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Sub Nucleonic Duty Officer Proliferation Treaty

paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Last night a test was conducted while training the 106th fleet for their upcoming match vs the Sad Pandas this weekend.

The test pertained to the use of SN Doffs and the frequency in which they proc. With a total of 8 equipped. In 2 minutes 20 seconds, it proc'd 20 times. That's an average of a single proc every 7.5 seconds.

The numbers are far worse than what is commonly known on these forums. This is catastrophic in my opinion when it comes to good game play. A frapsed video proving this will be provided tomorrow evening.

In the mean time, I'd like to invite everyone to a meeting at TRH teamspeak sometime this week to discuss the "proliferation" of Sub Nucleonic doffs. They're the super weapons in this game.

To my knowledge, the only "super power" fleets that have these "weapons" in abundance, are as follows:

Turkish RP Heroes (over 50).
Sad Pandas and; (Probably more than TRH because of MT bots)
Show Me Your Critz (less than TRH)

TRIBBLE. has advised they have them, but I'm not sure how many. However they did not use them or claimed they did not have them after the match.

T.S.I. Is not as organized as they used to be, but I'm also unsure of their status on the amount they have.

I think the meeting of the "5 families" is at hand, and we need to do something now.

-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes (RP stands for Rofl Proliferation)
Turkish RP Heroes
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  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Will be a hell of a fight with u hanging on the ropes.
    Rofl.


    No one will do any thing of the kind. Shows that you are relatively still quite new to the Opvp community.

    Its not gonna happen.

    and what are you talking about, bots? I think ur getting a bit overly suspicious and paranoid about me and my full army of bots and all the exploits im supposedly using. I know u are trying to keep an eye on me for that one day that I make a wrong move (at least you're hoping for some sort of evidence about my hax arent ya? :P)

    Let me clear up some of your dreams, Not gonna happen.



    Just to let you know, pandas have SNB doffs, that doesnt necessarily mean we use it on everyone, some people dont even use them at all. I dont use them for instance.

    About 25% of the players have them now, that includes about ALL pvp fleets. Its a stupid assumption that only these great fleets have loads of them.

    Its kind of controversial to use a full load of turkish fleet full of SNB spam and take them with you in a premade vs premade fight, to ultimately post this B$ on the forums about a proliferation threaty. If you find the usage of them so wrong, perhaps you should apologize to the people you were so excited on using it on them.
  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    pax get with the times its getting nerfed they said that a month ago they are working on how there doing it I heard lately 3 debuffs max.

    this meeting is already not worth doing.


    However alot of the pandas are not using doffs even when having them just to point out.

    I feel happy in the knowledge of this premade fight thats going on, your training them. this will help them.
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  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2012
    I'm not exactly thrilled about their Existence period. Even with a "only 3 buffs removed" it's still far and away ridiculous. Those 3 buffs can be things like EPTS, and TT and god knows what.

    As much as I'd like to say I'd sign such a treaty. I know the community as a whole won't. I won't use them because I prefer my own build still. But meh. Whatever, for serious pvp I have mechwarrior anyway.
  • zorena#3961 zorena Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Its like playing chess with 1 king 15 queens, sure some people like it but..
    Noone.
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    your training them. this will help them.

    We've yet to see that. lol
  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lols I love your signiture mt! its legendary

    what about the AMS doff u can get? thats op too...
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  • zyphoid7zyphoid7 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Except they aren't getting nerfed. They have a 30 second immunity and "only" strip 3 buffs, but they are doubling the proc %. That means instead of needing 8 you only need 4 on two tacs to reliably strip 3 buffs every 30 seconds. Or really just 1 escort with 3 if you are feeling like you blew all your zen on boxes.

    Nixus
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  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I openly admit that we have loads of them.

    You do have bots MT. Last month 8 level 1 characters were logged on and on the bridge of a D'Kora parked in front of the exchange. Those same characters/accounts were level 50 within 1 week. Eight characters hitting level 50 in that amount of time is humorous and doesn't really help you in your current denial. Which is understandable, I wouldn't be going around admitting something like that either, kudos to you.

    "He worked hard getting those bots, so what?" -Naz.

    However, this post isn't about what you do or how you level 8 characters in such a short period of time all at the same time. Or why 8 level 1 toons are on the bridge of a D'kora for 48 hours straight.

    This post is to make assurances we can have good matches without the use of something so out of control. But, there you have it folks. Pandas have spoken on the matter. Have fun bullying 106th guys.

    As for everyone else, I think it goes without saying that like AMS I think we can all agree not to use these on one another. My invitation still stands, otherwise we can SN doff each other all day. everyday.
    Turkish RP Heroes
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  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    I openly admit that we have loads of them.

    You do have bots MT. Last month 8 level 1 characters were logged on and on the bridge of a D'Kora parked in front of the exchange. Those same characters/accounts were level 50 within 1 week. Eight characters hitting level 50 in that amount of time is humorous and doesn't really help you in your current denial. Which is understandable, I wouldn't be going around admitting something like that either, kudos to you.

    "He worked hard getting those bots, so what?" -Naz.

    However, this post isn't about what you do or how you level 8 characters in such a short period of time all at the same time. Or why 8 level 1 toons are on the bridge of a D'kora for 48 hours straight.

    This post is to make assurances we can have good matches without the use of something so out of control. But, there you have it folks. Pandas have spoken on the matter. Have fun bullying 106th guys.

    As for everyone else, I think it goes without saying that like AMS I think we can all agree not to use these on one another. My invitation still stands, otherwise we can SN doff each other all day. everyday.

    ? Simply accounts from people in our fleet, loads of people have more then 1 account, a sub, a free2play account. nobody cares. We dont have any rule in our fleet that u cannot use more then 1 account.

    And ever heard of mirror event? Its quite easy to grind, buy some bonusses, team up, 3/4 grinds and ur VA.

    But yes. I have multiple accounts. and its nowhere against the rules. Thats what YOU make of it.

    also you replace the word 'account' with 'bot'. Thats your problem not mine. Thats ur paranoid mind working again.


    I just think you still have some feelings about that I never accepted the invite to your awesome top 5 pvp fleet.
    Ty for the attention tho :)


    Much pony love to you.

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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Love the way my comments are completely taken out of context by Pax. I also remember Pax saying he was completely drunk during this conversation. My comments were along the lines of most of us have a free 2 play account. I said nothing about bots whatsoever. You asked, i said i dont know.

    Shown your true colours Pax. Just another guy wanting to stir up stuff. Utterly disappointed!

    Super power? Really?
  • smeagolsneakysmeagolsneaky Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Then if the 8/9 pandas hanging out on the same D?Kora bridge for over a day where not bots then what where they doing ? :eek:
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Then if the 8/9 pandas hanging out on the same D?Kora bridge for over a day where not bots then what where they doing ? :eek:

    Dabbo whilst waiting for que pops on all our alt accounts....
  • smeagolsneakysmeagolsneaky Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    naz4 wrote: »
    Dabbo whilst waiting for que pops on all our alt accounts....

    But Level 2?s cant Que for pvp its unlocked at level 5 I think?

    Try Again :mad:
  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    wow bullying on 106th? you have no idea what plans we have for them, we took on challenge so we can help them too, it was general concensess of the pandas.

    We have a training fleet/channel for pvp'ers what are you doing for community?
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    But Level 2?s cant Que for pvp its unlocked at level 5 I think?

    Try Again :mad:

    Read again - alt accounts for Dabbo!
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2012
    naz4 wrote: »
    Read again - alt accounts for Dabbo!

    There's far far more entertaining things than Dabo.

    Maybe you should seek .......alternative entertainment and play split windowed between ques.
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    But Level 2?s cant Que for pvp its unlocked at level 5 I think?

    Try Again :mad:

    Um, just sayin, we use all our accounts to vote on the PVP thingy we could vote on recently, in a day, 25% of the votes were from pandas. You could also be a bit more discrete and respectful instead of full of suspicion.
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I'm not sure why MT or the rest of the SP fleet is scrambling about here. But one thing is forsure, if this were untrue it would of been shrugged off. Just like I will shrug off the claim that apparently I was intoxicated while talking to Naz.

    Yes Naz, drinking and STOing is bad. Write me up a ticket.

    I'm sorry little Pony, I did not mean to rattle your cage this much. But please remember this topic is for those who are willing not to deal with your monopoly of SN doffs.

    Again, in order for this meeting to take place please state your time of availability and we can jot down a general time for convention. Thanks everybody.
    Turkish RP Heroes
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • smeagolsneakysmeagolsneaky Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    naz4 wrote: »
    Read again - alt accounts for Dabbo!

    So all 8 players where Daboing for 24 hours on the same D Kora bridge and didn?t get bored once while there regular accounts when about normal business
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    I'm not sure why MT or the rest of the SP fleet is scrambling about here. But one thing is forsure, if this were untrue it would of been shrugged off. Just like I will shrug off the claim that apparently I was intoxicated while talking to Naz.

    Yes Naz, drinking and STOing is bad.

    I'm sorry little Pony, I did not mean to rattle your cage this much. But please remember this topic is for those who are willing not to deal with your monopoly of SN doffs.

    Again, in order for this meeting to take place please state your time of availability and we can jot down a general time for convention. Thanks everybody.

    I think you and your 3xSNB (lets keep it gentle here) over-using fleet had more business with snb doffs then me.

    And for your first post, just drop the matter. Its obivous you dont know how things are going inside the pvp community. Lets just leave it at that, it will be one big failfest.
  • tick0tick0 Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    Again, in order for this meeting to take place please state your time of availability and we can jot down a general time for convention. Thanks everybody.

    No thanks.
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    @f4tamy | Sad Pandas
  • sesshohaxorsesshohaxor Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lol what a tard thread.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited October 2012
    lols I love your signiture mt! its legendary

    what about the AMS doff u can get? thats op too...
    What are the doffs that affect AMS and Subnuke?
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »

    drinking and STOing is bad.



    I disagree heavily with this statement.
    Some of my most pleasant STO memories involved lots of drinking.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I do! State a time you can make it and friends.
    Turkish RP Heroes
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  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited October 2012
    This thread is going downhill fast.

    To stay on topic though, I don't think any "treaty" is needed with the recent changes. I might change my mind again, but only after I've seen the new changes in action. On paper it sounds good to me, but the increased proc rate, how it decides which buffs to strip, and how the 30s immunity plays out adds up to quite a few variables that will need to be play tested. There are many instances where you can instantly tell how powerful something is by looking at the stats, but this is not one of those times.

    On another note, wasn't it 106th that was against nerfing the SNB doffs in the first place? And now after testing the doffs out with 106th you think they are so broken that we need to agree to some kind of non-proliferation treaty? Have they changed their minds then?
  • paxottomanpaxottoman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    This thread is going downhill fast.

    To stay on topic though, I don't think any "treaty" is needed with the recent changes. I might change my mind again, but only after I've seen the new changes in action. On paper it sounds good to me, but the increased proc rate, how it decides which buffs to strip, and how the 30s immunity plays out adds up to quite a few variables that will need to be play tested. There are quite a few instances where you can tell how powerful something is by looking at the stats, but this is not one of those times.

    On another note, wasn't it 106th that was against nerfing the SNB doffs in the first place? And now after testing the doffs out with 106th think they are so broken that we need to agree to some kind of non-proliferation treaty? Have they changed their minds then?

    The 106th is not a PvP fleet. Their fleet is PvE and role play oriented. However, we have been working with them to create another pvp fleet to join the community. In other words, fresh blood into the queues. A general favor for not only the 106th but everyone else that PvPs. It was upon testing it with them, that not only were we astonished to the effects of these doffs with ONLY EIGHT, that something needed to be said.

    Now the Pandas may slam this, because it goes against all the time and effort they put into getting those doffs to control the queues in their favor. However, we too have them but are humble enough to offer the community an agreement not to use them.

    That's what this is all about. Getting together and working out the kinks that cause people to not have fun while playing this game. Ultimately, the Devs are to blame. Having a quarrel with a "God" is futile in my opinion, we should work around it and decide for ourselves how PvP should be.
    Turkish RP Heroes
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    I'm not sure why MT or the rest of the SP fleet is scrambling about here. But one thing is forsure, if this were untrue it would of been shrugged off. Just like I will shrug off the claim that apparently I was intoxicated while talking to Naz.

    Yes Naz, drinking and STOing is bad. Write me up a ticket.

    I'm sorry little Pony, I did not mean to rattle your cage this much. But please remember this topic is for those who are willing not to deal with your monopoly of SN doffs.

    Again, in order for this meeting to take place please state your time of availability and we can jot down a general time for convention. Thanks everybody.

    Drunk refers to your state of mind whilst conversing and memory recollection
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    Now the Pandas may slam this, because it goes against all the time and effort they put into getting those doffs to control the queues in their favor.

    I've never equipped a SNB doff, and if you think that fleets like SP or TSI need SNB doffs to control the queues you're deluding yourself. It's this attitude -- coming up with scapegoats for losing instead of looking at the reality of the situation -- is what keeps Kirks from becoming decent PvPers, and it also keeps decent PvPers from becoming extraordinary ones.

    paxottoman wrote: »
    However, we too have them but are humble enough to offer the community an agreement not to use them.

    But why when they are about to be fundamentally changed? This is what doesn't make sense. We can't make that kind of determination until we see the new values in action. If it's a matter of not wanting them to be used in the coming SP/106th match, then just declare a rule against using them -- we have after all agreed to abide by the rules they set, like we do for pretty much any match.
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    paxottoman wrote: »
    The 106th is not a PvP fleet. Their fleet is PvE and role play oriented. However, we have been working with them to create another pvp fleet to join the community. In other words, fresh blood into the queues. A general favor for not only the 106th but everyone else that PvPs. It was upon testing it with them, that not only were we astonished to the effects of these doffs with ONLY EIGHT, that something needed to be said.

    Now the Pandas may slam this, because it goes against all the time and effort they put into getting those doffs to control the queues in their favor. However, we too have them but are humble enough to offer the community an agreement not to use them.

    That's what this is all about. Getting together and working out the kinks that cause people to not have fun while playing this game. Ultimately, the Devs are to blame. Having a quarrel with a "God" is futile in my opinion, we should work around it and decide for ourselves how PvP should be.

    Again, your comments sound so condescending. So your saying its nothing to do with Panda team work and outstanding teamplay that give us the edge? Its using overpowered abilites to "control" ques?

    Case in point view this youtube link and say what you said again.

    These guys were by no means bad pvpers. If they cam back, most pvp fleets would have them.

    My personal view has always been and always will be to stop doffs in pvp. I even remember stating time and time again, certain doffs make the pvp element unbalanced.

    I really do feel that after these types of comments, any "self control" the Pandas have shown when it comes to overpowered items / abilities is irrelevant in your eyes. We might as well go free for all and really show the extent of "que control" as you put it we can ascert in ques for a week and see what happens.
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