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New Ship by End of Sept--A Time to Buy and Show the KDF is Strong

gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Fellow Warriors,

Dan Stahl has indicated that we will have a new ship by month's end:

"Q: (lowestlvl) Wells Class? when? New KDF ships? when?

Dstahl: Currently both are scheduled for the second half of this month (September)."

http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=665391

This is fantastic news for the KDF and long in the coming. I want to encourage all of you to begin saving, either real money or Zen through dilithium conversion, to buy this ship, even if it doesn't ultimately thrill you and contain all of your dream features. As I have indicated before, I think the KDF is at a turning point, and it is up to us to send Cryptic a message that the KDF is a strong faction that will make them money. Arguments about fairness have some force, but let's be honest, the biggest influence comes through money, and we as a faction need to flex our influence a bit.

Dan has indicated that he is taking a "if we build it they will come" approach to the KDF. The release of this new ship--which I personally think will be some sort of escort-carrier to match the Fed version but my opinion is of little relevance on this matter--is a great opportunity for us to show our health and vitality. In addition to the survey they posted (and I hope all of you voted! http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379951), our purchase of this new ship will show that there is strong demand for new KDF stuff.

I know it is hard to spend/save money, but think about it as an investment in the future of the faction. The KDF is building momentum, and (as noted before), the survey they posted indicates that there is serious demand for new KDF content, so let's ride this wave to victory.

Warriors, this is a time to rise and take the battlefield. Qapla'!
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  • sulfrustriplesulfrustriple Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I read this as a new lockbox ship from the "future." The Wells Class and Korath Class I believe. If there is C-Store things out there, that's good too. Have to wait a few weeks to find out.
  • snipe048snipe048 Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Lock Boxs Stop dropping on the 20th, and new ships Including a "Timeship" are going to appear in game later this month? I really hope this isn't going down like i'm thinking.


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  • mattimeo97mattimeo97 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    our purchase of this new ship will show that there is strong demand for new KDF stuff.

    Unfortunately, if any new KDF C-store ship sucks, the purchase of it will simply further reinforce the idea that KDF is so content starved that it will happily gorge itself on rotting table scraps.

    As it is, like the poster above, I'm concerned that the anticipated 'new ship' will be hidden in the lockbox lottery, and effectively unavailable to many who would simply pay for it directly.

    I guess we'll see when it's released.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mattimeo97 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, if any new KDF C-store ship sucks, the purchase of it will simply further reinforce the idea that KDF is so content starved that it will happily gorge itself on rotting table scraps.

    As it is, like the poster above, I'm concerned that the anticipated 'new ship' will be hidden in the lockbox lottery, and effectively unavailable to many who would simply pay for it directly.

    I guess we'll see when it's released.
    It's certainly better though to show that KDF ships sell, rather than do nothing and reinforce that impression. We ALL know the KDF is starved... meaning if the opinion is worse by buying sucky KDF ships, it's worse, and no harm is done because the harm is already done.

    But by buying this ship, we slowly but surely show that the KDF ships are worth the effort, meaning they'll be more inclined to make more. And again slowly-but-surely get us out of that starved rut.

    As for the Klingon ship being in a lockbox, I doubt it. We all know the Wells class will be the focus on the next lockbox, considering it's appearance all over the place. It's far more likely that the KDF ship will be a C-Store ship.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I just hope its a good ship. Wether I buy it or not depends on wether is well designed or just a poor design.
    I try to buy as much to support the KDF as possible, but I grow tired of spending money on vessels that seem less than worth the money
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  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    trek21 wrote: »

    As for the Klingon ship being in a lockbox, I doubt it. We all know the Wells class will be the focus on the next lockbox, considering it's appearance all over the place.

    I don't understand. So you think there will be a bunch of klingons flying a wells class? Remember that lockboxes are not Fed exclusive.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I personally think the Welles and the Korath Class will be a 1000 Day Vet reward. As for lock boxes, they are generally cross faction, like the Galor, D'Kora etc.

    I am thinking that the next Fed ship will be the Vesta and the KDF ship will also be a c-store ship. Lets hope I am right, I would be extremely disappointed with anything less. I am rather excited by this news.
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I just hope its a good ship. Wether I buy it or not depends on wether is well designed or just a poor design.
    I try to buy as much to support the KDF as possible, but I grow tired of spending money on vessels that seem less than worth the money

    I have to agree, we all want more KDF content, but quality. The KDF should be about quality over quantity, quantity is a Fed thing.


    This is fantastic news for the KDF and long in the coming. I want to encourage all of you to begin saving, either real money or Zen through dilithium conversion, to buy this ship, even if it doesn't ultimately thrill you and contain all of your dream features.

    I have almost 7,000 Zen already, been grinding it up in the hopes of a load of KDF gear hitting the C-store. I won't spend it on anything but KDF C-store content.
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    I don't understand. So you think there will be a bunch of klingons flying a wells class? Remember that lockboxes are not Fed exclusive.
    Would Klingons pilot a Jem'Hadar, Cardassian, Ferengi, or Tholian ship as their main ship?

    Probably not. But in-game, we do. I imagine if the Wells class is the focus of the lockbox, it'll have two sides to the story.

    Feds will have a replica of the ship, built with current technology and little of it's 29th century tech, because it was built with current technology to resemble the class. They'll be test-fielding this class, or some such thing like that.

    The KDF though, will probably get the ship purely to study it's strengths/weaknesses and so on, and keep as many out of the Fed's hands. Flying one is gonna be tough to explain, so I'll see what they say about that.

    This is all of course assuming the Wells class is the focus on the new lockbox, as the high-end prize. I could very well be wrong though.
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  • gradstudent1gradstudent1 Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Thanks, folks, for these great posts.

    I am also inclined to think that the Drop Box end date and the new ship start date are coincidental. The dropbox ships do tend to the cross-factional (Galor, Marauder, etc.).

    Let's hope Cryptic knows that they need a serious bull's eye with this ship if they are to begin shifting KDF attitudes toward the devs.


    Side note:

    Many of you posted excellent questions for the Q & A, and Soriedem and I wil be going through them on Sunday (today) to put together a master list of questions to ask Dan.
  • blunted74blunted74 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    Would Klingons pilot a Jem'Hadar, Cardassian, Ferengi, or Tholian ship as their main ship?

    Those are what you might consider neutral factions. The wells class is clearly a Federation ship.

    I like your theory better as it would allow me to just buy the ship instead of playing the crappy lottery, however, it is extremely extremely unlikely.

    If the wells class is a lockbox ship, then the Korath would be the KDF equivalent.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blunted74 wrote: »
    Those are what you might consider neutral factions. The wells class is clearly a Federation ship.

    I like your theory better as it would allow me to just buy the ship instead of playing the crappy lottery, however, it is extremely extremely unlikely.

    If the wells class is a lockbox ship, then the Korath would be the KDF equivalent.
    The extremely unlikely can still happen ;)

    But of course, at the moment, we're stuck waiting to see what does happen.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    Would Klingons pilot a Jem'Hadar, Cardassian, Ferengi, or Tholian ship as their main ship?

    Probably not. But in-game, we do. I imagine if the Wells class is the focus of the lockbox, it'll have two sides to the story.

    Not unless you're a Cardassian privateer working for the Empire. Like me. lol :D
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I am 100% convinced the "new KDF ship" will be the 1000-day vet reward ship they have been talking about for a while now, and I am equally convinced it is the one already leaked a few weeks back in the Foundry, as that ship was shown to have a "Future" skin, suggesting it is the KDF timeship answer to the Wells.

    I doubt there is a second, C-Store or Lockbox KDF ship in the pipeline for mid-september, based on Al Rivera's "we are working on one new KDF ship" leak during his recent Priorityone interview, but I could be wrong.

    To be frank, I wouldn't be all too pleased to see the Wells as anything but a 1000-day-only vet ship, and clearly there would need to be a KDF version, which as I stated the "Future" skin depicted on the Things To Come video of the leaked ship seems to point to.

    And before someone gets all "they said 1000 day vet ship variant" - Rivera in that same Prioriryone interview actually specified its a ship, not a variant.
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,712 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    From the Raptr Q&A:
    pyro0139: when we getting ship wide uniforms?
    also what will next lock box be? hope its a derilict ship box, what i mean, top prize be old style bop's for feds, and old forget name starter ship for klinks,
    there is cannon to prove any one with resources could get these ships.
    Dstahl: Only "time" will tell what the next Lock Box is.... :)

    Current lock boxes stop dropping over a week before the end of the month. The next lock box thus starts before the end of the month, and has to do with time. The Korath is a time ship.

    Either the "new KDF ship" is a lock box ship, or it's in addition to the Korath, or there's a giant fact we're all missing that provides another explanation for all of those points in my previous paragraph that we're just all missing.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    or it's in addition to the Korath.

    What makes you think the Korath will be lockbox, and not 1000-day? Up until now, Lockboxes have been 3rd party ships - not the main 2. If they're smart, the next lockbox would be Romulan... the demand is at a peak. (yes, we do see time-theme, and tholian, but also romulan in the latest screens)
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,712 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    jnohd wrote: »
    What makes you think the Korath will be lockbox, and not 1000-day? Up until now, Lockboxes have been 3rd party ships - not the main 2. If they're smart, the next lockbox would be Romulan... the demand is at a peak. (yes, we do see time-theme, and tholian, but also romulan in the latest screens)

    1) Every lockbox so far has contained ships.
    2) The next lockbox involves time.
    3) The Korath is a timeship.

    Unless the Korath is a C-store ship and the Wells is a lockbox ship, the above seems to indicate the Korath will be in a lockbox. It's possible the former is in fact the situation, but based on recent statements to the effect that hardly anybody buys Klingon C-Store ships, it doesn't seem likely to me.

    Is there a third scenario I'm not seeing? I've been up for close to 20 hours, I could be loopy.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    but based on recent statements to the effect that hardly anybody buys Klingon C-Store ships, it doesn't seem likely to me.

    That is due to the condition the faction is in, the fact we have no new KDF ships to buy and a lot of KDF fans have bought out the c-store in terms of content. Also many fans don't like buying low tier ships that they can only use for a short time period. They see it as a waste of money on their part. I'd be disappointed if they don't bring a new c-store KDF ship to the game, people seem to want it, my 7,000 zen says that. I may not own every KDF ship but really the others are really not wanted as I don't like the Gorn in STO nor their ships with only one being tier 5, and the others are either low level that I wouldn't use or look like a giant fek'lhri fish. :P

    I'd personally be really disappointed if the Welles and Korath become lock box ships I was hoping for something more original like a Hirogen, Kazon, Breen etc designs/ships. Keep up with the past lock boxes. I'd even like it if the Jem'Hadar ship made it into a lock box as a re-run for those who missed out, even as a second top end reward to go along with whatever ship they had.
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  • ebeneezergoodeebeneezergoode Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Korath class will almost certainly be the KDF time ship. Korath was in a DTI novel called "Watching the Clock" where he was their go to guy for timey-wimey TRIBBLE. And he was all for developing an engine that could allow time travel. As such, I find it highly likely we're getting lock box time ships, rather than a new bird of prey or raptor, which are at least in my estimation, obviously rather needed at this point.

    Not sure how I feel about time ships being dolled out to us, it makes almost no sense whatsoever. With all the effort that's made into setting "rules" and "paramaters" for what is and isn't possible in a sci-fi setting, it's surprisingly easy to TRIBBLE all over that. It's reasons like that which prevent T5 connies etc, and now we're getting a time ship? It'd be interesting if they were just given to us, and gated for time travel missions of which we have several already.

    Regarding whether or not Klingons would take non-Klingon ships, if it was good enough for Koloth, it's good enough for us.;)
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    Is there a third scenario I'm not seeing? I've been up for close to 20 hours, I could be loopy.

    IMHO, yes - the 1000-day vet rewards. (see above)
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  • ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The reason I think the Wells and Korath are not the 1000 day vet reward ship is because of what Dan said in the Q&A....

    He basically said that they will be releast in September and that the 1000 day vet reward wont be releast untill October.

    He also said something about only "time" will tell what the next lock box ship will be.

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  • mattimeo97mattimeo97 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012

    Not sure how I feel about time ships being dolled out to us, it makes almost no sense whatsoever.

    You can't believably retcon all of your plot holes and mistakes without changing history.

    You change history with a time ship.
  • portgazdportgazd Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Unfortunately I won't be able to buy the new KDF ship. I just bought the Garumba and the Kar'fi a few days ago and spent approx 60K dilithium extra on the Kar'fi frigates.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ussboleyn wrote: »
    He also said something about only "time" will tell what the next lock box ship will be.

    This. So they will put the Korath in the lockboxes, and it's the next KDF ship we were promised. That's only my guess though.

    Furhtermore, it's unlikely they release a new lockbox and a new ship at the same time, they often allow the living wallets some time to replenish before releasing something new.

    Will buy the Korath though, unless it's a cruiser. I have a good amount of millions to reward the lucky guy who will get his Korath. Which means that i'll buy it! :D
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    1) Every lockbox so far has contained ships.
    2) The next lockbox involves time.
    3) The Korath is a timeship.

    Unless the Korath is a C-store ship and the Wells is a lockbox ship, the above seems to indicate the Korath will be in a lockbox. It's possible the former is in fact the situation, but based on recent statements to the effect that hardly anybody buys Klingon C-Store ships, it doesn't seem likely to me.

    Is there a third scenario I'm not seeing? I've been up for close to 20 hours, I could be loopy.

    No lockbox ship has so far been split into a fed version or KDF version. They are 'neutral' faction ships not allied to either side.

    That alone tells me the Wells and Korath are either a c-store ship or the 1000 day vet reward since they are faction-specific.

    Since there are two ships made that are timeships and that we have been hinted that an andorian ship and the Vesta were in the works... and taking into account the chronic biased approach to cstore ship releases by cryptic... then logic dictates that is most likely that:

    Wells and Korath are the 1000 day vet rewards.
    Andorian or Vesta will be the next store ship.
    KDF gets nothing again.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    What IS the Korath? I've hit Memory Alpha and Beta and can't find anything except a scientist by that name.
  • aethon3050aethon3050 Member Posts: 599 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I'm hoping that some of the new ships we're being promised are additional KDF fleet ships; we really need a science vessel...like a Fleet Varanus.
  • dwhornetdwhornet Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I heard the time feature will be active in game, so you can go back in time and give your self an extra alpha strike.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    No lockbox ship has so far been split into a fed version or KDF version. They are 'neutral' faction ships not allied to either side.

    When opening the current lockboxes there are faction-specific ships-- Mirror Vor'cha is given when KDF, and Mirror Star Cruiser or Mirror Assault Cruiser awarded Fed side. Plus, a few other non-ship rewards have been faction split. Just because they haven't had the main draw ship (Orb Weaver in the latest case) being faction split doesn't mean they won't this time, seeing as they have the capability to do so.

    As for being a vet reward, it sounds like it'd be a really cool and worthwhile thing given to Cryptic's loyal subscribers... Which leads me to believe that it won't be a vet reward, seeing as the last thing given was cute non-combat monkey and most the ones before that weren't that great. Plus, they're still figuring out how subscribers fit into the new F2P model, so it being limited to such a small portion of the player base when they could make more money by it being lockbox/C-Store doesn't seem likely to me. Maybe the Vet reward will be a variant of the ship which you don't have to lockbox-fish for or lacking the C-Store's console would be the best I'd expect if you're nearing that mark.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Well, whatever happens. . .I refuse to invest time and zen into unlocking boxes. It's a gamble I'm not willing to take, especially since I'm not a power player who can grind endlessly. If there's a new C-store ship and it's something along the lines of a decent BoP/Raptor level ship, I might actually buy it. It has to be worth spending Zen on, I'm not some feddie with deep pockets willing to buy every bit of TRIBBLE that Cryptic/PWE put out. It's why I'm still reluctant to buy the Fleet Hoh'sus, because it's the equivalent of spending 20 dollars on a ship that's only available to a single character. If it were account-wide, I'd be much less reluctant, because it's a solid improvement over the Hegh'ta and the B'rel in terms of straight-up combat performance.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    tom61sto wrote: »
    When opening the current lockboxes there are faction-specific ships-- Mirror Vor'cha is given when KDF, and Mirror Star Cruiser or Mirror Assault Cruiser awarded Fed side.

    True but those were literally copy/paste jobs with a minor modification. The timeships are completely new models and stuff.
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