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eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
edited September 2012 in PvP Gameplay
I say why: Because its amazingly stupid.Why stupid? :Lolz think imagine: U have got most biggest ship ever has been made Starfleet history but u can't equip any damnit cannons heavy.Who can load them?: Stupid 50 member has also amazingly has turn rate stupid 'micro' ships has can use most of 'DPS' weapons. Its like at real life can some zodiac boat has more powerful fire power than battleship.At with this stupidly making game settings please sell stupid micro moron ships about 10k Zen each on market .Because other ones are really useless on PVP.No turn rate -can't use dual heavy weapons only gives hull amounth:Like a big bird ready to die already by little fly hands...Its so funny at all lolz...
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    I say why: Because its amazingly stupid.Why stupid? :Lolz think imagine: U have got most biggest ship ever has been made Starfleet history but u can't equip any damnit cannons heavy.Who can load them?: Stupid 50 member has also amazingly has turn rate stupid 'micro' ships has can use most of 'DPS' weapons. Its like at real life can some zodiac boat has more powerful fire power than battleship.At with this stupidly making game settings please sell stupid micro moron ships about 10k Zen each on market .Because other ones are really useless on PVP.No turn rate -can't use dual heavy weapons only gives hull amounth:Like a big bird ready to die already by little fly hands...Its so funny at all lolz...

    Sorry. but can't resist...

    U mad bro?
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Think if u can some logical.How can't use cruiser or oddysey class ship dual heavy weapons but some micro stupid 50 members ships can use them?Bigger cannons needs bigger ships its a nature lol.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I don't like PvP because I don't like to invest the amount of time it takes to "perfect" a character to my play-style. I don't constantly want to Respec a character just to get a 0.08% advantage, and then constantly hunt for the very best of everything only to be thwarted by someone who's computer is slightly faster then mine or whose internet is working better then mine that particular day. :)

    It has nothing at all to do with cannons. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • tobar26thtobar26th Member Posts: 799 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't like PvP because I don't like to invest the amount of time it takes to "perfect" a character to my play-style. I don't constantly want to Respec a character just to get a 0.08% advantage, and then constantly hunt for the very best of everything only to be thwarted by someone who's computer is slightly faster then mine or whose internet is working better then mine that particular day. :)

    It has nothing at all to do with cannons. :)
    Allow me to throw this out then, as a genuine question.

    How do you feel about Assault/Cap and Hold PVP? I'm not an arena fan, they drive me mad (for much the reasons you mentioned) but the others I quite enjoy as if people want to go hunting, they can, but I can focus on the objective and still win.

    Just curious.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    Think if u can some logical.How can't use cruiser or oddysey class ship dual heavy weapons but some micro stupid 50 members ships can use them?Bigger cannons needs bigger ships its a nature lol.

    In all seriousness, your post is not entirely clear and I am not positive as to what you are getting at. Are you implying that ships of a smaller size should not be capable of significant firepower? While there may be some logic to that statement, it would completely invalidate the Bird of Prey ship line. Who would want to use them? They are supposed to be the defacto ship of the KDF.

    If that is what you're saying, then the same can be said about the defiants. They are small as well and pack quite a punch.

    I think some suspension of belief is required as this is a video game based on a sci-fi property.
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't like PvP because I don't like to invest the amount of time it takes to "perfect" a character to my play-style. I don't constantly want to Respec a character just to get a 0.08% advantage, and then constantly hunt for the very best of everything only to be thwarted by someone who's computer is slightly faster then mine or whose internet is working better then mine that particular day. :)

    It has nothing at all to do with cannons. :)

    Funny my specs on all of my toons are something like seven months old now.


    STO pvp, doffemon aside, is really stable and easy to manage especially now that Science is TRIBBLE comparatively speaking. You just have to know the right specs, and practice. Fortunately, we made the former part incredibly easy. All you gotta do is hang around here, and look for the Cruiser, Sci and Escort threads.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't like PvP because I don't like to invest the amount of time it takes to "perfect" a character to my play-style. I don't constantly want to Respec a character just to get a 0.08% advantage, and then constantly hunt for the very best of everything only to be thwarted by someone who's computer is slightly faster then mine or whose internet is working better then mine that particular day. :)

    It has nothing at all to do with cannons. :)

    U think so...Ok come in game with my stupid micro tactical escort with ur ship challange if u have odssey class or whatever...If can get some stupid criticals with my heavy dual cannons at my 'micro boat' ship I can destroy u at seconds lol. So is it logical?Its not about respect or something else its about logic.Ofc small ships can be faster and too much turn rate from bigger ships but they cant use most powerful weapons than bigger ships.Thats the point at my side.
    Did u see any destroyer has more powerful weapons than battleship?
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    I say why: Because its amazingly stupid.Why stupid? :Lolz think imagine: U have got most biggest ship ever has been made Starfleet history but u can't equip any damnit cannons heavy.Who can load them?: Stupid 50 member has also amazingly has turn rate stupid 'micro' ships has can use most of 'DPS' weapons. Its like at real life can some zodiac boat has more powerful fire power than battleship.At with this stupidly making game settings please sell stupid micro moron ships about 10k Zen each on market .Because other ones are really useless on PVP.No turn rate -can't use dual heavy weapons only gives hull amounth:Like a big bird ready to die already by little fly hands...Its so funny at all lolz...

    Even if the Oddy and other Fat TRIBBLE Cruisers could mount DHCs no one in their right mind would. (You can mount DHCs on a Failaxy X, and a Voquv... no one does it, know why?) Because their Turn Rate Blows.

    Their Boff layouts do not encourage Tac heavy weapons.

    Those "lil ships" like the Defiant by the way? Are fully capable of going toe to toe in canon against the biggest and baddest ships around. Because they are a Warpcore, with big Guns strapped around them, on as small of a vessel as possible. And they use Big Warpcores in those little ships. Those little ships require a great deal less power to operate.

    Also? Fed cruisers? Excelsior aside, they aren't damage dealers in this game. I suggest you read my Cruiser 3.0 thread, you'll find it most enlightening and maybe you won't die in one pass to any tom **** and harry sporting Dual Heavy Cannons.

    And if at the end of it you're still jealous of Escorts, Big Dual Heavy...........Cannons go make a KDF, and go grab a Vorcha Retrofit. You'll find if you build it correctly, that it can fully utilize those Big..............Dual........Heavy...........Cannons

    Here's the thread http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379591

    Tell you what, go get your little "super escort" and I'll get my Eng's assualt cruiser. I'll fall asleep as you flail at my shields like a lil half dead school girl in a cat fight, and do absolutely nothing to my ship.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't like PvP because I don't like to invest the amount of time it takes to "perfect" a character to my play-style. I don't constantly want to Respec a character just to get a 0.08% advantage, and then constantly hunt for the very best of everything only to be thwarted by someone who's computer is slightly faster then mine or whose internet is working better then mine that particular day. :)

    It has nothing at all to do with cannons. :)

    I can appreciate that. I havent been pvp'ing much lately just because it does seem to be broken.

    Now it's not just a matter of being a good player...you have to have the best ship(tier 3 fleet) and the best consoles money can buy. Hardly seems competitive.

    I would like to see pvp balanced some time in the future.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Even if the Oddy and other Fat TRIBBLE Cruisers could mount DHCs no one in their right mind would. (You can mount DHCs on a Failaxy X, and a Voquv... no one does it, know why?) Because their Turn Rate Blows.

    Their Boff layouts do not encourage Tac heavy weapons.

    Those "lil ships" like the Defiant by the way? Are fully capable of going toe to toe in canon against the biggest and baddest ships around. Because they are a Warpcore, with big Guns strapped around them, on as small of a vessel as possible. And they use Big Warpcores in those little ships. Those little ships require a great deal less power to operate.

    Also? Fed cruisers? Excelsior aside, they aren't damage dealers in this game. I suggest you read my Cruiser 3.0 thread, you'll find it most enlightening and maybe you won't die in one pass to any tom **** and harry sporting Dual Heavy Cannons.

    And if at the end of it you're still jealous of Escorts, Big Dual Heavy...........Cannons go make a KDF, and go grab a Vorcha Retrofit. You'll find if you build it correctly, that it can fully utilize those Big..............Dual........Heavy...........Cannons

    Here's the thread http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379591

    Tell you what, go get your little "super escort" and I'll get my Eng's assualt cruiser. I'll fall asleep as you flail at my shields like a lil half dead school girl in a cat fight, and do absolutely nothing to my ship.

    I seee And agree but just look at the name: Dual HEAVY cannons can equip with 50 members micro shpis but CAN'T use Oddy class or cruiser class ships whf is this logic??? Its really insane reason:heaviest ships can't use heaviest weapons but distant ships can use heaviest wepons....
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    I seee And agree but just look at the name: Dual HEAVY cannons can equip with 50 members micro shpis but CAN'T use Oddy class or cruiser class ships whf is this logic??? Its really insane reason:heaviest ships can't use heaviest weapons but distant ships can use heaviest wepons....

    Look at the size of an AE, or other Escort parked next to an assault cruiser. It's not like we're talking about a shuttle to a Cruiser here.

    Because you wouldn't use them even if you could mount them. They are terrible on ships that are slow to turn. Utterly Terrible. You actually will do more effective DPS broadsiding with even 6 beams, than you would with DHCs on the front of an oddy.

    Trust me, you aren't missing out on anything there. You're actually doing more now (or should be) than you would if you had DHCs on the ship.
  • adon333adon333 Member Posts: 304
    edited September 2012
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    Yeah, that's right.
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

    I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.
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  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    voporak wrote: »
    Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

    I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.

    Hah that was best:P Heavy does not mean heavy^^They made build for them hah^^ So lol what about Tactical Oddy for build or operations Oddy?Ah maybe They r just build for to be fat guy and trip on space for die by who has build for with his 'Micro' size armed with 'Heavy Dual Weapons'...Cmon guys if any weapon names are calling with 'Heavy and Dual',its mean need to mounth heavy and bigger ship thats all.If not so peregrin fighters or Delta flyer or something else at same class can be use heavier weapons than already at game too...
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited September 2012
    voporak wrote: »
    Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

    I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.



    Cruisers not built for battle ? Rubbish untrue

    Cruisers are the Queens of battle with Battleships
    The King

    The defiant was defeated I'n battle by a Excelcior
    Refit I'n the last season of DS-9

    The defiant was a prototype and it's weapons systems
    Had not been put into production for general fleet use
    Watch the first episode of DS-9 again.

    You could strap 3 defiants to the saucer section of a galaxy
    Class battleship

    Anything you can put I'n a defiant you can put 10x
    As much I'n a Sovereign or Galaxy


    STO has left and rejected star trek cannon and
    Created there own version of it. Which denys any
    Logic. And rejects star trek history.

    That's why some star trek Fans are upset
    And they have a right to be.......

    The ships I'n this game operate nothing like what
    We have saw on the tv series books and other
    Games before this one.
    Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

    JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »
    Cruisers not built for battle ? Rubbish untrue

    Cruisers are the Queens of battle with Battleships
    The King

    The defiant was defeated I'n battle by a Excelcior
    Refit I'n the last season of DS-9

    The defiant was a prototype and it's weapons systems
    Had not been put into production for general fleet use
    Watch the first episode of DS-9 again.

    You could strap 3 defiants to the saucer section of a galaxy
    Class battleship

    Anything you can put I'n a defiant you can put 10x
    As much I'n a Sovereign or Galaxy


    STO has left and rejected star trek cannon and
    Created there own version of it. Which denys any
    Logic. And rejects star trek history.

    That's why some star trek Fans are upset
    And they have a right to be.......

    The ships I'n this game operate nothing like what
    We have saw on the tv series books and other
    Games before this one.
    Absolutly agree with ur every words.Tyvm!!!
  • amidoinitrightamidoinitright Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    U think so...Ok come in game with my stupid micro tactical escort with ur ship challange if u have odssey class or whatever...If can get some stupid criticals with my heavy dual cannons at my 'micro boat' ship I can destroy u at seconds lol. So is it logical?Its not about respect or something else its about logic.Ofc small ships can be faster and too much turn rate from bigger ships but they cant use most powerful weapons than bigger ships.Thats the point at my side.
    Did u see any destroyer has more powerful weapons than battleship?

    You couldn't destroy any of my cruisers in seconds, because I know how to tank. Logicaly.


    And Cruise missiles are the most powerful weapons used by modern navies, & destroyers do carry them.
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  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    You couldn't destroy any of my cruisers in seconds, because I know how to tank. Logicaly.


    And Cruise missiles are the most powerful weapons used by modern navies, & destroyers do carry them.

    Hah I can.It's just depends how u r build ur skills...If u have good skills maybe I can't at seconds but ur tanking will be nothing to the my weapons barrels at the end...They have really huge DPS.Maybe u can get me several times if u r really good with my low hull amounth but I'm sure I will get u too much more...It's already tested maybe hundred times thats the fact srry...
  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    Think if u can some logical.How can't use cruiser or oddysey class ship dual heavy weapons but some micro stupid 50 members ships can use them?Bigger cannons needs bigger ships its a nature lol.

    take a chill-pill m8 :)

    It's all about design. You can get a Ferrari with a big V12 500hp engine, but you can't get the VW transporter with that big an engine, even if it's a bigger car.

    Escorts sacrificed a weapons slot and 2 device slots to make room for heavy cannons, and sacrificed a whole lot of hull to be able to turn faster.

    Sorry, this has no bearing at all on why most people don't PvP. The main reason is the extreme difference in difficulty between PvE and PvP. That's all.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    dassemsto wrote: »
    take a chill-pill m8 :)

    It's all about design. You can get a Ferrari with a big V12 500hp engine, but you can't get the VW transporter with that big an engine, even if it's a bigger car.

    Escorts sacrificed a weapons slot and 2 device slots to make room for heavy cannons, and sacrificed a whole lot of hull to be able to turn faster.

    Sorry, this has no bearing at all on why most people don't PvP. The main reason is the extreme difference in difficulty between PvE and PvP. That's all.

    Ok here we go I say something about with ur example: Can u put a Tank barrel on ferrari?Lets imagine that u did it can u think of use it while on ferrari to fire?:)))
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    Hah I can.It's just depends how u r build ur skills...If u have good skills maybe I can't at seconds but ur tanking will be nothing to the my weapons barrels at the end...They have really huge DPS.Maybe u can get me several times if u r really good with my low hull amounth but I'm sure I will get u too much more...It's already tested maybe hundred times thats the fact srry...

    pm me and set up a challenge. This I have to see

    @mavairo is my handle.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    pm me and set up a challenge. This I have to see

    @mavairo is my handle.

    Hah I knew it that what u say this.So I can see u have never join any PVP:PNo need to challenge with me ofc we can if u want but just go with ur amazing cruiser to join PVP and test urself at there will how much seconds are u alive:)
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    Hah I knew it that what u say this.So I can see u have never join any PVP:PNo need to challenge with me ofc we can if u want but just go with ur amazing cruiser to join PVP and test urself at there will how much seconds are u alive:)

    Kiddo, not only do I pvp. But frankly, I'm kind of famous for it. And are you dodging me, seriously?

    What, you don't wanna put your money where your mouth is? I'm in game right now. You won't be killin me with that ship of yours. Not without help at any rate.
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    tobar26th wrote: »
    Allow me to throw this out then, as a genuine question.

    How do you feel about Assault/Cap and Hold PVP? I'm not an arena fan, they drive me mad (for much the reasons you mentioned) but the others I quite enjoy as if people want to go hunting, they can, but I can focus on the objective and still win.

    Just curious.

    For most experienced pvpers, refered as Cap 'n Lulz is nothing more then a big rapefest, and nobody cares about the objectives but basically **** everything and spawncamp the base and even kill the turrets when they're at it.

    Why even bother with the objectives, no reward at all.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Kiddo, not only do I pvp. But frankly, I'm kind of famous for it. And are you dodging me, seriously?

    What, you don't wanna put your money where your mouth is? I'm in game right now. You won't be killin me with that ship of yours. Not without help at any rate.

    puhuhoohahahaah that was absolutly nice:)))
    Look I'm not dodging anybody:) If u annoyed (also dont know exactly why?)
    U r missed the point of this topic.I'm not open this topic for challenge or ''mine is bigger than urs'' thing. Please read again my first reply.If u have a lot money to put somewhere go buy something more from gamestore to make urs 'bigger':)maybe u need that:P
  • ghostyandfrostyghostyandfrosty Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    puhuhoohahahaah that was absolutly nice:)))
    Look I'm not dodging anybody:) If u annoyed (also dont know exactly why?)
    U r missed the point of this topic.I'm not open this topic for challenge or ''mine is bigger than urs'' thing. Please read again my first reply.If u have a lot money to put somewhere go buy something more from gamestore to make urs 'bigger':)maybe u need that

    You're the one complaining about .........Big....Dual... oh so.......Heavy..........Cann oooooohons ;)

    What did you buy that big Cruiser of yours to compensate for something?

    You're saying that a DHC escort will melt a cruiser, all by itself, a statement that is so laughably untrue that it demonstrates quite clearly your experience level in pvp. Especially since you seem to want DHCs on a ship that is so slow you might as well get out and push to turn it.

    I'm giving you the chance to prove me and frankly the rest of the pvp community that is Skilled wrong. Go ahead shoot me a tell and challenge. @mavairo I'll even fraps it for you if you want. My only request is we use the cap and hold map as it is the most visually interesting, and UI lag free of all the maps while filming.
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited September 2012
    eviax wrote: »
    puhuhoohahahaah that was absolutly nice:)))
    Look I'm not dodging anybody:) If u annoyed (also dont know exactly why?)
    U r missed the point of this topic.I'm not open this topic for challenge or ''mine is bigger than urs'' thing. Please read again my first reply.If u have a lot money to put somewhere go buy something more from gamestore to make urs 'bigger':)maybe u need that:P

    just out of curiosity.... is english your first language?
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Okayyy forget it what I want to try to say all...Smallest ships has most heavy-dual-powerful weapons is too logical.Biggest ships are only fat and they can't have any capabilty to handle to equip heavy cannons(maybe they r too fat to take anymore heavy weapons:P)So this is logical too.Lets play star trek enjoy ur play everyone:)
  • adon333adon333 Member Posts: 304
    edited September 2012
    Kiddo, not only do I pvp. But frankly, I'm kind of famous for it. And are you dodging me, seriously?

    What, you don't wanna put your money where your mouth is? I'm in game right now. You won't be killin me with that ship of yours. Not without help at any rate.

    ROFLMAO @ This^ F'n hilarious!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeAjISBb2U

    LOL "Not only do I pvp, But frankly, I'm kind of FAMOUS for it B!"
    ROFLROFLROFL
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]


    Yeah, that's right.
  • eviaxeviax Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    just out of curiosity.... is english your first language?

    So srry for spam I was ended but I can't pass it this one.

    Ofc English is NOT my first language (thank god) and I really dont be exuse for that.So if its ur opinion must be read only perfect ENglish u dont need to understand what I try to tell here.U can go read other somethingelse.
    So its so easy with ur first language jape to other's trying to tell something without know as their first language...
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