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majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Klingon Discussion
I skimmed the interview, as I often don't like reading all the useless nonsense regards what the Federation is getting. However I picked up a few key points that I thought I'd post here.

Now I could comment on all this, but in the mood I am in, it's be very negative and frustrating. KDF content as an option, other things take priority. Not surprised but clearly the Dev's have their heads in the clouds. What more can I say without saying something unkind?

I'll let you all read it and see for yourself.
Creamy: Alright. I think I?m just going to go in order, basically. I actually don?t have the names of the people who asked these questions, so I apologise to everybody out there who may be listening, but if you recognise your question you can kinda give a silent ?whoohoo? and then know that your question?s being answered, so right off bat we?re going to go with, with the end of Star Trek Online in Vegas and the rumours of very good positive growth of Cryptic for the future seasons, can the KDF look forward to some KDF specific growth in their factional gameplay?

Salami: Ah, I hope so. It?s been bounced around, we?ve been talking about it. As usual, I can?t confirm or guarantee anything, but we would definitely like to add some specific KDF content in the future.

Creamy: Okay. So, it?s kinda on the board that KDF is going to be getting an update, there?s going to be some more KDF stuff coming, that?s definitely a direction that Cryptic wants to go in?

Salami: It?s a direction we want to go but, you know, we have to see which things take priority. It?s on the board as on option.
Creamy: Alright, and one player here, and again I apologize for not having a name for whoever you might be out there, was asking about specifically about, will it be a better version of Barrell(sp?) that puts them on par with the Defiant, and speaking of the Defiant, where there be a battle cloak option on it? In deep space nine, the defiant you tried to or successfully cloaked or tried to in heated battle was able to get away, it just seems kinda fanatic that the defiant doesn?t have the battle cloak, can you share any light on that?

Salami: I love the defiant and when we were designing the defiant, I begged for it to have a battle cloak, I wanted the battle cloak so bad. We decided to leave it out for balance purposes, and faction harmony, klingons only feature, we are taking the cloak from them so we can have it, we didn?t need to take their best cloak that?s out there for them, so that, that was a balance and design decision to just have a standard cloak, but believe me, I fly my defiant and I absolutely would love for it to have a battle cloak instead of the standard cloak. For the Barrell, it?s possible we could make a upgraded version or possibly even a fleet version of that ship that has some better stats that can bring it up there, but, never count it out.
Creamy: Question the Romulan Faction the probably the number one long term question on players minds if not the number one long term question on the minds of the producers of STO. It has been said that more work needs to be done on KDF to flesh out that faction before any considerations can be made for a third faction although this is an ethical stance taken but in reality some may say this is impractical. Some would say that the KDF ship has already sailed some time ago that no matter what Cryptic does not put in the KDF side that the KDF players will not be satisfied. I have noticed that the despite every improvement, addition or adjustment to the KDF faction people are not satisfied. It is never enough some people sometimes, people are down right thankless no matter what work is put into the faction to bring it up to par with the Federation side. However from the business prospective this is an albatross around Cryptics neck there is no moving forward achieving goals of KDF cos the players move the goal post each time that progress is made. Lets not kid ourselves that there is a gold mine staring Cryptic in the face in when it comes to playable Romulan faction and there are a lot of players who finally want to be able to fly that D'deridex. My question is this in your opinion what specific criteria need to be met on Cryptics side before producers should say ?OK the KDF has had enough lets devote resources to a Romulan Faction??

Salami: We just have to say that we are going to do it. It is something that we have talked about even since launch. Well like OK we will do this with season 1 and when we get the level increase it is just a significant amount of work and so we have just got to decide that we want to do it and the Klingon content even though we compressed where they start but the progression they have from I believe is it from 22-50 is solid it is not a grind anymore there are episodes filled in there you have the duty officer system you have got a lot of systems in place to make sure that it is not a content grind. I think the only thing that is holding us back now finally deciding that we need to out in the herculean effort to actually create a new faction.

Creamy: Alright I am actually going to tack on one of my own questions and ask, is the fact you know a lot players want to jump in and create a KDF character right away and they can?t do it I have to level a Fed to 22 and they do that and they go and play there KDF and all is well. What I am wondering is why isn?t Cryptic - KDF players kind of feel a little betrayed and a little thrown off to the side and as a Federation player I have always loved Fed ever since I was watching Star Trek since I was a kid and I loved the Federation the Klingons were always nice but they where not my primary cup of tea I have my KDF character which I enjoy playing but I like my Fed more I am going to be an advocate for the KDF here and say why isn?t cryptic devoting some serious attention to the KDF and say you know what we are going to do we are gonna kinda put some Fed stuff aside and do some KDF only content flesh out the levels 1-22

Salami: overhauling that it is a significant amount of time and the vast majority of players even now after free to play are Federation so if we spent a ton of time making enough playable content to fill out levels 1-22 that is a ton of time that the majority of the payer aren?t getting anything new. So that is again just another judgement call that we have to make.

Creamy: I see that but my question is where is the? Maybe theres, Maybe I am too idealistic or maybe I feel like build it and they will come philosophy is a little more, maybe I put too much stock into that but I feel that if there was some serious effort and Cryptics where to say ?Hey we are looking after you guys we are trying to make you guys happy? I feel like there is new missions in general attract players new content if you where to say ?hey we have 5 new missions over here on the KDF side that we put a lot work into. Why don?t you guys come over and play ?em?? I really think that the players would move over and at least maybe try and maybe get some more KDF content out there. Is that something that has been discussed or is that just not how it works and maybe I am a little to optimistic?

Salami: We have discussed it as recently as this week at the leads meeting about ways to fill out Klingon content so that they can have a complete experience. So it is not something that we have forgotten, its just like forget its that is Klingon?s it is something always on our minds. How can we fill this out with the resources we have how can we really get them going so that it is a full and complete faction.

The full interview: http://subspace-radio.net/menu-latest-news/41-subspace-radio/18327-subspace-radio-interviews-salami-inferno

Just in case you want to check it out, no guarantee I didn't miss something. :P
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~Bluegeek

    "Some would say that the KDF ship has already sailed some time ago that no matter what Cryptic does not put in the KDF side that the KDF players will not be satisfied. I have noticed that the despite every improvement, addition or adjustment to the KDF faction people are not satisfied. It is never enough some people sometimes, people are down right thankless no matter what work is put into the faction to bring it up to par with the Federation side. However from the business prospective this is an albatross around Cryptics neck there is no moving forward achieving goals of KDF cos the players move the goal post each time that progress is made."

    Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Are we not being sufficiently grateful enough for the occasional crumbs that are thrown at what' is SUPPOSED to be the 'opposing faction'? Shall we just roll over and grovel at your feet, self-righteous fedbears? You, who get a new friggin ship every 2-3 months, tons of customization options, and having all the new content biased towards your storyline (2800, anyone?).

    All the KDF has asked is that the faction be treated as an equal to the Federation, on equal footing. That is something the faction NEVER got, and its membership and activity suffers for it. We've had to be content with occasional paltry scraps thrown our way and empty promises. We've had to be content with buggy KDF content, buggy battlecloaks (oh, sorry, it's a 'intended feature' now), etc. On top of that. . .whenever the KDF gets new content, the Feds ALWAYS get something to satisfy their pathetic outrage. . .while we KDF get nothing when the Feddies get new ships, costumes, etc.

    We haven't moved the goalposts, the game simply hasn't REACHED the damn posts.

    /rant
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    snip...

    I really couldn't put it better myself. Half the reason I didn't want to comment before when I posted the above, just goes to show how one sided everything is here on STO and Cryptic. The game would be so much more successful if Cryptic developed two factions equally like most other MMO's (SWTOR, WoW etc).

    Really I wished that Cryptic hadn't gotten the rights to STO, I wished Perpetual had regained the rights, some of their early work was fantastic. If they had kept that quality going and transferred it into the game we'd all would be better off.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Wow. Remind me to never trust them to conduct an objective interview. Did he seriously work Fed feature requests into a KDF-centric session? AND criticize the community, AND lead the guest repeatedly into answers?

    Ok, l get that the news industry is now filled with a ton of bad examples in biased news gathering these days, just shocked to see it here.

    EDIT - Just realized thisis not the interview I was expecting. Salami, be careful not to let these hacks lead you too much. That interview was a great ego stroke for the interviewer, addressing predominantly their own concerns and opinions, and while I recognize professonalisim in the age of citizen-journalism is scarce, reading a severely subjective piece like this can really infuriate the players it slights.
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  • cliftona91cliftona91 Member Posts: 254
    edited September 2012
    That was just bull. It wasn't objective at all.

    I think another Podcast show should of done the interview
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    After the Ask Cryptic - I posted that every KDF player should should basically just wash their ears/eyes out from anything that DStahl said about doing something with the KDF

    "Oh no he said they are planning things" - yah right

    Some people were saying that I was trying to darken the mood of players into giving up the fight. Really? I think when you hear what the rest of the dev's who are much more candid and less like a polititan talkng you hear what they really have planned - nothing!!

    at least they don't give fake promises any more "yeah well we are thinking about it"

    All I can say is that they need to see some money - if they come out with the lock box KDF time ship then every single KDF player should open their 150 boxes to get the ship - show them how much the players really will pay for something new which is KDF.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    jnohd wrote: »
    Wow. Remind me to never trust them to conduct a subjective interview. Did he seriously work Fed feature requests into a KDF-centric session? AND criticize the community, AND lead the guest repeatedly into answers?

    Ok, l get that the news industry is now filled with a ton of bad examples in biased news gathering these days, just shocked to see it here.

    Yes. It appears he did.

    I personally hate the fact that I am labeled ungrateful becuase I complain on the state of the KDF. I have enjoyed everything given the KDF and bought almost everything they have sold to us specifically (hell, I even bought the special Envirosuit thingy)
    My only complaint is COMPLETE US before you sell the whole KDF to the feds in a lockbox.

    What about all the fed cries for more and more? Are they not being just as greedy and ungrateful? Or is this overlooked becuase they are the majority and the Devs do not wish to poison thier milk?

    It seems the crawfish days aproach again for anything not fed.:(
    Makes me wonder why we as a fanbase support this travesty at times?
    It makes me wonder why Cryptic doesn't just listen to the fanbase, finish the job they started and let us enjoy what they would create so they could move onto other things to grow the game?
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Be forewarned, the negative nature of this interview and this thread will draw those whom will post in it just to rattle our cages for the sport of doing so.

    Do not give in to thier pokes and prods.
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  • cliftona91cliftona91 Member Posts: 254
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Be forewarned, the negative nature of this interview and this thread will draw those whom will post in it just to rattle our cages for the sport of doing so.

    Do not give in to thier pokes and prods.

    That's okay, I'll just use my Lethean mind tricks to scare them off lol

    *waves hand*

    "This is not the thread you want to troll on"
  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I think the ungrateful thing bugged me the most. I am enormously grateful for the sustenance we have recieved. At this point however, it is clear some cage rattling will be neccissary to keep attentions on KDF if we are to achive parity before Romulus comes in, and to insist the impact on us is considered when designing them.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    cliftona91 wrote: »
    That's okay, I'll just use my Lethean mind tricks to scare them off lol

    *waves hand*

    "This is not the thread you want to troll on"

    lol, If it was only that easy.

    But I hear even SWTOR has thier issues and gripes so I'm not suprised we in STO have ours.

    What I am surprised about is the once again backpeddaling from the KDF when sources I had heard from where so hyper about finally working on the faction in the after glow of Vegas.
    " We need to have the KDF fans voice thier desires so the powers that be see and are moved to agree with action.." or so I was told and led to believe. That with the promise of growth of Cryptic in the future seasons ahead we KDf may see some measure of being made closer to completion within them.

    Instead we got yet another poli-speak interview with poor answers to the same old leading questions that only spin us back to being without hope for anything without being truelly answered.

    Way to go Cryptic!! We are like a TRIBBLE being played between two unloving parents that niether want us or want us to go away.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I really think that they have crunched the numbers between what KDF brings in monthly $$$ vs some number used to calculate the cost of running the system for the KDF

    If that $$$ is low - so it cost them more to keep the KDF than let it go they are deliberately letting it die out - a long slow death.

    They don't what to kill it outright - even if it cost more than they make from it as it could spook some Fed players and investors - etc - so the best course of action is just to let it bleed out.

    Just a hunch.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I really think that they have crunched the numbers between what KDF brings in monthly $$$ vs some number used to calculate the cost of running the system for the KDF

    If that $$$ is low - so it cost them more to keep the KDF than let it go they are deliberately letting it die out - a long slow death.

    They don't what to kill it outright - even if it cost more than they make from it as it could spook some Fed players and investors - etc - so the best course of action is just to let it bleed out.

    Just a hunch.

    A hunch that may be right after all.
    Why should the KDF fanbase spend money on a game that obviuosly doesn't want them and has a developer to scared outright say so?

    Pay close attention RSE fans, after that new faction smell wears off you will be right there beside us wondering where the love went as the dinner plate passes you by.....
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  • amidoinitrightamidoinitright Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I used to think the Devs cared about both factions. That they truly wanted to make both factions equal. But then again, I also used to believe in the Tooth Fairy.
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  • emperormakemperormak Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    That was a terrible interview. He could have just said, 'I hate the KDF...You do too, right?'

    As to the idea that KDF players "move the goalposts", that's crazy. Here's exactly what I want in order to be happy with KDF.

    Same number of episodes as FED has. Episodes that are KDF episodes, not FED episodes with names changed.

    1 new ship for every 2 new ships FED gets. A clearly defined list of c-store ship consoles that FED will NEVER NEVER NEVER get.

    1 new costume set for every 2 new costume sets FED gets.

    Honestly, I don't think that should be difficult. I'm not demanding equal development time. I'm asking for 1/3 time on KDF and 2/3 on FED.

    There's a perception (and rightly so) that KDF is not a full-faction. That perception will certainly influence a lot of people to not make a KDF character. Further, the fact that you MUST make a FED before you gain access to KDF might have made sense at some point, but with F2P, it's 100% pointless. All it does is cement FED as the default faction.

    Now, admittedly adding a ton of episodes to balance the sides seems like a large task, but it is not. Use the Foundry. I haven't read the fine print, but I imagine it says something like...All content created with the Foundry is the sole property of Cryptic/CBS/PerfectWorld/etc. You have no legal rights to whatever you create.

    And that means they can take your Foundry episode and use it for whatever purposes they choose. Give the creator 10,000 zen as a prize and "buy" their episode from them. Then rename it KDF #1 and change a few names, and we're good to go.

    If they did that, they could fill out the KDF episodes with very little development effort on their part. Furthermore, it would almost certainly raise the level of quality of Foundry episodes. A lot of people would go the extra mile in hopes that their mission would get chosen.

    If/when a Romulan faction arrives, there will be a massive uproar by KDF players that they're getting screwed. And I have no doubt that they will negatively influence a lot of players as to the viability of the Romulan factions. If people are worried that Romulans may be underdeveloped like KDF, you can expect them to be under-played as well.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Salami: overhauling that it is a significant amount of time and the vast majority of players even now after free to play are Federation so if we spent a ton of time making enough playable content to fill out levels 1-22 that is a ton of time that the majority of the payer aren?t getting anything new. So that is again just another judgement call that we have to make.
    "A ton of time the majority will not get anything new???????"
    Will not these resources have to be majorily moved to create a RSE, if even a minifaction, to be ingame with the DOffs, BOffs, Ships, social zones, Fleet bases, etc?
    How is that any less of an undertaking that takes the "new" from the majority than finishing the KDF?
    Does it seems less so of an undertaking, shift of resources or taking for the majority becuase the RSE is popular at the moment and may bring a certain amount of quick revenue with it?

    The statement of the, " Majority would not get anything new" should answer the question any KDF fan has about our place in SFO.


    emperormak wrote: »
    If/when a Romulan faction arrives, there will be a massive uproar by KDF players that they're getting screwed. And I have no doubt that they will negatively influence a lot of players as to the viability of the Romulan factions. If people are worried that Romulans may be underdeveloped like KDF, you can expect them to be under-played as well.

    How are we KDF fans not to be insulted after years of begging to spend our money on something that we've been asking for, only to see the RSE (or any new faction) jump us in line becuase they waved thier wallets higher than we did?

    Frankly its still insulting after two years to see the same crappy dodging from the Devs on the subject of the KDF. Though I'm sure its the KDF fanbases fault for not asking the right questions, much like its our fault the incomplete faction doesn't urge us to spend more money of KDF gameplay.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ... Do whatever. To be honest, I just don't care all that much about it anymore.
  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ... Do whatever. To be honest, I just don't care all that much about it anymore.

    And that right there is the root of our problem - lack of development breeds lost interest and reduces population. They need a PR department guiding their message to be unified, if Stahl says the future will hold a "If you build it, they will come" approach, then the whole team needs to echo it no matter how hackneyed and biased the interview.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ... Do whatever. To be honest, I just don't care all that much about it anymore.
    jnohd wrote: »
    And that right there is the root of our problem - lack of development breeds lost interest and reduces population. They need a PR department guiding their message to be unified, if Stahl says the future will hold a "If you build it, they will come" approach, then the whole team needs to echo it no matter how hackneyed and biased the interview.

    I agree with you, jnohd, they do need a unified front on the KDF issue.
    Unfortunately like Drkfrontiers, I too get tired of finding hope and then watching it get dashed upon the rocks of "maybe, one day, its a desire, we are thinking about it"

    I haven't started playing less becuase I have nothing to do in STO but becuase the things I have to do in STO have no purpose and do not make the KDf enjoyable. They really only remind me of how much storyline we are really missing and the only thing thats really wanted from me as a player is to spend money that doesn't help the KDF one bit.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    A hunch that may be right after all.
    Why should the KDF fanbase spend money on a game that obviuosly doesn't want them and has a developer to scared outright say so?

    Pay close attention RSE fans, after that new faction smell wears off you will be right there beside us wondering where the love went as the dinner plate passes you by.....

    I know that it's a business decision not to say anything concrete about anything - but at least the Dev's really don't like the Head guy stringing the KDF fan-base along with more empty promises - (shameless, truely shamesless) so they try to let out the news that the KDF is going to continue to get the shaft without directly saying so and risking their job - it's clear that is what they are doing.

    And all this "discussion" "talks" that they are having about the KDF is them being told to say: "it's being look at" or "working on it" and just play along like it's going somewhere. Some people just can't lie bold face and it come through when you talk to them - others well - you know who.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Simply put, Cryptic is the worst company in the industry, STO is the worst run MMO in the history of badly run MMO's. They have no direction and they themselves are held hostage to the Federation fan base. Get a backbone Cryptic. We might only be 18%, but I get you'll feel it if we get up and leave. A 20% loss is still a big loss. You're really pushing us, once SWTOR goes F2P I'd watch out.

    I can only devote time and money to one MMO and SWTOR is looking better and better every day.

    I have simply lost what little respect I have from these (Cryptic) people. I might sound negative and I am, I am also pissed off. Pissed off at all this one sided TRIBBLE, really you guys would make excellent politicians. Make a run for officer I say!
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  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Hmm...

    Word.

    Well not to the TOR part though.

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  • gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I agree with you, jnohd, they do need a unified front on the KDF issue.
    Unfortunately like Drkfrontiers, I too get tired of finding hope and then watching it get dashed upon the rocks of "maybe, one day, its a desire, we are thinking about it"

    I haven't started playing less becuase I have nothing to do in STO but becuase the things I have to do in STO have no purpose and do not make the KDf enjoyable. They really only remind me of how much storyline we are really missing and the only thing thats really wanted from me as a player is to spend money that doesn't help the KDF one bit.

    I want to zoom in on the quote above about "the things I have to do in STO have no purpose and do not make the KDF enjoyable." First, let me say, "yes" to Roach's comment and say that this is precisely Warrior's Way #3, after the posting of the interview (24-36 hours it looks like).

    We are warriors, part of a culture that is rich in lore, legend, and story. What a tragedy that our faction is the one most neglected in the area of story content. But the problem with story goes well beyond just a lack in KDF. End-game and PvE content has little to no connection with the larger STO grand narrative of the KDF/Fed war. No matter how much PvP, PvE, etc. I do, the story goes NOWHERE. The story is static. The fleet system is not much better in this regard. The Tholian narrative content is thin as paper. And some of the fleet events CONTRADICT the storyline (e.g., KDF fighting KDF).

    A core problem in the KDF is not only lack of content but an overabundance of content that has little to no impact on or connection to the larger STO story.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Simply put, Cryptic is the worst company in the industry, STO is the worst run MMO in the history of badly run MMO's. They have no direction and they themselves are held hostage to the Federation fan base.

    I do not think Cryptic is the worst company in MMO gaming.

    I do think they made the worst decisions in attempting to fix many problems that have plaqued them since the begining and still fail at fixing them years after the fact.

    Your right though they need to pop the fed nipple out thier mouths and finish what they started before the game can possibly become what it can be, what many fans know it can be and have expected since STO was first concieved.
    A grand story of the Star trek universe woven into one big MMO storyline that lets all fans of the genre find enjoyment and a place within it. Its a target they keep missing.
    Money has been blaimed, bad direction has been blaimed. The truth is if they make STO for for everybody without favortism to one fanbase the everybody would be spending money somewhat happily and the game would grow past the same complaints that have been here almost since the first week of closed beta.
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  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »




    How are we KDF fans not to be insulted after years of begging to spend our money on something that we've been asking for, only to see the RSE (or any new faction) jump us in line becuase they waved thier wallets higher than we did?

    RSE fans have been here for as long as KDF fans have. We have spend money just like KDf fans, and we have heard the same promises just as KDf fans. Stop prettending we are some ungrateful brats, who just jumped on for F2P.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    havam wrote: »
    RSE fans have been here for as long as KDF fans have. We have spend money just like KDf fans, and we have heard the same promises just as KDf fans. Stop prettending we are some ungrateful brats, who just jumped on for F2P.

    Who ever said you are ungrateful brats?
    The biggest point made by many in the forums for the creation of a RSE faction has been the latest Poll that shows the idea of RSE content firmly in the lead. That such a creation will bring money to Cryptic and STO if implemented.
    That poll lead is the one of the reasons (imo) that Cryptic is entertaining the idea of starting the process of building a RSE, for the potential revenue such will bring as a new something new in STO.
    Once again we KDF may be overlooked for the quick cash-out that something else offers.

    Just like the feds defensive cry of, " We spend the most money. We deserve the most attention" the RSE fans saying, " Look Look, we are the popular choice. We will spend money." is a wallet waving attempt to get the attention of the Devs.

    But the above has only a little to do with my post to someone elses statement that if they create an RSE faction the KDF will be in uproar for being percieved as overlooked again.

    I never said the RSE where brats for wallet waving, I did not even imply it.
    Only that we KDf have a right to be offended by it since we too have been begging for good reasons to spend money on STO for a long time but get excuses and reasons why its not possible "at the this time" for our effort.

    So yeah it is upsetting and insulting to be waving our wallets for so long and even opening it to spend the money in support and have such be overlooked again becuase the bright and shinny new thingy will make a fast buck just to be most likely forgotten in the future for the next shinny thing that is sales pitched to us as STO players.

    Fact is thats where most of our angst comes from, the fear of being once again overlooked and fed poor excuses on why while the rest of teh game continues to grow without us.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Simply put, Cryptic is the worst company in the industry, STO is the worst run MMO in the history of badly run MMO's.
    Cryptic is not even close to being that. I'm guessing you don't have much SOE knowledge? :)
    They have no direction and they themselves are held hostage to the Federation fan base.
    Cryptic is being held hostage by the Fed fan-base? The same fan-base which has gone 2 years without any new Missions while the KDF have gotten 9 new Missions, Sorties, etc, etc, etc?

    The simple truth is the Fed players blew through all the Missions the first month of the game over 2.5 years ago too, and have gotten nothing new since then. And on top of that we're expected to financially support the entire game via the C-Store.

    So let me ask you this: there are 21 KDF ships in the C-Store. How many do you own? If you can't say at least 11 it doesn't seem like you're putting much effort into helping your cause. And yes, the cause is financial. If you want to change things you need to do so by having a financial impact not by just preaching fire and brimstone from your pulpit every day.
    Get a backbone Cryptic. We might only be 18%, but I get you'll feel it if we get up and leave. A 20% loss is still a big loss. You're really pushing us, once SWTOR goes F2P I'd watch out.
    While you might be 20% of the player-base you're probably not even 3% of the financial base. I seriously doubt KDF players are buying Fed C-Store items each week that they can't use on their KDF just to be financially supportive. :)

    At this stage of the game the only financial contribution you're making is probably via Lockbox Keys or buying Zen to sell for Dilithium for Fleetbases. You're certainly not buying C-Store items. Cryptic probably wouldn't even notice you're gone - assuming your impassioned speech could inspire more then a few dozen to leave.

    It grows tiring constantly watching the KDF play the minority card: we don't have as much so we deserve more. The simple truth is we all deserve more, whether we're the 20% or the 80%. Just once I'd like Cryptic to say: "Hey Fed players! Here's a new Mission just for you for buying all the C-Store TRIBBLE over the last 2.5 years!" I'd probably die from a heart attack if they did that. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Once again we KDF may be overlooked for the quick cash-out that something else offers.

    Am i really the only one on these forums that thinks designing the RSE and thinking about ways to implement it, is pretty much the best thing that can happen to the KDF??

    A new faction means new PvP queues, a rebalance of cross faction content vs faction content.
    Possibly new PvE mission with working cloak, an extension of the STO's story from a non FED viewpoint.

    As I suggested in the other thread, maybe even more ship and console sales for KDF. New FED and KDF pve content, if we use the upcoming renown feature or other SB related stuff to aid the RSE (it is going to be on a romulan colony after all).

    A rethinking of fleet partnerships. If they are willing to retouch some dialogs to make them more RSE appropriate, I really can't phantom how adding a third more KDF appropriate tree would take much time.

    The full faction is dead, by thinking about a cash cow named RSE, that needs to find a new way of integration, the KDF can benefit.

    Just call me CrAzY, but the argument that RSE fans should support the KDF, if they want to ever have a faction done right, cuts both ways.
  • amidoinitrightamidoinitright Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The Klingons have always been my favorite Sci-Fi "bad" guys. Followed by the Roms, then the Empire from SW.
    My favorite Star Trek novels have always been the Klingon ones. ( "A Burning House" by Keith Decandido is one of the best IMO)
    I might PO some of my fellow Klingons here, but Honestly, If the Roms make it into the game, I'll be playing them also. I only PVP, (at least in this game, where the PVE is stupid easy), so for myself at least, story-line is not as important as the PEW. Would I like a fully immersive KDF experience? Of course I would. Just as I'd like an immersive & complete Rom experience.
    But with the completely stupid AI in this game I'd never enjoy it again. PVE here is like Tic Tac Toe. Except easier. Once you understand the mechanics, it sucks. And when it comes down2it, I'll be spending my $ on Romulan ships, not the Romulan story.
    UNLESS they make the UI so horrid (like the blue fed one) that I just hate it. In which case i'll ignore My Rom just like i do my poor fed toons.

    I play Cylons in BGO, & Klingons here. Playing the popular faction has always kinda turned me off.
    I guess I'm just a rebel W/O a clue.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Time played in game. as of 9/12/12 (on my mains) Total 2907 hours.K'zoontite has been on active duty for 34 days, 3 hours, Bot Fly has been on active duty for 55 days, 4 hours, Poppa Capp has been on active duty for 4 days, 12 hours, B'zooka has been on active duty for 12 days, 22 hours,Tater(fed) has been on active duty for 14 days, 10 hours,
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »

    While you might be 20% of the player-base you're probably not even 3% of the financial base. I seriously doubt KDF players are buying Fed C-Store items each week that they can't use on their KDF just to be financially supportive. :)

    At this stage of the game the only financial contribution you're making is probably via Lockbox Keys or buying Zen to sell for Dilithium for Fleetbases. You're certainly not buying C-Store items. Cryptic probably wouldn't even notice you're gone - assuming your impassioned speech could inspire more then a few dozen to leave.

    It grows tiring constantly watching the KDF play the minority card: we don't have as much so we deserve more. The simple truth is we all deserve more, whether we're the 20% or the 80%. Just once I'd like Cryptic to say: "Hey Fed players! Here's a new Mission just for you for buying all the C-Store TRIBBLE over the last 2.5 years!" I'd probably die from a heart attack if they did that. :)

    Holy cow!! That is quite a drubbing from one of the posters that I consider to be the least biased and level headed on the board. Cosmic has put me in my place once or twice but you are really going down hard core, which is usually not your way - bad hair day? Not that I have been able to argue very well against your points in the past.

    But in fairness to the KDF side(which I don't usually take) I don't think that the Fed side has been promised something over and over and over - only to be slapped back down a few months(or DAYS) later. So I can understand their frustrated more than some other players.

    Frankly the only time I have ever seen a business treats a customer this way and not keep throwing them a bone every now and again to string them along - is when they have decided that the customer is not economically viable but are to slimmy to get rid of them all at once - just hoping that over time the customer will just get fed up and leave. I mean if they can't even dedicate the time to put out a costume or 2 that says volumes about how much they really want the KDF player to be there. (sorry I don't consider that grossly overpriced space suit you use a couple times to count)

    Again just a Hunch.
  • amidoinitrightamidoinitright Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »

    So let me ask you this: there are 21 KDF ships in the C-Store. How many do you own? If you can't say at least 11 it doesn't seem like you're putting much effort into helping your cause. And yes, the cause is financial. If you want to change things you need to do so by having a financial impact not by just preaching fire and brimstone from your pulpit every day.


    While you might be 20% of the player-base you're probably not even 3% of the financial base. I seriously doubt KDF players are buying Fed C-Store items each week that they can't use on their KDF just to be financially supportive. :)

    At this stage of the game the only financial contribution you're making is probably via Lockbox Keys or buying Zen to sell for Dilithium for Fleetbases. You're certainly not buying C-Store items. Cryptic probably wouldn't even notice you're gone - assuming your impassioned speech could inspire more then a few dozen to leave.

    I have bought EVERY SINGLE Klingon C-store ship. I have bought a fleet ship, & will buy 2 more when my fleets starbase is a high enough tier. I have not spent a single dollar on any of my fed toons since i bought my Gal-X, over 2 years ago. I have spent $80 in the last month on zen buying Doffs & Dil to outfit my new ships. I have paid for a subscription since 3 days after the game was released, I haven't played my fed toons since season 2.Saying Klingon players don't spend $ shows your ignorance/bias whatever you want to call it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Time played in game. as of 9/12/12 (on my mains) Total 2907 hours.K'zoontite has been on active duty for 34 days, 3 hours, Bot Fly has been on active duty for 55 days, 4 hours, Poppa Capp has been on active duty for 4 days, 12 hours, B'zooka has been on active duty for 12 days, 22 hours,Tater(fed) has been on active duty for 14 days, 10 hours,
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