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Is there anything considered universally OP among PvPers?

mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2012 in PvP Gameplay
This isn't really meant to ruffle feathers or anything, although it probably will.

Putting aside everything else, is there anything that can be agreed upon that is generally considered overpowered, to the point of removing all skill and effort from a PvP match, with few to NO counters or means to resist it in any shape or form.

And please be specific. I know there is a lot considered OP of course, but being general doesn't really say much.

I'll toss out one to start with:

The new System Engineer DOFF. It pretty much eliminates weapons power drain for those 8 seconds on an alpha strike run, even with a BO 3 unloading along with full DHC and turret volleys while barely losing even the slightest bit of weapons power, allowing the full strength of every weapon to hit for nearly max damage.

So think...

Jem'hader attack ship, both universals with Engineers. One has DEM, the other has Aux to Batteries (if using Technicians). Or a cloaked Defiant with DEM and using the new DOFF.

Fully buffed alpha strikes with very little drawback even going all out with everything just sounds like trouble to me.

(I know I made a post on the System Engineer DOFFs already)
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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  • falloutx23falloutx23 Member Posts: 456
    edited September 2012
    I recently learned you can change your fleet name with no consequence. This has led to some fleets constantly changing there names to be funny. It's working.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Jem'hader attack ship, both universals with Engineers. One has DEM, the other has Aux to Batteries (if using Technicians). Or a cloaked Defiant with DEM and using the new DOFF.

    Well to be honesty this would be about the worst setup I could imagine on a jem ship... what are you bringing for hull heals... engi team 1 ? great now you don't have perfect tac team up time even better...

    What are you doing with that extra ensign engi slot ? A second EPTx... great you'll never use it with aux to bat.

    Frankly using both universals for engi boffs is bad mojo... and you will be the most squish bug on the field bar none.

    Yes this new DEM doff is powerful... but trying to think of ways to make it work on an escort are going to get you killed... yes I hope every escort that can slot dem 1 does.... they will drop like flies.... and no there alpha won't be all that much more powerful. Indeed slot 1:30 cool down skills for a 10% bump in dmg output for 8 seconds... sounds like a master stroke.
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited September 2012
    Siphon drones
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    Siphon drones

    ^^^ This.

    It's literally the one thing that the entire PvP community can agree on. (Except for maybe a Sci buff, but I recently found opponents to that, too...)
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The Antimatter Spread ability that comes with the Exploration Cruiser Refit is considered overpowered. So are the "Advanced Danube Runabouts" available to Fed carriers.
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited September 2012
    syphons.

    i think other things are a bit strong, but.....thats part of any game.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Power Drones
    Danube Pets

    Can both be deleted from the game and the game would improve quite a bit.

    Scramble Sensors... but because it wasn't nerfed enough... but because it is currently bugged badly and it seems like Cryptic will never fix all the bugs related to this skill.

    AMS perhaps not overpowred but one of the most annoying skills in the game for sure.
  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited September 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    Siphon drones

    Yep, pretty much this.
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  • razellisrazellis Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    Siphon drones

    If there was an active counter(Polarize Hull, hazard emitters) they wouldn't be as bad but would still be worse than runabouts.

    The proc on the Sub Nuc Doff is way over the line unless it's been nerfed already.

    No other Boff skill or Doff effect that is working as intended strikes me as being OP.
  • dant158#3249 dant158 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The vast majority of doffs are OP. Nothing is on the level of siphon drones though.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    husanakx wrote: »
    Well to be honesty this would be about the worst setup I could imagine on a jem ship... what are you bringing for hull heals... engi team 1 ? great now you don't have perfect tac team up time even better...

    What are you doing with that extra ensign engi slot ? A second EPTx... great you'll never use it with aux to bat.

    Frankly using both universals for engi boffs is bad mojo... and you will be the most squish bug on the field bar none.

    Yes this new DEM doff is powerful... but trying to think of ways to make it work on an escort are going to get you killed... yes I hope every escort that can slot dem 1 does.... they will drop like flies.... and no there alpha won't be all that much more powerful. Indeed slot 1:30 cool down skills for a 10% bump in dmg output for 8 seconds... sounds like a master stroke.

    Ok, well, I don't own a bug, so I wasn't sure if that would be considered good or not, although I do still think that the DEM DOFF needs to be changed.

    That aside, certainly seeing a lot on Siphon drones, and to be honest, I agree.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • aldo1rainealdo1raine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Thankz for making thiz thread becauze no one has ever made any thread remotely zimilar to it. For the record my Jenner is kind of OP with 6 zmall lazerz.
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  • freedumb4evafreedumb4eva Member Posts: 269
    edited September 2012
    Buff Stripping DOFF has not been mentioned enough times here ;-)
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited September 2012
    The Antimatter Spread ability that comes with the Exploration Cruiser Refit is considered overpowered.
    husanakx wrote: »
    AMS perhaps not overpowred but one of the most annoying skills in the game for sure.

    Agreed, very annoying, but not at all OP anymore.
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited September 2012
    aldo1raine wrote: »
    Thankz for making thiz thread becauze no one has ever made any thread remotely zimilar to it.

    Sometimes things need to be brought up over and over or they don't get fixed.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    aldo1raine wrote: »
    Thankz for making thiz thread becauze no one has ever made any thread remotely zimilar to it. For the record my Jenner is kind of OP with 6 zmall lazerz.

    Small lasers only have a max range of 3 hexes, hardly OP.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    what the dem doff does for you, overcaping your weapons energy has done for me for a long time now, and with full up time. if i can run 4 DHCs and 4 turrets and not drop below 100 weapons energy, as long as i have leach or maco, what do i need a measly 8 seconds for? lol
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Here's my list.

    Factional to be neutral:

    1.) Danubes + Siphons
    2.) AMS + Aceton Assimilator
    3.) Graviton Pulse Generator

    Most of the post SB doffs.
  • dant158#3249 dant158 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Am I the only one that isn't particularly annoyed by assimilators?

    Leech is far worse, basically because of it's prevalence. I'd guesstimate that a good 80% of kdf players use it for 20+ free power to every subsystem.

    The other TRIBBLE is very visible stuff, but leech is basically a passive that often goes under the radar. Most op console (not in the same league as the bs carrier pets) in the game, imo.
  • linkdown1linkdown1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ams
    scrambles
    subnuc doff
    extens doff
    ap doff
    jevonite
    cannon doff
    stahl
    jem ship
    grav pulse
    teaming
    tac team
    extens
    runabouts
    siphon
    klinks
    stahl
    thetha
    assimilator
    tricos
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Sucky Drones. (That I would never use)
    Subnuke doffs. (I Don't own any, but given the chance, I probably would)
    Tactical Team.
    The Spacebar.
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  • criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    MT. He needs a nerf. Bort needs to put code in that forces him to use white mk II gear. :P
  • trueprom3theustrueprom3theus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    dantrainor wrote: »
    Am I the only one that isn't particularly annoyed by assimilators?

    Leech is far worse, basically because of it's prevalence. I'd guesstimate that a good 80% of kdf players use it for 20+ free power to every subsystem.

    The other TRIBBLE is very visible stuff, but leech is basically a passive that often goes under the radar. Most op console (not in the same league as the bs carrier pets) in the game, imo.

    IMO asseton is not as bad as its reputation. Leech is indeed too good, but only if you slot lots of flows consoles. The upper gains for the leech should maybe be adjusted, with 1 flow console (and full spec in flows) the gain is reasonable. With 4 flows in my engi recluse I get almost 40+ all powers. The problem is that if leech's gain is nerfed, then so should be red matter, oberth console and maco gain. Once Feds get the leech, would be even worse, since leech + red mater + oberth console + maco bonus would virtually give 100+ power to all levels. Kdf IMO should get a better leech bonus than Feds at that time.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Siphon drones
    Danube shuttles
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  • criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Bar none siphon drones get my vote!
  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    advanced orian interceptors can be kinda bad, they are extreamly fast, crono proc the hell out of you, and mess up your power levels. they kinda are like drones but don't make you quite as helpless. nothing purma chrono procs some one better.
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