I was sitting here and arguing with some one when i realised that klingons have acess to 4 free ship classes. And I started thinking what would a 4th fed ship class be?
This would be a ra ship like the vo'quv and would have to be different in some way from what already available.
So I was thinking what about a frigate classed vessel? My thinking was....
ans as far as i know the new orleads will be a cstore ship.
I was talking about a dilithium ship.
I understand the latter and I have yet to see any definitive information about the former.
Do you have any hard information about it being a C-Store ship?
I understand the latter and I have yet to see any definitive information about the former.
Do you have any hard information about it being a C-Store ship?
I'm not really sure what your point in this sentence is.
And which ship do you mean?
The carrier?
So far since season 3 I think every ship released had been either c store or lock box, infact some free ships were converted into cstore ships. (the excelsior and the nebula at commander level.)
The point of that sentance was that there is at least one fairly unique boff layout that doesent exist on the fed side so it would be new to the feds.
and yes I was refrencing the kar'fi.
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I was sitting here and arguing with some one when i realised that klingons have acess to 4 free ship classes. And I started thinking what would a 4th fed ship class be?
This would be a ra ship like the vo'quv and would have to be different in some way from what already available.
So I was thinking what about a frigate classed vessel? My thinking was....
Commander sci
Ltc tactical
Lt tactical
Lt eng
Ensign eng
+10 power to engines
+10 power to aux
+5% defense rating
What do you think?
I think this is not a frigate. Its an escort with the boff layout of a recon science ship.
In other words, you're dreaming something this unbalanced will happen.
Federation free ship class? A NEW type of ship? Ok, how about this:
Class Name: Raijin Class
Ship Type: Corvette
A corvette is a hull class in-between runabouts and the smallest starships (Oberth/Defiant/Miranda).
Comissioned after the Dominion War, the corvette class hull concept was an attempt to provide the fleet with a small starship capable of independent long range missions which runabouts could not fulfill and which existing Frigate designs could not handle.
The Raijin class Corvette is a 3-deck vessel with a crew of 40. Its capabilities include combat, rescue, recon, special operations and fleet support (Tender).
Ability: Tender - This ability is the equivalent of hazard 1 + extend shields 1 to target friendly ship. When using ability ship must remain inside 5km range. Duration of ability matches that of extends shields 1.
Special 'Console' for this ship is a Device.
Aegis Drones : Launches 20 drones (10 per launch). Drones launched form a cloud around ship or target. These drones have innate Intercept order. Drones will fly to and collide with any incoming destroyable object (mines, fighters, heavy torpedoes) but not ships. Device has unlimited launch drones and a re-use timer of 1 minute. Can be equipped only on Corvette, Frigate, Shuttle or Runabout sized vessels.
I think this is not a frigate. Its an escort with the boff layout of a recon science ship.
In other words, you're dreaming something this unbalanced will happen.
Federation free ship class? A NEW type of ship? Ok, how about this:
Class Name: Raijin Class
Ship Type: Corvette
A corvette is a hull class in-between runabouts and the smallest starships (Oberth/Defiant/Miranda).
Comissioned after the Dominion War, the corvette class hull concept was an attempt to provide the fleet with a small starship capable of independent long range missions which runabouts could not fulfill and which existing Frigate designs could not handle.
The Raijin class Corvette is a 3-deck vessel with a crew of 40. Its capabilities include combat, rescue, recon, special operations and fleet support (Tender).
Ability: Tender - This ability is the equivalent of hazard 1 + extend shields 1 to target friendly ship. When using ability ship must remain inside 5km range. Duration of ability matches that of extends shields 1.
Special 'Console' for this ship is a Device.
Aegis Drones : Launches 20 drones (10 per launch). Drones launched form a cloud around ship or target. These drones have innate Intercept order. Drones will fly to and collide with any incoming destroyable object (mines, fighters, heavy torpedoes) but not ships. Device has unlimited launch drones and a re-use timer of 1 minute. Can be equipped only on Corvette, Frigate, Shuttle or Runabout sized vessels.
First if this is imbalanced the the kar'fi is wholley op.
Second what endgame use would your ship posess? why does the federation need more shuttle sized vessels?
My idea was a ship of the line not a personal watercraft.
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Ideas like this are not really that new and I think the New Orleans Class (which was referred to as a "Frigate" on screen) still fits the bill.
So those that mean KDF will get the same number ship as the Federation?
Because right know there way more Fed ships then KDF ship. Oh and there are ZERO KDF fleet ship that are offer at discount.
What about uniforms. Fed have million. KDF have hardly anything.
Then there levels
Fed have 1-50 with content
KDF 25-50 with hardly any content. Like one mission per level. But yeah lets give more thing to poor fed. Why should the KDF have anything the fed do have.
I dont understand what you mean about a free 4th ship?
If you mean RA fed get 6choices,
If you mean ship classes, e.g. cruiser/science/escort or raider/raptor/battlecruiser/carrier i think KDF gets carrier in lieu of an actual science ship, as for the raiders, they are jack of all trades masters of none (minus alpha strikes)
(an I kinda want to echo they if feds get something does that mean the kdf get some of fed style?)
The federation and klingon shipyards should be different, you know, give people a reason to play both factions? the federation has plenty of choices, kdf has quite a few..
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I mean ship classes and I mean the ships you are awarded upon hittind RA or BG
AT RA level you have 3 ship classes with 2 bo layouts each that if selected upon level up cost you nothing I am not counting any cstore or va ships in this.
At bg you have 4 ship classes not as many Bo layouts as fed but these really are mostly just a single console difference and a different ensign power. And technicaly with the neg'vhar and vor'cha being in the cruiser class there are 5 available choices so feds only lead by 1
I am also not suggesting the fed side get a ship type the kdf has they get a carrier and a raider and have exclusive access to ships with total universal layouts and a carrier class ship. Also this section of the forums is for discussion of federation ships so I didn't post anything related to klingon shipping. If you wish to discuss the disparity between fed and kling gameplay use the proper forum.
What I posted was somthing that isn't currently in this game with a layout that isn't seen on the fed side.
I did not mean NEW is the sense it hasnt been seen before i meant new in the sense that it isn't there right now so if it were added it would be new to this game and our choices.
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Commander sci
Ltc tactical
Lt tactical
Lt eng
Ensign eng
+10 power to engines
+10 power to aux
+5% defense rating
What do you think?
Congratulations. You have just made every other ship in the game pointless to fly.
This is the holy grail of bridge officer layouts and, barring a 4th tac console, the dogs nuts of console spread.
Everything about this ship screams perfection. Which is why we will never see it. PWE would lose tons in Z-store ships cos no one would fly anything else.
that would give me an awesome Excelsior, I don't use the ensign engineer anyway but that's an example of what I would do with 12 free slots to place and use as I see fit (alternatively I might just take Lt. CMDR science).
the thing being that while it would allow you to customise your BOFF layout it would be a 1 time thing, a "you've made you bed now lay in it, unless you have some money for us"
Congratulations. You have just made every other ship in the game pointless to fly.
This is the holy grail of bridge officer layouts and, barring a 4th tac console, the dogs nuts of console spread.
Everything about this ship screams perfection. Which is why we will never see it. PWE would lose tons in Z-store ships cos no one would fly anything else.
Want though.
Again a very similar officer lay out does exist on the klingon side so how is it OP?
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According to STOWIKI, if thats any authority on the subject. Not sure:
Federation
cruisers/ escorts/ science vessels
FDF
raiders/ raptors/ battlecruisers/ warships
Sure on the surface it may seen that the KDF have an extra class.
But, Federation carriers have been added to Federation escort and science vessel categories, while KDF have them in warships.
It should be,
Federation
cruisers/ escorts/ science vessels/ carriers
FDF
raiders/ raptors/ battlecruisers/ warships
Now if you look again, you will see that the imbalance across most of these classes favors the Fed-ships...
The only class in which the KDF have a lead is carriers, because the very nature of the KDF cries assault and conquest.
True but don't forget that I wasn't including cstore ships. And if you do include cstore ships there are flightdeck cruisers on the klingon side available at lower levels than any carrier available to the fed side. I am choosing not to argue cstore ships since they are not available freely to anyone who feels like playing the game and up untill level 40 both sides are prety even when it comes to free ship choices with the klingons gaining an extra class and the feds getting slightly more variety in their bo and console layout. If this ship were added with no available variations then the disparity would be only 2 more choices for the fed side over klingons. And in all honesty the bop being what it is could be counted as at least 3 variations on its own since it can mirrior any standard setup you want.
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True but don't forget that I wasn't including cstore ships. And if you do include cstore ships there are flightdeck cruisers on the klingon side available at lower levels than any carrier available to the fed side. I am choosing not to argue cstore ships since they are not available freely to anyone who feels like playing the game and up untill level 40 both sides are prety even when it comes to free ship choices with the klingons gaining an extra class and the feds getting slightly more variety in their bo and console layout. If this ship were added with no available variations then the disparity would be only 2 more choices for the fed side over klingons. And in all honesty the bop being what it is could be counted as at least 3 variations on its own since it can mirrior any standard setup you want.
OK, I get the no c-store ships thing.
Then its kind of obvious that at lower levels up until T5, the KDF only have Raiders/ Raptors / Battlecruisers.
The versatility of the Raiders is due to the fact that there is only one class of raptor, vs. four fed type escorts.
Also, at Beta and even till today, there was and is little choice (sorry "no choice") for KDF science-centric escorts, unlike the Feds. So yeah, the BOP is versatile, but it has given-up everything for it. Thats a defined fact.
If you are saying that the KDF get the extra ship, ie carrier free at T5, its the only free science ship at that level.
To balance that the Feds have more options across all classes. There is not a single build in any KDF ship, in my experience, that cannot be matched, if not improved on with Fed ships.
And unfortunately, with a bit of hard work and effort, EVERY single Fed will be getting access to the best fleet ships in the game. The balance of fleets ships is HEAVILY weighed in favour of the feds. To not included these in the argument, is like having a Porsche in the garage, while complaining to the neighbor, about your son's Ford.
I am very much in favor of you ideas bud, more choices and classes would be a welcome to the game.
But, as a loyal KDF player, and with hindsight, when I see the current state of the KDF ships, still being used as validation for MORE Federations ships over what scant resources we actually have KDF-side, I simple must draw a line in the sand, and say "no further."
I am very much in favor of you ideas bud, more choices and classes would be a welcome to the game.
But, as a loyal KDF player, and with hindsight, when I see the current state of the KDF ships, still being used as validation for MORE Federations ships over what scant resources we actually have KDF-side, I simple must draw a line in the sand, and say "no further."
Well up untill tier 4 the available choices are dead even at tier 5 is where variation kicks in.
At tier 5 there are 3 available classes and 2 variations per class available fed side so 6 options total. On the klingon side there are 4 available classes with only 2 cruiser variations available so 5 choices total. Again I am not counting cstore ships in this.
And btw if you count all the available ships is 38 fed to 32KDF but as far as rank by rank 6 of these you don't currently have a rank for. And if you did then there would probably be cstore ships for you to buy making it even.
While I posted a fed ship and not a klingon ship this was because I'm too lazy to make a duplicate post in the klingon ship section to simple add a variation to the raptor which would amount to perhaps a copy of the patroll escort layout.
And I'm not saying that the kdf shouldn't get a new free ship I just didnt think one up for them.
The lack of science vessels for the klingon side is directly related to the lack of raider class vessels on the fed side. This is mainly due to the unique outlook of the shipyard engineers.
The federation has no need of a pirate ship and the KDF had no interest in peaceful exploration. This is a fundamental difference I would like to keep.
And as for fleet ships These can also be counted as cstore ships since it at some point requires a cstore transaction. As far as I'm aware the retrofit ships aren't that much better than the tier 5 ships just different.
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Sorry what was I thinking. The Feds have clearly been wronged.
I can see why we should immediately give them more ships.
Firstly my math was wrong so read the edit please.
Secondly as I stated this is the Federation ship yard and it is for the posting and discussion of federation ships. If you have an idea for a ship or configuration for the klingon side then please post it in the klingon ship yard forum.
Firstly my math was wrong so read the edit please.
Secondly as I stated this is the Federation ship yard and it is for the posting and discussion of federation ships. If you have an idea for a ship or configuration for the klingon side then please post it in the klingon ship yard forum.
I do hope for more classes. I mean isn't that what we all want?
No hard feelings, and indeed.
Actualy looking at the ship chart the KDF has the bulk of its ships availablr at commander and captain levels this is odd. perhaps they should just moove these up to higher levels it would fill the gap at the general levels nicely. and when they add starter play then they will probably add the 6 lower level ships that are missing then at least the numbers will be even.
Although on the up side it means more of the KDF consoles are cheeper if thats all you wanted anyway.
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No hard feelings, and indeed.
Actualy looking at the ship chart the KDF has the bulk of its ships availablr at commander and captain levels this is odd. perhaps they should just moove these up to higher levels it would fill the gap at the general levels nicely. and when they add starter play then they will probably add the 6 lower level ships that are missing then at least the numbers will be even.
Although on the up side it means more of the KDF consoles are cheeper if thats all you wanted anyway.
That would be nice.
The KDF ship balance is a problem for me because Starfleet says but hey KDF you have more than enough ships compared to us, but they fail to consider that the ships below Commander Level no longer count. We do not play with any ships below that.
I mean ship classes and I mean the ships you are awarded upon hittind RA or BG
AT RA level you have 3 ship classes with 2 bo layouts each that if selected upon level up cost you nothing I am not counting any cstore or va ships in this.
At bg you have 4 ship classes not as many Bo layouts as fed but these really are mostly just a single console difference and a different ensign power. And technicaly with the neg'vhar and vor'cha being in the cruiser class there are 5 available choices so feds only lead by 1
I am also not suggesting the fed side get a ship type the kdf has they get a carrier and a raider and have exclusive access to ships with total universal layouts and a carrier class ship. Also this section of the forums is for discussion of federation ships so I didn't post anything related to klingon shipping. If you wish to discuss the disparity between fed and kling gameplay use the proper forum.
What I posted was somthing that isn't currently in this game with a layout that isn't seen on the fed side.
I did not mean NEW is the sense it hasnt been seen before i meant new in the sense that it isn't there right now so if it were added it would be new to this game and our choices.
Ah!!
Sorry, i get you now ^^' (also sorry if I seemed a bit rude )
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The KDF ship balance is a problem for me because Starfleet says but hey KDF you have more than enough ships compared to us, but they fail to consider that the ships below Commander Level no longer count. We do not play with any ships below that.
Well there are the same number of free ships below commander level just no cstore ships. at least there were. And really I didn't count the atarter ships but your only missing out on 3 ships to pilot at those levels anyway
Currently there are 23 cstore fed ships and only 19 kdf ships that means if you don't count the 6 pre commander fed ships there are only 17 commander and up fed ships but 19 commander and up kdf ships. So if you added full klingon play and added 3 cstore starter ships and 3 ltc ships the kdf would end up with more cstore ships versus free ships over the feds. Where as there are 14 free kdf ships and 15 free fed ships.
So to make the free side of things equal there neesd to be 2 variants added to existing KDF rosters and 1 Ra only class added to fed rosters. then maybe add 4 more va kdf cstore ships and 1 at BG then add 3 cstore starter ships with 3 cstore ltc ships.
On the fed side you simply need to add 3 commander and 3 captain level cstore ships.
If they did that then both sides would have acess to the same amount of variety at every level.
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I was sitting here and arguing with some one when i realised that klingons have acess to 4 free ship classes. And I started thinking what would a 4th fed ship class be?
This would be a ra ship like the vo'quv and would have to be different in some way from what already available.
So I was thinking what about a frigate classed vessel? My thinking was....
Commander sci
Ltc tactical
Lt tactical
Lt eng
Ensign eng
+10 power to engines
+10 power to aux
+5% defense rating
What do you think?
With those stats, you just turned it into an escort. A frigate is not known for being an overpowered ship. Frigates play more of a support role and are not highly tactical. The last thing we need is another escort like ship runing around blasting everything. This game is too secort geared as it is and doesn't follow canon ship roles.
Minus dual cannons minus high level tac powers no weapons power bonus a lower turn rate than any escort available.
I saw it more as a pickit interdiction vessel which is what most frigates do.
It don't have to have cannons to be an escort. The Prometheus don't come with cannons and many multi-vector ships don't come with cannons but in thes game they allow you to employ cannons on any escort. In canon Star Trek the Defiant Class is the only escort that has cannons, the Prometheus and others just have beams.
What makes the OP's setup tactically geared is the fact that he want Lt. Com, and Lt. Tac BOFFS slots. There are no cruisers or science ship tha have LT Com Tac BOFF slots. But Escorts get all of that and some.
The OP need something more unique that other shyp types don't have.
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I didn't think the class was new. ans as far as i know the new orleads will be a cstore ship.
I was talking about a dilithium ship.
Also there is only one other ship in this game with a similar boff setup and its klingon.
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I didn't say you said so.
I understand the latter and I have yet to see any definitive information about the former.
Do you have any hard information about it being a C-Store ship?
I'm not really sure what your point in this sentence is.
And which ship do you mean?
The carrier?
So far since season 3 I think every ship released had been either c store or lock box, infact some free ships were converted into cstore ships. (the excelsior and the nebula at commander level.)
The point of that sentance was that there is at least one fairly unique boff layout that doesent exist on the fed side so it would be new to the feds.
and yes I was refrencing the kar'fi.
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I think this is not a frigate. Its an escort with the boff layout of a recon science ship.
In other words, you're dreaming something this unbalanced will happen.
Federation free ship class? A NEW type of ship? Ok, how about this:
Class Name: Raijin Class
Ship Type: Corvette
A corvette is a hull class in-between runabouts and the smallest starships (Oberth/Defiant/Miranda).
Comissioned after the Dominion War, the corvette class hull concept was an attempt to provide the fleet with a small starship capable of independent long range missions which runabouts could not fulfill and which existing Frigate designs could not handle.
The Raijin class Corvette is a 3-deck vessel with a crew of 40. Its capabilities include combat, rescue, recon, special operations and fleet support (Tender).
Specifications:
Hull: 20,000
Weapons- 2 Fore / 2 Aft
Consoles- 3/3/3
18 degree turn rate
.2 impulse mod
1.10 shield mod
4 device slots
Lt Cmdr Universal
Lt Cmdr Engineer
Lt Cmdr Science
Lt Tactical
+5 power to all subsystems
Subsystem Targeting
Ability: Tender - This ability is the equivalent of hazard 1 + extend shields 1 to target friendly ship. When using ability ship must remain inside 5km range. Duration of ability matches that of extends shields 1.
Special 'Console' for this ship is a Device.
Aegis Drones : Launches 20 drones (10 per launch). Drones launched form a cloud around ship or target. These drones have innate Intercept order. Drones will fly to and collide with any incoming destroyable object (mines, fighters, heavy torpedoes) but not ships. Device has unlimited launch drones and a re-use timer of 1 minute. Can be equipped only on Corvette, Frigate, Shuttle or Runabout sized vessels.
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First if this is imbalanced the the kar'fi is wholley op.
Second what endgame use would your ship posess? why does the federation need more shuttle sized vessels?
My idea was a ship of the line not a personal watercraft.
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So those that mean KDF will get the same number ship as the Federation?
Because right know there way more Fed ships then KDF ship. Oh and there are ZERO KDF fleet ship that are offer at discount.
What about uniforms. Fed have million. KDF have hardly anything.
Then there levels
Fed have 1-50 with content
KDF 25-50 with hardly any content. Like one mission per level. But yeah lets give more thing to poor fed. Why should the KDF have anything the fed do have.
If you mean RA fed get 6choices,
If you mean ship classes, e.g. cruiser/science/escort or raider/raptor/battlecruiser/carrier i think KDF gets carrier in lieu of an actual science ship, as for the raiders, they are jack of all trades masters of none (minus alpha strikes)
(an I kinda want to echo they if feds get something does that mean the kdf get some of fed style?)
The federation and klingon shipyards should be different, you know, give people a reason to play both factions? the federation has plenty of choices, kdf has quite a few..
I mean ship classes and I mean the ships you are awarded upon hittind RA or BG
AT RA level you have 3 ship classes with 2 bo layouts each that if selected upon level up cost you nothing I am not counting any cstore or va ships in this.
At bg you have 4 ship classes not as many Bo layouts as fed but these really are mostly just a single console difference and a different ensign power. And technicaly with the neg'vhar and vor'cha being in the cruiser class there are 5 available choices so feds only lead by 1
I am also not suggesting the fed side get a ship type the kdf has they get a carrier and a raider and have exclusive access to ships with total universal layouts and a carrier class ship. Also this section of the forums is for discussion of federation ships so I didn't post anything related to klingon shipping. If you wish to discuss the disparity between fed and kling gameplay use the proper forum.
What I posted was somthing that isn't currently in this game with a layout that isn't seen on the fed side.
I did not mean NEW is the sense it hasnt been seen before i meant new in the sense that it isn't there right now so if it were added it would be new to this game and our choices.
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Congratulations. You have just made every other ship in the game pointless to fly.
This is the holy grail of bridge officer layouts and, barring a 4th tac console, the dogs nuts of console spread.
Everything about this ship screams perfection. Which is why we will never see it. PWE would lose tons in Z-store ships cos no one would fly anything else.
Want though.
What would actually be perfect is if you were given X number of universal skill slots limited in rank by your own so at T5 you could have say:
Tac: Lt. CMDR (3 slots)
Eng: CMDR (4 slots)
Eng: Lt. (2 slots)
Sci: Lt. (2 slots)
Uni: Ens (1 slot)
that would give me an awesome Excelsior, I don't use the ensign engineer anyway but that's an example of what I would do with 12 free slots to place and use as I see fit (alternatively I might just take Lt. CMDR science).
the thing being that while it would allow you to customise your BOFF layout it would be a 1 time thing, a "you've made you bed now lay in it, unless you have some money for us"
Again a very similar officer lay out does exist on the klingon side so how is it OP?
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According to STOWIKI, if thats any authority on the subject. Not sure:
Federation
cruisers/ escorts/ science vessels
FDF
raiders/ raptors/ battlecruisers/ warships
Sure on the surface it may seen that the KDF have an extra class.
But, Federation carriers have been added to Federation escort and science vessel categories, while KDF have them in warships.
It should be,
Federation
cruisers/ escorts/ science vessels/ carriers
FDF
raiders/ raptors/ battlecruisers/ warships
Now if you look again, you will see that the imbalance across most of these classes favors the Fed-ships...
The only class in which the KDF have a lead is carriers, because the very nature of the KDF cries assault and conquest.
True but don't forget that I wasn't including cstore ships. And if you do include cstore ships there are flightdeck cruisers on the klingon side available at lower levels than any carrier available to the fed side. I am choosing not to argue cstore ships since they are not available freely to anyone who feels like playing the game and up untill level 40 both sides are prety even when it comes to free ship choices with the klingons gaining an extra class and the feds getting slightly more variety in their bo and console layout. If this ship were added with no available variations then the disparity would be only 2 more choices for the fed side over klingons. And in all honesty the bop being what it is could be counted as at least 3 variations on its own since it can mirrior any standard setup you want.
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OK, I get the no c-store ships thing.
Then its kind of obvious that at lower levels up until T5, the KDF only have Raiders/ Raptors / Battlecruisers.
The versatility of the Raiders is due to the fact that there is only one class of raptor, vs. four fed type escorts.
Also, at Beta and even till today, there was and is little choice (sorry "no choice") for KDF science-centric escorts, unlike the Feds. So yeah, the BOP is versatile, but it has given-up everything for it. Thats a defined fact.
If you are saying that the KDF get the extra ship, ie carrier free at T5, its the only free science ship at that level.
To balance that the Feds have more options across all classes. There is not a single build in any KDF ship, in my experience, that cannot be matched, if not improved on with Fed ships.
And unfortunately, with a bit of hard work and effort, EVERY single Fed will be getting access to the best fleet ships in the game. The balance of fleets ships is HEAVILY weighed in favour of the feds. To not included these in the argument, is like having a Porsche in the garage, while complaining to the neighbor, about your son's Ford.
But, as a loyal KDF player, and with hindsight, when I see the current state of the KDF ships, still being used as validation for MORE Federations ships over what scant resources we actually have KDF-side, I simple must draw a line in the sand, and say "no further."
Well up untill tier 4 the available choices are dead even at tier 5 is where variation kicks in.
At tier 5 there are 3 available classes and 2 variations per class available fed side so 6 options total. On the klingon side there are 4 available classes with only 2 cruiser variations available so 5 choices total. Again I am not counting cstore ships in this.
And btw if you count all the available ships is 38 fed to 32KDF but as far as rank by rank 6 of these you don't currently have a rank for. And if you did then there would probably be cstore ships for you to buy making it even.
While I posted a fed ship and not a klingon ship this was because I'm too lazy to make a duplicate post in the klingon ship section to simple add a variation to the raptor which would amount to perhaps a copy of the patroll escort layout.
And I'm not saying that the kdf shouldn't get a new free ship I just didnt think one up for them.
The lack of science vessels for the klingon side is directly related to the lack of raider class vessels on the fed side. This is mainly due to the unique outlook of the shipyard engineers.
The federation has no need of a pirate ship and the KDF had no interest in peaceful exploration. This is a fundamental difference I would like to keep.
And as for fleet ships These can also be counted as cstore ships since it at some point requires a cstore transaction. As far as I'm aware the retrofit ships aren't that much better than the tier 5 ships just different.
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Firstly my math was wrong so read the edit please.
Secondly as I stated this is the Federation ship yard and it is for the posting and discussion of federation ships. If you have an idea for a ship or configuration for the klingon side then please post it in the klingon ship yard forum.
Also some sources
Fed ship char thttp://http://spidermitch1.com/sto/fed/SpidermitchFEDShipChart.jpg
Klingon ship chart http://http://spidermitch1.com/sto/kdf/SpidermitchKDFShipChart.jpg
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Actually you know what. I'm sorry.
I'm being an @#$.
I do hope for more classes. I mean isn't that what we all want?
No hard feelings, and indeed.
Actualy looking at the ship chart the KDF has the bulk of its ships availablr at commander and captain levels this is odd. perhaps they should just moove these up to higher levels it would fill the gap at the general levels nicely. and when they add starter play then they will probably add the 6 lower level ships that are missing then at least the numbers will be even.
Although on the up side it means more of the KDF consoles are cheeper if thats all you wanted anyway.
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That would be nice.
The KDF ship balance is a problem for me because Starfleet says but hey KDF you have more than enough ships compared to us, but they fail to consider that the ships below Commander Level no longer count. We do not play with any ships below that.
Ah!!
Sorry, i get you now ^^' (also sorry if I seemed a bit rude
Well there are the same number of free ships below commander level just no cstore ships. at least there were. And really I didn't count the atarter ships but your only missing out on 3 ships to pilot at those levels anyway
Currently there are 23 cstore fed ships and only 19 kdf ships that means if you don't count the 6 pre commander fed ships there are only 17 commander and up fed ships but 19 commander and up kdf ships. So if you added full klingon play and added 3 cstore starter ships and 3 ltc ships the kdf would end up with more cstore ships versus free ships over the feds. Where as there are 14 free kdf ships and 15 free fed ships.
So to make the free side of things equal there neesd to be 2 variants added to existing KDF rosters and 1 Ra only class added to fed rosters. then maybe add 4 more va kdf cstore ships and 1 at BG then add 3 cstore starter ships with 3 cstore ltc ships.
On the fed side you simply need to add 3 commander and 3 captain level cstore ships.
If they did that then both sides would have acess to the same amount of variety at every level.
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With those stats, you just turned it into an escort. A frigate is not known for being an overpowered ship. Frigates play more of a support role and are not highly tactical. The last thing we need is another escort like ship runing around blasting everything. This game is too secort geared as it is and doesn't follow canon ship roles.
Minus dual cannons minus high level tac powers no weapons power bonus a lower turn rate than any escort available.
I saw it more as a pickit interdiction vessel which is what most frigates do.
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It don't have to have cannons to be an escort. The Prometheus don't come with cannons and many multi-vector ships don't come with cannons but in thes game they allow you to employ cannons on any escort. In canon Star Trek the Defiant Class is the only escort that has cannons, the Prometheus and others just have beams.
What makes the OP's setup tactically geared is the fact that he want Lt. Com, and Lt. Tac BOFFS slots. There are no cruisers or science ship tha have LT Com Tac BOFF slots. But Escorts get all of that and some.
The OP need something more unique that other shyp types don't have.
Except the Odyssey, Excelsior, Assault Cruiser Refit and Fleet Nova.
4 there. Sure i'm missing one or two.