how the mechanics of the game works. Being around since beta has nothing to do with skill level. I came from a fleet where most of there players have "been around since beta."

    There are a few fleets left holding out on using p2w consoles because they still truly feel they hurt pvp more than they help. You ought to be glad about this. If a fleet like the pandas decided to say "TRIBBLE it" and start running premades and organized theta, anchors, and AMS runs, you would certainly see a lot more tears. Ive really only seen 2-3 premades using p2w consoles in an organized fashion. It's devastating when used as a team. We still beat those teams, but it was much more difficult. A team loaded with consoles vs a team of equal skill with no consoles will almost always come out on top.
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    People have been proposing Gentleman's Accords and Peace Summits and Weapons bans and silk panties in which to PvP. While I have nothing against any of those things, I have a proposition of my own for all of the STO PvP community:
    NO MORE TEARS


    UNFOUND has been preparing for PvP since its inception; getting stomped, rolled, and mercilessly devastated, over and over and over again. Not once have we cried foul (Except at AFKers; Everyone hates them). Now that many of us can hold our own in PvP, the lessons we've learned have made us prepare for many contingencies, such as the need for hold resists. We still get roflstomped from time to time; we roll and get rolled; we have epic battles. We don't gorram cry about any result or tactic. We understood that One Does Not Simply Enter STO PvP. Now, I love tears as much as the next troll, but this river of sadness is pathetic. We have taken and are taking the time and effort to be competitive in PvP and most of what we hear is whining, crying, and how bad the sand itches. Stop crying and have the guramba to accept defeat graciously.

    Out of respect, we avoid anything TRULY bugged until repaired (Such as things that cause weapons to stop firing until a re-log). If it can't be countered, it's bugged; otherwise, use whatever is available. Go cry to your mother about how unfair it is that you were beaten mercilessly with your own limbs. I, for one, would hate to see the queues become one big "Care Bear Stare" contest. If you lose, grit your teeth and say nothing or just type "gg", then go get better. Want a specific game type that doesn't use certain equipment? Make a private game using OrganizedPvP Channel or whatever to fill it. If you think something really needs to change, make a forum post to discuss the issue with civility or submit a ticket.


    Never grant your enemy the satisfaction of your tears. -Feargan

    Challenge. PM or mail @PaxOttomana for date/time/accept. You may make the rules.

    Thank you for this post, and your strong willed attitude.

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  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    Just out of curiosity, besides critz and pandas, how many fleets are left that don't run consoles?
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I cant remember fighting this unfound guys.. :/
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    falloutx23 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, besides critz and pandas, how many fleets are left that don't run consoles?

    TRH and Mateo said upon agreement they won't.
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  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I cant remember fighting this unfound guys.. :/

    Their fleet name depicts that reality. lol.
    Turkish RP Heroes
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  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    TRH and Mateo said upon agreement they won't.

    Wasn't aware you had joined the no console club. Good to hear. Anyone else out there?
  • amidoinitrightamidoinitright Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I've gotta say, i pulled all the P2W TRIBBLE off of most of my ships & they are better off for it. More dps, better survive-ability, less QQ'n at me. I keep the theta on my EWP cruiser for the improved CC,( & the lawls) but thats about the only thing i run anymore. I'll throw on isometric to kill dan00bs when faced with them. Generally speaking, the consoles are TRIBBLE.
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  • corsair114corsair114 Member Posts: 276
    edited October 2012
    I've only got Torpedo PDS and Metreon Gas.

    Feels more like P2L consoles than P2W. :/

    I got rid of my GPG console, tho, when I rerolled my first Sci toon and never got it back, for what it's worth.
  • ertihanertihan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    You know, I gotta say that overloading on P2W has never really helped me. Typically, I'll include one or two, but usually only if that particular console makes sense for my build.

    For example, on my science ship I do include Graviton, because that ship uses tractor beam repulsors and one of my tactics is to repulsor the healer some 20km away and then graviton to keep him there while the rest of my team beats on his team-mates.

    I DON'T include theta mainly because it serves the same purpose as graviton, or at the very most I might REPLACE graviton with theta, but why on earth would I put AMS on that ship? It doesn't mesh with the build, it causes my viral matrix to enter cooldown, and it just plain doesn't make sense.

    Now I understand some people can't afford every console, but usually you can afford one or two. To be honest, I don't see the problem with them as effectiveness is usually determined more by your piloting skill and knowledge of when to use abilities than how many P2W consoles you've got on you.
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    falloutx23 wrote: »
    Wasn't aware you had joined the no console club. Good to hear. Anyone else out there?

    Are we talking about jump console? We tried addressing the Scramble Sensors thing by testing it. Nobody got back to us, but despite this we took the fundamental step in honoring the proposed agreement found on the Subnuk proliferation treaty post. Page 7-13 is the content you might want to look into.

    But we haven't run consoles, and if you've seen them, please fraps, @handle, mail to me please and thank you. Which is exactly what Horizon is doing on that same thread on a claim made by Regulus about Critz running P2W.

    Well the Pandas haven't officially committed to it. Instead Naz has questioned the delivery of these terms in the form they don't appear to be as an accord. But I'm confident they'll bend in favor of having something totally official and thereafter we can write something up all together and set an example for the entire community and Devs to appreciate.
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  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited October 2012
    ertihan wrote: »
    You know, I gotta say that overloading on P2W has never really helped me. Typically, I'll include one or two, but usually only if that particular console makes sense for my build.

    For example, on my science ship I do include Graviton, because that ship uses tractor beam repulsors and one of my tactics is to repulsor the healer some 20km away and then graviton to keep him there while the rest of my team beats on his team-mates.

    I DON'T include theta mainly because it serves the same purpose as graviton, or at the very most I might REPLACE graviton with theta, but why on earth would I put AMS on that ship? It doesn't mesh with the build, it causes my viral matrix to enter cooldown, and it just plain doesn't make sense.

    Now I understand some people can't afford every console, but usually you can afford one or two. To be honest, I don't see the problem with them as effectiveness is usually determined more by your piloting skill and knowledge of when to use abilities than how many P2W consoles you've got on you.

    qft, 1 or 2 consoles that enhance your build can be pretty powerful. too many and you lose your punch.
    LOLSTO
  • ertihanertihan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Precisely! I mean, my fleet and I have fought teams that brought every P2W console in the game. We had Graviton, Theta, AMS, jump, Recluses, everything. And guess what? We beat them. On our side we had only one Recluse (who was a healer so that only sort've counts) and everyone else was in something normal (except for our Bugship, but he's special that way).

    And at one point we had a build that involved every P2W that man could devise. Yes it worked, but I had the feeling it would've worked better without half the stuff we brought. Plus Critz beat us into the ground regardless.

    The key to a good build is focus. Your build must have a purpose, a reason. Are you bringing Theta "just because"? Then you're doing it wrong and will probably get stomped.

    On the other hand if you have a specific goal in mind ("sci ship, bring theta and repulsors, and push their healer 20km out and wrap him in theta so he can't get back in time") then you'll probably win.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The only P2W thing I use is Impulse Capacitator, and that's only recently. For a long while I was just using Evasive Maneuvers with evasive Conn doffs for cooldown.

    Only reason I'm using Impulse Capacitator at all is because I PvP in a hit-and-run BoP that isn't designed to slug it out with enemies. I also generally keep the Impulse Capacitator for 'oshi-' moments when I'm out of tractor breakers and I'm tractored, or when I really need to make a break for it. Otherwise I usually stick with Evasive Maneuvers, Pattern Omega, or both at once.

    Everything else is skill. Well-timed decloak+alphastrikes, quick bit of fighting to try finishing you off if initial attack failed to kill, and then breaking off. Smart players know how to counter my tactics and make things harder for me.
    My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
  • stevehalestevehale Member Posts: 437
    edited October 2012
    There is something to be said for gritting ones teeth and suffering through. I'd rather do my part to make sure they know what is wrong and push them to fix it.

    That seems more fun to me.
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    If you guys need any help or just want to pew with or against us, just toss a message. Handle @naz1911.

    We dont need an accord to play fair. We always will unless its to prove a point :) You create the terms and if fair we'll accept. Simples....
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