Thanks to this forum I have lost all faith in Star Trek. Humanity is never going to be smart enough to form any kind of alliance with aliens. If we ever meet any we are going to p*** them off during first contact to the point where they will blow up our sun rather than let us leave our solar system.....
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Well we KNOW, that by the time of the 31'st century, Klingons are members of the federation.
We also know that by the 29'th Century, Time travel is common enough, to have a entire fleet devoted to maintaining the integrity of the timeline (True, this is entirely ignored by the STO team).
Na... not that hard.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
The Watching the Clock novel at the end has a meeting between the temporal agencies of the Federation, Typhon Pack, Klingon Empire, and a few other empires. The Klingon Empire suffers from Engineers and Scientists not being as respected as Warriors. Although, this is changing over the years. There is also B'Elanna Torres which proves that Klingons are not stupid and merely have a cultural preference for violence.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that the Klingons are smart enough to construct a time ship?
And if they didn't construct, Isn't it a bit of a stretch to think they are capable of maintaining one and operating it?
#1: Korath is a Klingon who Janeway goes to for the tech to travel back in time to save the Voyager. The Klingon ship is named after him.
#2: Based on the future seen in Enterprise while dealing with the Sphere-Builders, it is stated that the Klingons have joined the Federation by the 26th Century. Thus what you're seeing is a Temporal Federation ship from the 29th Century built in a Klingon Design. There's probably Andorian versions, etc.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that the Klingons are smart enough to construct a time ship?
And if they didn't construct, Isn't it a bit of a stretch to think they are capable of maintaining one and operating it?
It was Kirk who said, "A Race of Savages would never of built a Star Empire" or something along those lines, so yes, the Klingons are more than intelligent enough to construct, maintain, and operate a timeship.
The Watching the Clock novel at the end has a meeting between the temporal agencies of the Federation, Typhon Pack, Klingon Empire, and a few other empires. The Klingon Empire suffers from Engineers and Scientists not being as respected as Warriors. Although, this is changing over the years. There is also B'Elanna Torres which proves that Klingons are not stupid and merely have a cultural preference for violence.
/facepalm x 10
This is the same B'Elanna 'Couldn't identify manure WITH a tricorder' Torres?
Op I don't think you have any room to talk since you can't even spell *Klingon* right. Guess we know what the Federation has to offer.
It certainly looks correctly spelled to me - at least in the post:
Klingons
I would hate to think you're being pedantic about the S on the end when many people use the S to pluralize the race. And it's not like people don't mistype things around here, so we can forgive the title mistype.
Perhaps the wise thing to do is recognize that the OP was making a harmless joke. Then there wouldn't be any need to make all these personal attacks against him. As the old forum saying goes: attack the subject matter of the post, not the person making it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It certainly looks correctly spelled to me - at least in the post:
I would hate to think you're being pedantic about the S on the end when many people use the S to pluralize the race. And it's not like people don't mistype things around here, so we can forgive the title mistype.
Perhaps the wise thing to do is recognize that the OP was making a harmless joke. Then there wouldn't be any need to make all these personal attacks against him. As the old forum saying goes: attack the subject matter of the post, not the person making it.
" Klinon Time ships? " Tis the name of the thread and certainly isn't spelled right.
I could of went on about how the Chroniton Deflector was created by a Klingon scientist, or how it was stolen by a Dirty Federation Admiral and used to break so many rules but I figured I would just keep it simple.
This is the same B'Elanna 'Couldn't identify manure WITH a tricorder' Torres?
I blaim the fed designed tricorder. A klingon with thier superior sense of smell can tell a fed or pile of manure without seeing them. Though sometimes they can be confused until visually verified by the fed uniform.
Errmm - sorry to have to correct you, but so far as series history goes, the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) time-travelled on numerous occasions. The first time was 'The Naked Time' - they travelled back in time by three days. The second occasion was 'Tomorrow is yesterday' where the Enterprise used the Slingshot effect as a result of trying to escape a 'black star' - and this was pretty much where they discovered the slingshot effect.
Very true, and all it took to make such travel simpler after those events of the past was for a Klingon scientist to build a device smaller than a endtable and without the need to fling oneself around a star.
Very true, and all it took to make such travel simpler after those events of the past was for a Klingon scientist to build a device smaller than a endtable and without the need to fling oneself around a star.
Actually, Starfleet would not let Janeway travel back in time so she sought-out Korath to get an illegal method. We have no way of knowing how prevalent or difficult time travel is by that point in time; and, of course, all of this is all 150 years after TOS - set in the same basic time period as STO.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Actually, Starfleet would not let Janeway travel back in time so she sought-out Korath to get an illegal method. We have no way of knowing how prevalent or difficult time travel is by that point in time; and, of course, all of this is all 150 years after TOS - set in the same basic time period as STO.
Considering Janeway had access to the batmobile armor, stealth tech and transphasic torps and was willing to go as far as use illegal methids I'm prety sure she would have stolen Starfleet timetravel tech...if Starfleet had been smart enough to actually build the stuff.;)
Considering Janeway had access to the batmobile armor, stealth tech and transphasic torps and was willing to go as far as use illegal methids I'm prety sure she would have stolen Starfleet timetravel tech...if Starfleet had been smart enough to actually build the stuff.;)
I think being an Admiral gave her access to various toys - especially the transphasics which Captain Janeway brought with her from the future: time paradox.
I don't think Janeway had enough clearance to get into the time material, though. Either way it's all speculation. I'm just saying we can't really make an definitive statements about anything. Janeway needed illegal time travel and a Klingon had it. That's all we know.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I think being an Admiral gave her access to various toys - especially the transphasics which Captain Janeway brought with her from the future: time paradox.
I don't think Janeway had enough clearance to get into the time material, though. Either way it's all speculation. I'm just saying we can't really make an definitive statements about anything. Janeway needed illegal time travel and a Klingon had it. That's all we know.
You may be right.
You my be wrong.
We only know there are people who think Klingons aren't smart enough...just because they are Klingons and not for any particuler reason.
Could just be easier to get your hands on a Klingon's.
That said, when she went back, didn't she create a splinter universe at that point? Wouldn't the "Prime" universe timeline be the one in which she did not arrive back in time to save the crew? I know it was stated that Admiral Janeway was from an "Alternate Timeline" but frankly it seems to me that "Alternate" was the unaltered time line. (Then again, this wasn't the first time a member of the Voyager crew went back in time to change the path of history... )
I mention this only because if STO occurs in a timeline in which Voyager arrives safely home thanks to the interloping Admiral Janeway and her magical Klingon Time Travel device, then we are technically in an Alternate timeline, and anything that Cryptic does here could be considered a touch more forgivable...
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Actually, Starfleet would not let Janeway travel back in time so she sought-out Korath to get an illegal method. We have no way of knowing how prevalent or difficult time travel is by that point in time; and, of course, all of this is all 150 years after TOS - set in the same basic time period as STO.
So until new evidence comes forward to show the opposite the prime time Klingons have the corner on easy time travel technologies as far as we know in the series pre-STO era.
My point being the Klingons designed easy technologies for time travel by themselves. they didn't steal it, conquer it or otherwise have it given them by happenstance thus killing the whole concept of the KDf is too low-brow to be scientists or even worthwile engineers.
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I find this post to be racist and offensive.
Also, check your spelling in the subject line.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
We also know that by the 29'th Century, Time travel is common enough, to have a entire fleet devoted to maintaining the integrity of the timeline (True, this is entirely ignored by the STO team).
Na... not that hard.
#2: Based on the future seen in Enterprise while dealing with the Sphere-Builders, it is stated that the Klingons have joined the Federation by the 26th Century. Thus what you're seeing is a Temporal Federation ship from the 29th Century built in a Klingon Design. There's probably Andorian versions, etc.
It was Kirk who said, "A Race of Savages would never of built a Star Empire" or something along those lines, so yes, the Klingons are more than intelligent enough to construct, maintain, and operate a timeship.
Go away, troll.
/facepalm x 10
This is the same B'Elanna 'Couldn't identify manure WITH a tricorder' Torres?
To a Klingon that's a nice meal.
I would hate to think you're being pedantic about the S on the end when many people use the S to pluralize the race. And it's not like people don't mistype things around here, so we can forgive the title mistype.
Perhaps the wise thing to do is recognize that the OP was making a harmless joke. Then there wouldn't be any need to make all these personal attacks against him. As the old forum saying goes: attack the subject matter of the post, not the person making it.
" Klinon Time ships? " Tis the name of the thread and certainly isn't spelled right.
I could of went on about how the Chroniton Deflector was created by a Klingon scientist, or how it was stolen by a Dirty Federation Admiral and used to break so many rules but I figured I would just keep it simple.
As Kirk said, " barbarian savages do not create star empires."
I think your Klingon hate may come from from having your head up your biass.
R.I.P
Lol, yeah.
Also, to reply to the OP: I don't know where you heard that the Klinons were getting their own time ships.
Who are the Klinons anyway? :rolleyes:
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I blaim the fed designed tricorder. A klingon with thier superior sense of smell can tell a fed or pile of manure without seeing them. Though sometimes they can be confused until visually verified by the fed uniform.
R.I.P
You do realise the first time ship in Star Trek history was a Klingon Bird of Prey?
Captained by Kirk to save some whales.....
It was Mighty Klingon Technology that saved the Earth so yes I do believe they are smart enough to construct a time ship.
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Very true, and all it took to make such travel simpler after those events of the past was for a Klingon scientist to build a device smaller than a endtable and without the need to fling oneself around a star.
R.I.P
Considering Janeway had access to the batmobile armor, stealth tech and transphasic torps and was willing to go as far as use illegal methids I'm prety sure she would have stolen Starfleet timetravel tech...if Starfleet had been smart enough to actually build the stuff.;)
I don't think Janeway had enough clearance to get into the time material, though. Either way it's all speculation. I'm just saying we can't really make an definitive statements about anything. Janeway needed illegal time travel and a Klingon had it. That's all we know.
You may be right.
You my be wrong.
We only know there are people who think Klingons aren't smart enough...just because they are Klingons and not for any particuler reason.
I never denied the truth of that. You where and are most correct.
R.I.P
That said, when she went back, didn't she create a splinter universe at that point? Wouldn't the "Prime" universe timeline be the one in which she did not arrive back in time to save the crew? I know it was stated that Admiral Janeway was from an "Alternate Timeline" but frankly it seems to me that "Alternate" was the unaltered time line. (Then again, this wasn't the first time a member of the Voyager crew went back in time to change the path of history... )
I mention this only because if STO occurs in a timeline in which Voyager arrives safely home thanks to the interloping Admiral Janeway and her magical Klingon Time Travel device, then we are technically in an Alternate timeline, and anything that Cryptic does here could be considered a touch more forgivable...
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So until new evidence comes forward to show the opposite the prime time Klingons have the corner on easy time travel technologies as far as we know in the series pre-STO era.
My point being the Klingons designed easy technologies for time travel by themselves. they didn't steal it, conquer it or otherwise have it given them by happenstance thus killing the whole concept of the KDf is too low-brow to be scientists or even worthwile engineers.
R.I.P