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bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Klingon Discussion
What costume choices are missing for the KDF?

What bundles would you like to see in the Zstore?

Why do we still not have longcoats?

Why are our melee weapon choices so limited?

Why are the inner racial cross-over costume choices so limited for the KDF?

What? A KDF warrior can't dress casual?
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I'd like to see the bought species (Trill and Ferasans) and Aliens to be able to use the costume choices from all species.

    I'd like to see some skirts for the females of all species (which there isn't many of). I'd like to see a free uniform for reaching Lieutenant General like the Fleeters have, as well as one for reaching Rank 4 in Maraudering.

    A TOS bundle is rather sort after, I'd like to see the rest of the canon Klingon costumes added. Also a bundle of just random pieces would be nice, like belts, shirts, armour etc.

    Melee weapon props for uniforms, like having a knife attached to a belt etc. I's also like to see more Melee Klingon weapons added, but that doesn't come under costumes.

    I'd like to see a Cardassian uniform for the KDF added, there are a lot of Cardassian's running around and it would fit in better with the KDF than the Federation. Perhaps as an off-duty uniform that Boff's can also wear.

    More uniform options for all species, perhaps make them all cross species to give us more variety. Yeah Naucassian armour might look funny on a Klingon but who cares, options and choices are a good thing for all of us including Cryptic.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I would like to see more costumes brought into game from the movies and TV shows.
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  • ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The sleeveless vest option is missing from the Joined Trill and Liberated Borg Klingon, you also can not remove the Nausicaans collar.

    Female toons need a tall boot option like the males, the only boots they have are big bulky types.

    There is no reason why the KDF have race specific uniforms.

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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    What costume choices are missing for the KDF?

    For starters, the Guards at First City and the Klingon academy wear (Fed off-duty) robe tops that I would LOVE to see enabled in game - heck, even a lvl 20 mission to unlock them by becoming an honorary Guard would be fun and fine. These should be added to the base uniforms, so we can use them in the same way the Guards do, mixed with uniform boots, sash, shoulders, etc.


    What bundles would you like to see in the Zstore?
    For starters, I would NOT like to see separate bundles. I think it would be far more beneficial to the game as a whole to mix our costumes in with the existing Fed bundles in the long run. This would both make it more difficult to pick apart what sells better between the factions (thus removing an excuse for not developing it), and could draw more people out of Fed-only play as they see they have access to things (KDF options) they are not using (by not playing KDF). Plus, it explains why some costumes with a slew of options (Jupiter) are the same price as costumes with TWO or THREE items in it! Add KDF items to these overpriced 2-3 item costume bundles!

    That said, the first thing that comes to mind is full-on TOS KDF options - ridgeless, yellow skinned, TOS-era Klingon as a drop down option from the top (where Uniform/Honor Guard is found). Alternately, a separate TOS-era Klingon race would likely be popular. Add whichever of these works to the EXISTING TOS package(s) - wouldn't mind a TOS-era D-7 interior too...


    Why do we still not have longcoats?
    There are a slew of costumes we don't have access to, but several of them are from the "old" pre-beta character creation tools they used in-house and probably wont hook up to our existing models. (like the sleeveless greatcoat). Take a close look at some of the KDF NPCs and you'll notice they look more like they were created using a slightly different "alien" race option than the one we have - those, including the Greatcoat-wearing ones, are the old alpha dev npc creator based NPCs. That said? I really want this too, and we've been demanding it since Beta!

    Why are our melee weapon choices so limited?
    Especially since there are more melee options available to NPCs than we have! Plus, wouldn't it be nice if Martial Arts was more developed - something Kirk himself and Spock used far more regularly than weapon melee? I still think there should be equipable Martial Arts Melee "weapons" that change the style and effectiveness of one's unarmed abilities...


    Why are the inner racial cross-over costume choices so limited for the KDF?
    Inter-racial? With you on this. I understand the "purist" reasons for it, but frankly, by limiting this you are seriously limiting the impact of anything you design. That said, at the very least, should not all costume elements be available to Alien race characters and BOffs???

    What? A KDF warrior can't dress casual?
    Warf does... again, re-using the Fed off-duty robes to do it, but clearly mixed in with armor parts... so no, I'd prefer *not* to see us have a separate off-duty uniform, so we can mix and match from both (see the guard uniforms above), but at the same time, lets at least get all the robes over here! :D
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Ah, here's something I failed to mention: The 2009 Star Trek deleted scene Rura Penthe guard helmets and greatcoats! After all, it is unlikely Nero had done much damage to the timeline at that point, style is not something so quickly swung about. And frankly, there's not a lot of material out there for redside to draw from!

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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    jnohd wrote: »
    Ah, here's something I failed to mention: The 2009 Star Trek deleted scene Rura Penthe guard helmets and greatcoats! After all, it is unlikely Nero had done much damage to the timeline at that point, style is not something so quickly swung about. And frankly, there's not a lot of material out there for redside to draw from!

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Klingons_yell_for_Nero.jpg

    No matter how much damage Nero did or did not, Cryptic is not permitted to use material exclusive to the 2009 movie since it does not hold a license for it.
  • ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    misterde3 wrote: »
    No matter how much damage Nero did or did not, Cryptic is not permitted to use material exclusive to the 2009 movie since it does not hold a license for it.

    This is not true, otherwise we wouldn't have red matter.

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  • zordar01zordar01 Member Posts: 318
    edited September 2012
    The only thing I can add to the already great suggestions are Orion loincloths that don't act like the wearer is superhumanly gassy, along with a bikini-only option.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ussboleyn wrote: »
    This is not true, otherwise we wouldn't have red matter.

    This is true. Perhaps they only have a partial license of some sort, or misterde3 is simply mistaken.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I just created a Lethean character 1-2 days ago, and I noticed there are no exclusively Lethean costume options to speak of, aside from the facial spikes (which we can't rearrange the positions of to any great extent). If Cryptic were considering adding costuming options for the KDF, they might wanna consider tossing in something for the Letheans, just for the sake of completeness. Every other KDF subject race (Naussicaan, Gorn, Orion) has at least limited options for race-specific costuming.

    It's a thought.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I just created a Lethean character 1-2 days ago, and I noticed there are no exclusively Lethean costume options to speak of, aside from the facial spikes (which we can't rearrange the positions of to any great extent). If Cryptic were considering adding costuming options for the KDF, they might wanna consider tossing in something for the Letheans, just for the sake of completeness. Every other KDF subject race (Naussicaan, Gorn, Orion) has at least limited options for race-specific costuming.

    It's a thought.

    My first character is a Lethean and I am disappointed as well. The coats/robes from the Doomsday mission would be a nice addition.
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  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    First, I want to thank you for your efforts to create some positive feedback from us KDF players. I hope this is the way forward, because I'm tired of all those whine threads.

    -longcoats. As captain of a Klingon warship I really miss the coat and the authority it symbolises.

    -D'k tahg. Every warrior needs one. Without it, he is naked.

    -Lethean cloth options. They don't exist for some reason !? Guess same applies to Ferasans. Tough I'm not that much into this kitty TRIBBLE for chicks and Asians.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    aurigas7 wrote: »
    First, I want to thank you for your efforts to create some positive feedback from us KDF players. I hope this is the way forward, because I'm tired of all those whine threads.

    -longcoats. As captain of a Klingon warship I really miss the coat and the authority it symbolises.

    -D'k tahg. Every warrior needs one. Without it, he is naked.

    -Lethean cloth options. They don't exist for some reason !? Guess same applies to Ferasans. Tough I'm not that much into this kitty TRIBBLE for chicks and Asians.

    Well, to be fair. . .I think there's only one instance of where we see a Lethean to any great extent, and that's in a DS9 episode. My memory's fuzzy, but I don't think he was wearing anything special or distinctive. So, it might be that the devs don't really know where to start when it comes to the Letheans. There's no canon really describing what their culture is actually like, and the only role they had in the STO universe was 'telepathic assassins'.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    misterde3 wrote: »
    No matter how much damage Nero did or did not, Cryptic is not permitted to use material exclusive to the 2009 movie since it does not hold a license for it.

    I often forget there is a line between what Paramount and CBS own, and what STO can use as a result. That said, there are Red Matter Capacitors in this game, but it is entirely possible Red Matter was mentioned in some other source material and therefore not exclusively a Paramount idea. Either way, aren't both CBS and Paramount still owned by National Amusements? So isn't just a matter of some paperwork? The whole "who owns what" thing is a bit fuzzy to me.

    I still want them. Those coats alone are simply awesome. :D



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    Paramount Pictures produced Star Trek under license from CBS Paramount Television.
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_corporate_history
    (emphasis mine)

    This suggests that ultimately, CBS owns Star Trek (2009), and should mean Cryptic has access to that material... maybe?
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  • lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Many good observations here that I agree with but one thing that has always been lacking for those of us who like the TOS Klingon IKS Navy look... is the loose fitting, metallic looking pants with the knee high leather boots. The closest we can come to that, now, is the form fitting stipple patterned pants. I want THIS look:

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I think at next years Vegas con there should be a Blood Wine drinking contest using the variuos mixed drink recipes invented by the fanbase ( I would post some but such may be against forum rules) as the source. Have rewards, including a cab, for the last man stnding.
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  • ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    lomax6996 wrote: »
    Many good observations here that I agree with but one thing that has always been lacking for those of us who like the TOS Klingon IKS Navy look... is the loose fitting, metallic looking pants with the knee high leather boots. The closest we can come to that, now, is the form fitting stipple patterned pants. I want THIS look:

    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/factfiles/klingon-23rd.jpg

    I too really like the TOS Klingons and i'm looking forward to getting the Fleet D7.

    http://www.stowiki.org/File:Klingon_TOS.png

    This is the best TOS uniform I've found, I use this on my BOFFs with the season 1 Worf sash on my character.

    It's a shame you have to use the alien generator to make a TOS Klingon but at least ya get better traits lol.

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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Actually I'd like to see "less AMAZING" costumes for the KDF... seems like cryptic wants each costume piece to be more impressive than the last, but sometimes less is better.

    For The Cryptic-Store, I'd like to see sleeker, less itemized items.

    For non C-Store items, I'd like to see the same... In fact I'd prefer if nothing was put in the C-Store at all.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Robes would be nice. Different shoulder pads would be nice too. Or allow them to be cross species. I can see my Klingon running around with spikes on his shoulders. The skirt for the women like the Duras sisters wore. More boot options, specially on the women. Cape/cloak maybe. I can see that being some use for a different look. More klingon bladed type weapons would be nice too. They have several they hadn't made yet.
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  • terlokiterloki Member Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Really all I want is a cloak/robe/coat/whatever like what Kruge wore. The NPCs have something like that already, why can't we?
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ussboleyn wrote: »
    This is not true, otherwise we wouldn't have red matter.
    This is true. Perhaps they only have a partial license of some sort, or misterde3 is simply mistaken.

    We have "red matter" because it was not only in the movie, but also in the "Countdown" comics which are part of the Star Trek online background story.
    Unfortunately the Klingons from the cut Rura Penthe scene are not in the "Countdown" comics, just like the JJPrise, which Dstahl already explicitly stated can't be used due to the license.

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  • khurgakhurga Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The long skirts many female Klingons wore.

    An expanded color palette, with colors that actually look like colors, unlike the greens, yellows, etc. we have to work with now, which look like mud.

    More hair options for Klingons - looking through the moveis and TV shows, their hair rarely looks like dreadlocks.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I could definately support more hair options.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    As can I especially for the Klingon and Naucassian species who have so few hair options compared to female Orions and Aliens.

    Gorn and Lethean's don't have hair so they are content. :P
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I could definately support more hair options.

    Just glance at his avatar. ;)

    But yes ... We need more hair options, but especially for Klingons as our choices are ridiculous.

    I know players that use "alien" to create their Klingons just so they have more hair options.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    As can I especially for the Klingon and Naucassian species who have so few hair options compared to female Orions and Aliens.

    Gorn and Lethean's don't have hair so they are content. :P

    For the Gorn they could try Crests?
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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    A necklace of Romulan ears.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Allow us to cross the bits of different species like the foundry Gorn use an Orion shoulder pad and the Fed Mercenary uniform pieces. If they opened up the latter to the KDF I would buy it just for my KDF characters, as long as it wasn't thrown into the off-duty apartment and allowed us to kitbash it with currently available uniform options.
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  • ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I'd be happy with some normal looking female boots, maybe by buying the TOS packs it unlocks those boots for the KDF like it does with the earrings.

    I don't understand why the sleeveless tight shirt isn't an option for joined trill and liberated borg Klingons.

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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ussboleyn wrote: »
    I'd be happy with some normal looking female boots, maybe by buying the TOS packs it unlocks those boots for the KDF like it does with the earrings.

    I don't understand why the sleeveless tight shirt isn't an option for joined trill and liberated borg Klingons.

    I'd be up for that.

    I agree, I had to make a normal Klingon to use the attire, but then again normal Klingons have better traits anyway. :P
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