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** REQUEST ** Star Trek Generations Uniforms
diesel2004
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Originally, Star Trek Generations was suppose to have a uniform that was different than what appeared in the movie. I've always loved the mix of TNG uniform and the sleeves from the original series.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2lnrpi.jpg
http://www.trektoy.com/forum/gallery_images/1247200634/med_gallery_179_11_161567.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/startrek/images/u03_m_duty.png
Every other uniform has been added, you gotta complete the set.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2lnrpi.jpg
http://www.trektoy.com/forum/gallery_images/1247200634/med_gallery_179_11_161567.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/startrek/images/u03_m_duty.png
Every other uniform has been added, you gotta complete the set.
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I really like them, especially since they look much more like uniforms instead of those Black leisure suits they wear since ST:8.
I think they would be a great addition for STO and i would DEFINITELY buy them if they would release them.
Your last link shows a different, much longer uniform variant, maybe it could serve as a ceremonial variant.
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I personally don't like them, the sleeve insignia look too out of place, but I wouldn't mind seeing them in-game. They certainly look better than STOs original uniforms
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They are surely not made of plastic and they don't have any metall platings.
They don't look like patchwork either. The generations uniform does not feature those annoying stripes in different colors like THAT, THAT or THAT uniform.
I would appreciate if the devs would release the Generations uniform. I was highly disappointed by the Jupiter uniforms when they where introduced. They looked much too chaotic and had way too much details on it.
(did i already said that i hate plastic uniforms?
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I have argued before that those stripes are not a different color. they are the same color.
It is the texture that the other parts of the uniform have that is completely missing that makes the difference.
Ok maybe they are the same color, but why do they have use different materials?
Anyway, it looks just stupid having a uniform with darker or (even more ugly) brighter stripes. I wouldn't say anything if we could color them serperately, so one could find a color to make them much less visible.
I find Cryptics uniforms much too overdone and ugly because of that. Sometimes they have nice basic ideas, but the implementation is horrible. They should hold much more on canon Starfleet uniforms instead of making something that doesn't even remotely looks like Starfleet.
Just look at the Bajoran military Uniforms, althrough i don't find them especially good looking (or sympahtic, btw.) they look great, because they are made of the right material. Imagine those uniform made of Cryptics "plastic".. it would look horrible, just as most cryptics original uniforms.
If you ask me, i would prefer them to create new materials (cloth) for their original (sierra, antares and jupiter) uniforms, so they may be look good (or better) at last.
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Then came STO and I think the "plastic" looking uniforms are kinda meant to be "more protective", like the prototype combat suits featured in DS9s "Siege of AR-558". Whenever I see them, I think that it's just a more "protective" version of the uniform. It's still ugly but that's kinda explains it.
The "antares 2" pattern the NPC security wears (which now patrol ESD with drawn miniguns, btw...) was always something like the "hazard suit" from Elite Force in my eyes.
In my own little STO canon, my senior officers wear the last canon uniform (the TNG movie/late DS9 one). My junior officers/regular crewmen up until 1st Lt. wear the DS9 uniform in late DS9 color pattern, effectively a simpler version of it also lacking the sleeve stripes. Those Antares-Security guards are "tactical offiers" in my little world, rsembling the "hazard suit" from mentioned games since these kinda make sense as a "armour" fitting the overall style.
This way, I kind of explain away minor things that bug me. Can't fix the game, though
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True Starflet uniforms looked a bit "unprotective" on alien planets for example. I am all for introducing something like a Field jacket or something similar. But Cryptics uniforms look just too much like a Peacekeeper uniform than a Starfleet uniform for my taste. (As all of their designs they are just overdone, just too much)
My persomal preference would be to use a more classic Starfllet uniform on Starships, starbases and other "secure" places. I think the "Generations" uniform would be perfect for that, but thats just my opinion.
In case of away team missions, combat scenarios, or other unfriendly environments, Starfleet personell should wear some kind of field jacket, maybe something like they wore in Star Trek: II, just modernized (but never use plastic as main material of a Starfleet uniform).
In order to do that, we should be able to choose a field- or away team uniform which will automaticly be worn when going to a hostile environment or even a normal away team mission. I cannot imagine that this would be a big problem, IF the devs would be willing to implement a bit more immersion to STO.
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The jackets look as if they are not totally bad, but that is what they would wear on the love boat if it were star trek.
I like the Generations uniform much more, at least they look like uniforms, instead of those black pyjamas they wore in DS9 and Voy, lol.
Seriously, i am waiting for this uniform since i started playing STO. They look much more like military uniforms, then the TNG series uniform, but still not as braggy as the WOK uniforms.
Sorry for writing so much in this thread but i really like this uniform, i think its a shame they didn't used them for the following movies, instead of those black bags they wore in ST:8-10.
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Maybe this is the point. We both know that Starfleet is not a military and up until First Contact no uniform actually looked "military" except maybe the TOS movie one which paid a tribute to naval uniforms of the 18th century. The last canon uniforms look more "professional" but keep the "utility" look enough to not make them look like actual military uniforms.
I could imagine the Gnerations uniform as a ceremonial variation but it somehow at least to me doesn't look like something Starfleet would wear on regular duty, it's just too "shiney". DS9/VOY jumpsuits were efficient and kept the iconic colour patterns from TNG (the DS9 uniform is btw a variant of the TNG one, both were worn at the same time maybe to distinguish different corspes or something, mostly starbase personnel wore the DS9 variant).
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I agree the uniforms look far more true to the true feeling of Star Trek. They blend the explorer and the authority of rank. They look like they command respect.
Roddenberry made it very clear that he never intended Starfleet to be a military. It is a paramilitary force, tasked with the dfense of the Federation but it is by it's very definition no military. This is stated several times on-screen and behind-the-scenes, for example SF is always under civilian control. It is more a police-force rather than a standing army. The uniform design btw. always paid a tribute to this, the Wrath of Khan movie uniform spawned a rough debate behind the scenes to a point where even actors were offended by the military looks of it.
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Starfleet always was a "peacekeeping" institutuion, dedicated to science and exploration.
I think militarsim becomes "cool" when people get fearful.
(what those people would never admit of course
Wow, i didn't know that.
But i don't think that this "Generations" uniform looks anywhere as militaristic as the WOK or Cryptics uniforms (especially the jupiter ones).
On the other hand i never liked those pyjama like uniforms they wore in Voy or DS9. I think they looked a bit too much like leisure suits and people didn't look antything like an authority when wearing them.
The generations uniform is the perfect mix between those extremeties IMO.
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That may be a possible explanation, but I don't want to step on anyones toes
It's true, some statements are quoted on Memory Alpha and came with the bonus material on a special DVD edition of the movies. Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) even wrote about that in her book; ""Portraying Starfleet as a military organization flew in the face of everything Star Trek stood for [....] At one point I forcefully but tactfully reminded Meyer and (Harve Bennet) that Starfleet was the philosophical descendant of NASA, not the Air Force."
I know what you mean regarding the DS9 jumpsuits. I always thought about those are functional duty wear while there should be a formal version for representation duties. For example, take a look at Canada's famous mounted police. Their duty uniforms don't differ from your "average" policemen but the bright red one is their representation outfit. I could imagine the "Generations" design as something like this
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Which is nice for the 1960s and 1980s but is problematic in 2012 seeing as NASA seems to be mostly doing Climate Change research stuff while the Air Force seems to be designing the spaceships.
Maybe there was something like in STO going on, Captains maybe could choose what uniform to wear, since we saw Starship personel in DS9 (early seasons) wearing TNG uniforms.
Anyway i like those uniforms, maybe for Starship officers to be weared, you know Captain, First Officer department leaders and so on.
Btw. i find it fascinating to read that the actors are more aware of Star Trek than the producers/directors.
(I think that's something really remarkable, especially if you look at how things are nowadays.)
I hope so, but IF they introduce those uniforms i wouldn't be so sure since STOs designers tend to connect various uniform pieces to be used with the same color.
(i hope my english is understandable.)
I am sure she meant it on a philosophical level.
In all those "is Starfleet military or police or Science organisation" discussions i like the idea of Starfleet being the sucessor of NASA.
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Well, she literally wrote "philosophical descendant". Also, in the 60s and 80s nobody knew that a few years later the US will become so terryfied by everything and everyone that they'll scrap their space program effectively for good in favour of even more humongous military fundings achieving, well, basically nothing.
Back then, I think many people had the hope that the cold war would end at some point and humanity would finally reach a state it could start to unveil the secrets of the world surrounding us. Instead, we are living in the 60s and 80s all over again, only worse since now we have robots to kill each other instead of probes venturing into deep space
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OH YES! I would SNAP those up in a heartbeat! I've always preferred the "rank on sleeve" look anyway... seems more "Navy" and has a long and strong tradition in both military and civilian use (Airlines, Merchant Marines, etc.). I especially like the look of that last set if it had "scrambled eggs" on the sleeves.
Actually would love to see the "scrambled eggs" added as an optional variant for all uniform choices.
And I'm still waiting on my Ambassador Class. Thats the only ship left I would pay for.
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They were more offended by how hot they were in the outfits and how much time and effort it took to put them on.
To be fair TNG uniforms have some kind of nanotechnology at work in them. They unzip with no zippers or buttons and probably have other properties. I always thought it didn't make sense when they visit other worlds without breath masks since many episodes have character getting infected with space diseases or mutated by them.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.