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Vesta class thoughts...

lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Federation Discussion
I know I'm probably one of the last people to be expected to be thinking about it, but well I actually kinda like the look of the ship from what I've seen in pictures and the in game early model.

Now most people thought it would be a science vessel but well the ship is a bit smaller than a sovereign. I been reading up about it (link below) and well to me...it really seems like it would be the Federation version of the fleet Corsair.

Its makes a lot of sense because the Fleet Corsair is science heavy flight deck cruiser which can equip cannons (least the wiki says, I haven't obtained one in game). The Vesta was very science-y and even had its own flight deck, plus it was known to have some cannons.

I know carriers aren't exactly a fan fave to some people but I do enjoy them and I think it would be cool and quite frankly it makes a lot of sense that the Vesta could be the Federation version of the Fleet Corsair.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Vesta_class
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  • txterminatortxterminator Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Can't wait to get this baby:)
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I think a hangar-less Kar'fi is a better goal to aim for in the Vesta.

    A sci Commander slot, a little less hull than a cruiser, 4 fore and 3 aft weapons.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    It'll not be a carrier , its ' hanger deck' holds two runabouts and the standard complement of shuttles for a ship of its size
    this is like saying the galaxy should be a carrier because it has three shuttle bays :rolleyes:
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I think a hangar-less Kar'fi is a better goal to aim for in the Vesta.

    A sci Commander slot, a little less hull than a cruiser, 4 fore and 3 aft weapons.

    So basically you want a weaker version of the Kar'fi? Federation has the Armitage, which would basically outclass a 1 hanger Kar'fi in every way except for healing. Except you wouldn't want to use a tac heavy ship for healing.

    http://www.stowiki.org/Fleet_Corsair_Flight_Deck_Cruiser_Retrofit

    Giving the Vesta a build like that would make it versatile. It could tank, heal, and put out some decent dps (well for your standard cruisers)
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    It'll not be a carrier , its ' hanger deck' holds two runabouts and the standard complement of shuttles for a ship of its size
    this is like saying the galaxy should be a carrier because it has three shuttle bays :rolleyes:

    "The ships' main shuttlebay was located on deck twelve. Behind the shuttlebay was a large flight deck, allowing small craft too large for the shuttle bay to land; this area included a large deck lift which lowered into a runabout bay. Ships of the class were equipped with a fleet of both shuttlecraft and runabouts."

    Thats from the wiki...it could very well actually fit in the position of a flight deck cruiser for the Federation.
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    "The ships' main shuttlebay was located on deck twelve. Behind the shuttlebay was a large flight deck, allowing small craft too large for the shuttle bay to land; this area included a large deck lift which lowered into a runabout bay. Ships of the class were equipped with a fleet of both shuttlecraft and runabouts."

    Thats from the wiki...it could very well actually fit in the position of a flight deck cruiser for the Federation.

    a larger than normal shuttlebay does not a carrier make .
    it doesnt meet the specifications for a carrier anyway , as pretty much ( may be wrong ,but pretty sure ) every carrier in sto has a dedicated flight deck , i.e doors into and out
    a true through-deck carrier

    http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?78148-Vesta-Class-USS-Aventine/page9 thats a concept of the shuttlebay
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    a larger than normal shuttlebay does not a carrier make .
    it doesnt meet the specifications for a carrier anyway , as pretty much ( may be wrong ,but pretty sure ) every carrier in sto has a dedicated flight deck , i.e doors into and out
    a true through-deck carrier

    http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?78148-Vesta-Class-USS-Aventine/page9 thats a concept of the shuttlebay

    I don't see any picture that shows the shuttle bay, and what does "Behind the shuttle bay there was a large flight deck" mean?

    The fleet Corsair has a lt and lt cmdr boff slots, its in the link I posted.

    Even if it would not be a flight deck cruiser (which by the wiki if you read it would be perfect to be.) The Vesta really would make no sense as a science ship...its to big...its as big as a cruiser, its only a bit smaller than a sovereign.

    Plus where has it been said that the Vesta will be a science ship?
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    TRIBBLE , thought that was the place with the pics
    this should be it http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12880

    as for it being a science ship , every single interview with the devs about it has said ' science ship ' .. so im pretty sure its a given it will be
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    TRIBBLE , thought that was the place with the pics
    this should be it http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12880

    as for it being a science ship , every single interview with the devs about it has said ' science ship ' .. so im pretty sure its a given it will be

    I listened to that priority one and I heard " I think its going to be a science ship and I think thats the way we are going to go. " Nothing really definitive, and if it is going to be a science ship with cannons...I'm worried that it would only have 2 tac consoles.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    That is why people are asking for the Kar'Fi layout, you get 3/2/4 console slot layout and also a Lt Cmdr Tactical, also with 4/3 you dont exactly are losing much on weapon slots if you keep cannons.

    Besides I am more worried about turn rate and inertia that tactical consoles, what is the point of having dual cannons if you cannot even fire then.

    Yeah but the Kar'fi isn't much more maneuverable than the dreadnought, the only difference is 1 point of turn rate. I don't know if I can see the Vesta being much faster than the Sovereign.

    Even if it will be a science ship its still a big science ship so I can't see it having a turn rate into the double digits.

    How about a science ship with a hanger bay? Hey can't blame me for trying...I just love my pets...have since my first mmo!
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Yeah but the Kar'fi isn't much more maneuverable than the dreadnought, the only difference is 1 point of turn rate. I don't know if I can see the Vesta being much faster than the Sovereign.

    Even if it will be a science ship its still a big science ship so I can't see it having a turn rate into the double digits.

    How about a science ship with a hanger bay? Hey can't blame me for trying...I just love my pets...have since my first mmo!

    thats what the atrox is :rolleyes:
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    thats what the atrox is :rolleyes:

    The atrox has two bays...the Vesta could have one bay, a better turn rate and maybe sensor analysis but no subsystem targeting, or visa versa?

    Sensor analysis would make more sense I suppose, since if you want cannons you can't use subsystem targeting. Even with SA it wouldn't have the punch of the Armitage.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Not saying it will be a 6 like the gal-x, but lets face it pretty much any non escort that can equip dual cannons except for the battlecruisers doesn't have a phenomenal turn rate...the corsair being the best with a turn of 8.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    Im sorry , but i really have to disagree , theres simply no way the vesta will be a carrier . the only reason the armitage is , is because the original designer created the akira class to be a carrier
    Rademaker didnt design the vesta as a carrier , ergo it wont be one :P

    As for speed , take the destiny books with a pinch of salt , but at maximum warp the aventine outruns the enterprise-E even without using its slipstream drive
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The speed part I screwed up on, since well speed doesn't mean a whole lot in STO. I meant to say turning but had stuff on my mind and completely miss typed.

    Speed don't really mean much when you can pump any ship up to warp 30 lol.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited September 2012
    well , its turn rate cant be worse than the sovereigns , since the two ships are almost the same in terms of length and mass
    being the more advanced ship , id say its turn rate ' may ' be a notch higher, but have to wait till november to know for sure
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