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Will there be a non-Ody cruiser with Lt. Cdmr sci?

mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Federation Discussion
Really, the title kinda says it all. Do you all think we'll have, on the Fed-side, a cruiser type-ship that has a Lt. Cmdr Science, lockbox ships not counting?

This isn't me whining about not having it, or anything else, but really an honest question. I KNOW we have the Odyssey, I know we can use it for a sci-heavy build. I'm not asking for an 'ultimate' cruiser or anything, just...a further science heavy one, as an alternative to the massive Odyssey.

All I am curious about is, will there be a ship like that eventually? Something like this would suit me just fine:

Cmdr Engineering
Lt. Cmdr Sci
Lt. Engineering
Lt. Tac
Ensign anything (I don't really care what it is, sci, tac, engineer, or universal)

Along with pretty much your standard tier 5 cruiser stats. 39k hull, slow turn rate, good enough shields, plenty of crew, etc.

I generally like having more specialized ships honestly. Versatility is all well and good, but if I see a universal slot, I know pretty much what I'll use it for: Cover a ship's weakness to a degree.


Plus, there are Escorts and sci ships who both each have Lt. Cmdr abilities in a different area, along with 'pure' builds of their own class. Not counting Lockbox ships of course.

Here's a quick breakdown of them.

For sci-vessels:

Pure science: LSSV-R
Tactical heavy: Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit (but not the normal retrofit)
Engineering heavy: Atrox, D'Kyr, Nebula-R, Research Sci-vessel retrofit (and all fleet versions there of)

For escorts:

Pure Tactical: Defiant-R (and fleet version). Aquarius Escort (and fleet version) could also fit in this category as well.
Science heavy: Multi-vector, and fleet Advanced Escort.
Engineering heavy: Heavy Escort Carrier (and fleet version)

For cruisers:

Pure engineering: Exploration Cruiser Retrofit (and fleet version)
Tactical heavy: Excelsior-R, Sovy-R
Science heavy: The closest currently outside of the Odyssey is the normal Star Cruiser (and fleet version).

So, there we are, every ship class with the one exception, has a variation, at least one, which does indeed allow you to usually have the Lt. Cmdr of your choosing on it.

Again, I'm not trying to whine about wanting a new science heavy cruiser or anything now that the Sovy-R is out, I'm just bringing out that; I don't think everyone would want to be forced to fly an Odyssey just to have a Lt. Cmdr sci on a cruiser. I know people do, and want to, but at least this ship would give you a choice.

Heck, if they just changed the Fleet Star Cruiser to have the BOFF layout as above, and I'd be perfectly happy with just that.

In closing, again, this isn't begging and whining for a new ship, more along the lines of...what if we were. So, what do you all think if this were to happen?

Please don't tell me to just 'fly and Odyssey', because if I did and stuck with it, would I have made this thread?

TL;DR

1. Basically, there's no cruiser with a Lt. Cmdr Sci, excluding the Odyssey.
2. I point out all the ships that do have a Lt. Cmdr in other areas on all ships except for a sci-Lt. Cmdr on a cruiser.
3. I'm curious what you think, especially if it was viable.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=358071

    But the closest we'll probably see'll be a Com Sci/Lt. Com. Eng Vesta.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You can play Nebula as cruiser..sort of.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Well, I hope there will be some day.
    I'd wager the Ambassador will get such a setup...assuming she ever makes it into the game.
    She's also the only ship I'd be willing to give up my Star Cruiser for.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Well, I hope there will be some day.
    I'd wager the Ambassador will get such a setup...assuming she ever makes it into the game.
    She's also the only ship I'd be willing to give up my Star Cruiser for.

    If that were to happen...

    SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! :D
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I want that to be the motha frackin Ambassador. An answer to the Excelsior.

    CM ENG
    LT CM SCI
    LT ENG
    LT TAC
    ENS TAC

    How ballin would that be. Its a pure answer to the Excelsior for the ship that came after it. I believe it deserves it.

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I want that to be the motha frackin Ambassador. An answer to the Excelsior.

    CM ENG
    LT CM SCI
    LT ENG
    LT TAC
    ENS TAC

    How ballin would that be. Its a pure answer to the Excelsior for the ship that came after it. I believe it deserves it.

    That would be an amazing set-up! I already have a build in mind for that:

    Cm engineer: E-power to shields 1, RSP 1, aux to structural 2 or aux to dampeners 2, EJP 3 or aux to structural 3.
    Lt engineer: E-power to shields 1, and any Lt. ability, dunno which yet.
    Lt Tac: Tactical team 1, and then probably something like a torp spread 2, or something along those lines.
    Ensign tac: Tactical team or a FAW 1.
    Lt. Cmdr sci: Here's where the fun would begin...

    Polarize hull 1 if dealing with any tractor beaming ships, then in the Lt. Cmdr spot, would be a big heal, most preferably TSS 3 if I could squeeze it, but otherwise, HE 3 most likely (with a sci team 3 as a seperate BOFF choice). In the Lt area, would be the opposite of the Lt cmdr spot, if a shield heal, this would be a hull, if a hull, than a shield heal, probably TSS 2 if that is the case.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    I like the idea and I think we need one. Some of the Sci. skills are better than extra Eng. ones.

    Also mimey2, the Atrox is not really a Sci. ship. It is really in its own class. It has extra abilities than the other Sci. ships and it is also missing some stuff that all Sci. ships have.

    All 4 carriers are in their own group.

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    kylesal24 wrote: »
    Also mimey2, the Atrox is not really a Sci. ship. It is really in its own class. It has extra abilities than the other Sci. ships and it is also missing some stuff that all Sci. ships have.

    All 4 carriers are in their own group.

    Kyle

    True, true, but I figured I would include them, because I'd probably get a griping at for not including them if I hadn't.

    Still, the Atrox isn't a sci ship, I won't deny, but it is more leaning to sci-heavy stuff of course.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • chookinchookin Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    http://www.stowiki.org/Fleet_Corsair_Flight_Deck_Cruiser_Retrofit

    Though kdf, it sounds similar to what you're after, and a hangar slot too.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I say it again, nebula with engineering station in the universal.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    I say it again, nebula with engineering station in the universal.

    cruiser...*scratches head*...nebula...?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Depends what you see under cruiser. If you are just after the tooltip name...Nebula has lots of hps, turns poorly and can tank probably better than any of regular cruisers. You can have 5 engineering stations and 5 science ones.
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Depends what you see under cruiser. If you are just after the tooltip name...Nebula has lots of hps, turns poorly and can tank probably better than any of regular cruisers. You can have 5 engineering stations and 5 science ones.
    I think part of whats we expect from Cruiser is 8 weapon slots rather then 6. :)
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    6 weapon slots + sensor analysis = more power effective 8 slots... pure math
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    6 weapon slots + sensor analysis = more power effective 8 slots... pure math
    As most, non-PvP, things tend to die in less then 30 seconds science ships seldom get full stacking from their SA.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Well I wont argue with that one. But still the difference is small. There is already the Odyssey, so it's not likely you will find better sci cruiser.
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
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