THIS thread is for all the other threads I keep seeing for the dreadnought. Too all the new players who saw the big awesome dreadnought and thought "I WIN BUTTON WITH CLOAK AND MASSIVE LAZORS" ,grow up. Seriously.
The ship is not underpowered. This has been prooven time and again by videos and real world demonstration of firepower. I have no issues in PvP or PvE with this starship. Simply because it won't pop every ship on sight is not because of the ships lack of abilities, it's because of the pilots lack of skills. Dying alot? Then ask for some help, don't blame your incompetence on the ship or the devs. They made a fantastic cloaking warship (something the feds shouldn't have anyways). The ship isn't made to make it's preasence known by tanking a ton of damage, nor is it for debuffs. It is basically a massive cloaking escort.
In short: it is fine the way it is.
Now that thats out of the way, let us use this forum for what it's for. Anyone who's actually having issues with their ship, and know it's cause they are doing something wrong, and are willing to learn, please post so. No ones going to laugh at you. However, if you're going to post that I'm wrong, you will probably be laughed at. Even if the ship is underpowered, it's not likely to change, so get over it.
I AM THE HARBINGER OF HOPE!
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
Less commentary, more question by someone who doesn't own one but digs the style of it if not the day-to-day practicality. How much punch can you get out of the lance base, if you aren't a tac throwing all kinds of buffs on it?
They made a fantastic warship (something the feds shouldn't have anyways) in the form of what is basically a Bortasq.
As I said before, everything about the way the dread handles feels like a Bortasqu:
Turn rate? Check
Cloak? check (Although Bortasqu's is free)
Special cool frontal weapon? Check (Although Bortasqu's can be removed for another free slot)
But,thats where it ends. The dread can be used VERY effictively, no doubt. But It's no Bortasqu by any means.
4-5 Tac Consoles vs 3
10 Console slots vs 9 (If you mount the Cloak, make it 10 vs 8)
Universal Boff slots vs set in stone slots.
With Damage Control Engineers you can even tank in a Bortasqu just as well as a Dread, Yet use the LTC Boff slot for Tac Slots. HUGE difference.
I woulda stayed out of this discussion until I read your above line. Apples and Oranges.
Reginamala78, It takes my Tac officer in a Dread, with buffs running, to get the same damage out of the Dread I get outta the Bortasqu as an Engineer with NO Buff's running. I'm REALLY tempted to finallylevel a Tac Klink to see what it can do with Tac buffs.
Reginamala78, It takes my Tac officer in a Dread, with buffs running, to get the same damage out of the Dread I get outta the Bortasqu as an Engineer with NO Buff's running. I'm REALLY tempted to finallylevel a Tac Klink to see what it can do with Tac buffs.
Right but how much is that either way? Like I said I dig the style, but if the Lance is only useful with a tac, then otherwise its a slower Soverign with a cloak and a much higher price tag.
I'm REALLY tempted to finallylevel a Tac Klink to see what it can do with Tac buffs.
I actually have a tactical Klingon in the tactical Bortasqu, and it can be MEAN, easily pushing out almost as much damage as any other tactical in something like a Garumba. Now that is with single cannons and turrets of course, which can be a very mean combo still. I really don't recommend DCs, DHCs, or QCs on it.
Honestly, with all the tactical buffs running (including a very big Go Down Fighting), I can get easily 7,000 damage a shot from the Autocannon if I'm lucky at the timing. Toss on debuffs from others, and even the biggest, baddest Borg non-Tac Cube will die very, very quickly.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Have used the Gal-X as an Engineering captain and honestly feel the lance is underwhelming w/o all the tac buffs. I still enjoy flying this ship as it can be quite a capable tank in the right hands and with the right powers to help turn rate, you can get some sweet dps out of it with the DHCs and turrets.
Less commentary, more question by someone who doesn't own one but digs the style of it if not the day-to-day practicality. How much punch can you get out of the lance base, if you aren't a tac throwing all kinds of buffs on it?
Quite a lot, base volley for each shot is about 7-8k AT LEAST, and it fires twice. I easily get 17k out of it with my tactical pilot, per shot. More if it criticals.
I AM THE HARBINGER OF HOPE!
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
As I said before, everything about the way the dread handles feels like a Bortasqu:
Turn rate? Check
Cloak? check (Although Bortasqu's is free)
Special cool frontal weapon? Check (Although Bortasqu's can be removed for another free slot)
But,thats where it ends. The dread can be used VERY effictively, no doubt. But It's no Bortasqu by any means.
4-5 Tac Consoles vs 3
10 Console slots vs 9 (If you mount the Cloak, make it 10 vs 8)
Universal Boff slots vs set in stone slots.
With Damage Control Engineers you can even tank in a Bortasqu just as well as a Dread, Yet use the LTC Boff slot for Tac Slots. HUGE difference.
I woulda stayed out of this discussion until I read your above line. Apples and Oranges.
Reginamala78, It takes my Tac officer in a Dread, with buffs running, to get the same damage out of the Dread I get outta the Bortasqu as an Engineer with NO Buff's running. I'm REALLY tempted to finallylevel a Tac Klink to see what it can do with Tac buffs.
Hmmm, I suppose. Don't forget the Bortasq is meant as a counter to the oddyssey, and as such, is a lot more powerful. I see what you mean though, I'll fix that.
I AM THE HARBINGER OF HOPE!
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
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As I said before, everything about the way the dread handles feels like a Bortasqu:
Turn rate? Check
Cloak? check (Although Bortasqu's is free)
Special cool frontal weapon? Check (Although Bortasqu's can be removed for another free slot)
But,thats where it ends. The dread can be used VERY effictively, no doubt. But It's no Bortasqu by any means.
4-5 Tac Consoles vs 3
10 Console slots vs 9 (If you mount the Cloak, make it 10 vs 8)
Universal Boff slots vs set in stone slots.
With Damage Control Engineers you can even tank in a Bortasqu just as well as a Dread, Yet use the LTC Boff slot for Tac Slots. HUGE difference.
I woulda stayed out of this discussion until I read your above line. Apples and Oranges.
Reginamala78, It takes my Tac officer in a Dread, with buffs running, to get the same damage out of the Dread I get outta the Bortasqu as an Engineer with NO Buff's running. I'm REALLY tempted to finallylevel a Tac Klink to see what it can do with Tac buffs.
Right but how much is that either way? Like I said I dig the style, but if the Lance is only useful with a tac, then otherwise its a slower Soverign with a cloak and a much higher price tag.
I actually have a tactical Klingon in the tactical Bortasqu, and it can be MEAN, easily pushing out almost as much damage as any other tactical in something like a Garumba. Now that is with single cannons and turrets of course, which can be a very mean combo still. I really don't recommend DCs, DHCs, or QCs on it.
Honestly, with all the tactical buffs running (including a very big Go Down Fighting), I can get easily 7,000 damage a shot from the Autocannon if I'm lucky at the timing. Toss on debuffs from others, and even the biggest, baddest Borg non-Tac Cube will die very, very quickly.
Quite a lot, base volley for each shot is about 7-8k AT LEAST, and it fires twice. I easily get 17k out of it with my tactical pilot, per shot. More if it criticals.
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
Hmmm, I suppose. Don't forget the Bortasq is meant as a counter to the oddyssey, and as such, is a lot more powerful. I see what you mean though, I'll fix that.
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!