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How NOOBS and new Bots ruin the game
sixoffortynine
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First I have to say, that I play STO since the open beta. I have a Lifetime subscription and play in a fleet.
I never had a problem with new players. I would call those players "newbies". They are new to the game, but they are willing to listen and learn from old veteran players.
Since the change to F2P STO got a new kind of players, the NOOBS. The NOOBS are players, who ruin the gameplay, either but not listen to the advices of veteran players or by acting like "I am Mr. Superheroe. No one can beat me. Oh help help I died!!!"
Those players have ruined the fun. It is near impossible to play an STF with a random group since STO got F2P. Either you have one NOOB in your team who risks every players life or a veteran who leaves the game when a noob ruined the optional. In both ways it makes no longer fun to play STF missions.
Today I saw another problem: BOTs. I played the mission "Colony Invasion" fivetimes. I saw the Player "Pille" fourtimes. He must be some kind of Bot. He just stayed at the beginning point, did not interact. So without his help our now four player team failed to get most of the optionals.
So dear cryptic team:
PLEASE do something. I know you need the F2P players, but you also need old veterans like myself, players who support the game from the beginning. I know that I am not alone with this. MANY players are angry about the new NOOB problem.
Is it possible to create to diifferent server or instances? Or to block some missions until the player got lets say 5000 accolade points? Or block the elite missions until a player got an accolade like "the medal of honor" or "silverstar" to show other temmates "Hi I know the mechanics of the game!?
I never had a problem with new players. I would call those players "newbies". They are new to the game, but they are willing to listen and learn from old veteran players.
Since the change to F2P STO got a new kind of players, the NOOBS. The NOOBS are players, who ruin the gameplay, either but not listen to the advices of veteran players or by acting like "I am Mr. Superheroe. No one can beat me. Oh help help I died!!!"
Those players have ruined the fun. It is near impossible to play an STF with a random group since STO got F2P. Either you have one NOOB in your team who risks every players life or a veteran who leaves the game when a noob ruined the optional. In both ways it makes no longer fun to play STF missions.
Today I saw another problem: BOTs. I played the mission "Colony Invasion" fivetimes. I saw the Player "Pille" fourtimes. He must be some kind of Bot. He just stayed at the beginning point, did not interact. So without his help our now four player team failed to get most of the optionals.
So dear cryptic team:
PLEASE do something. I know you need the F2P players, but you also need old veterans like myself, players who support the game from the beginning. I know that I am not alone with this. MANY players are angry about the new NOOB problem.
Is it possible to create to diifferent server or instances? Or to block some missions until the player got lets say 5000 accolade points? Or block the elite missions until a player got an accolade like "the medal of honor" or "silverstar" to show other temmates "Hi I know the mechanics of the game!?
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Seen 700 day Vets with stacks of injuries in STFs going off like fireworks every time a Borg ship gets near them.
Best solution to rubbish team-mates is not to PuG. Use your fleet, use your friends list, use an STF channel. Otherwise you have no control over the experience, ability or language of your team-mates.
And I'm certainly not a fan of gating missions. Accolade points, completed STFs etc. etc. is a measure of progression and time in the game. It is not a measure of ability to play, so I don't think it's an effective solution. Off the top of my head, I think I have 5000 Accolade Points on one of my five characters. Why should I have to grind up to 5k on the other four to play STFs on them?
As for AFKers, report them to support. I dunno if Cryptic do anything about them or not, but they should be doing something about them.
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@ren_larreck
Your idea works both ways, there are people like me and skhc who are now not able to play elite STFs, but we are both vets are it. Do you want to all those vets? Do you want to make a lot of the people who do those grind for something else? Look, I have seen 2 people above 5000 points in all my play. 1 was a point grinder, she had over 10000 points. The other was on his way to 10000.
Kyle
^^This
The endless complaints about how bad queued instances are can be easily remedied by making premades as the above states. If fleets and friends aren't available to you, then join one and network.
Will say it again
ELITE STF should be premade teams ONLY
As to AFK players Report the hell out of them
but no one should call ANYONE a NOOB
something i actually support 100% they used to be like that...should be brought back as the real elite version (maybe shorter, 2 hours for KA was too much)...call those elites that exist now advanced.
Negative, some of the most fun STF's I've played were PUG's with green players. Just means we gotta work a bit harder to beat the mission.
It's happened to all of us at one time or another, but in less time it took to write the OP we can get over it. Just step back for a few minutes, remember this is just a GAME.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
More fails for you then - you need people dedicated to healing: there is no way to penalise those who have no activity without penalising people for playing in a team with assigned roles
The main issue I see with doing this is a combination of cost and size of playerbase. I don't know how many people play STO, but I'm pretty sure it's low compared to the big-name MMOs. Having separate dedicated servers would also cost more money.
I don't know. . .what do others think?
I know lots of games successfully use different servers / gameworlds, but I don't like it since it opens up the possibility of some servers becoming 'ghost towns'. Apart from after major content releases, STO's generally never struck me as a game in need of server seperation for performance purposes.
As for it seperating out quality players from n00bs, trolls and griefers, unless there's an immense amount of co-ordination between good players/fleets (and "good" is a highly a subjective term in this game), which let's face it, there won't be, that probably won't happen. You'll still be just as likely to run into an idiot by PuGging. You'll just have to wait longer for the privelege because there are less people in the server.
but Elites should be Team only
I also believe in the idea of a "Fleet Team " version where only your Fleet members can join
I have seen many a veteran player be either completely useless or just sit there while the rest of the group does all the work for them.
It is not a good idea or fair to label "Noobs" to only f2p players as that it not the case.
What will the devs do? Nothing because I do not think they really care to be honest.
If you choose to still pug even though this problem exists, that is your problem. On the very rare occasion I pug an stf, I go in knowing that I will have to do most of the work.
No, they shouldn't.
Nothing stops you from doing elite with a team. Why shouldn't others have the option of doing it with a PUG?
I prefer to roll with PUGs. If I join a PUG queue, I take my chances. If I want to take my chances with a PUG, thats my choice.
All your suggestion would accomplish is make queues harder to pop and increase all the ppl in zone chat crying for a team.
Dumb idea, all the way around.
Here's what I think, based on what I learned a LONG time ago:
The "Holodeck" is run on a shard or cluster of 50+ servers that runs STO. That "50" number was from open beta and Cryptic has added more servers to the shard.
I will go out on a long limb and state with some certainty that we will NEVER see another "holodeck" for like PvP or RP or newbs or 1337s or vets or noobs.
We all have to get along together or find ways to avoid those others that disturb or upset us. :eek:
its about stopping leavers , broken missions and people MOANING
Just because you are F2P does not mean you are a N00B...
F2P, I started in Janurary of 2012, wouldn't even consider playing another MMO because of the subscription cost. I have ~7000 accolades points, tier 4 diplomat, and a foundry mission I bought a LRSV-R from the cstore. I have bought various account upgrades. I have also been promoted to Fleet Admiral of the fleet I started out with.
Granted, I have Previous MMO and gaming experience, and am a die hard Trekkie, so I know the universe and the IP. But still F2P =/=N00B
Being a N00B means that you are an idiot and refused to be taught. Being a N00b means that you do not care about the team you queue with and are you there just for the loot. N00bs go AFK and don't bother to tell you. A N00b will insist that they know EXACTLY how to do this mission... and then proceed to sabotage it to bits.
F2P just means that you don't pay a monthly subscription fee. It has no bearing on skill or intelligence of the human at the controls. :rolleyes:
I can join a team of random ppl I find in zone chat, zone into the map with them, and still go AFK. The team leader can kick from the team, but you are going to fail with only 4 remaining players.
I can join a team of random ppl I find in zone chat, zone into a space map with them, decide their rainbow boats are silly, scream "NOOBS!" in team chat, and warp right back out of the map. You're still as effed as if you'd PUGged.
What has your "ELITE for team only!" position solved?
Absolutely nothing.
I agree. Zone chat is useless enough as it is due to Gorn jokes and PWE whinners. Add "Tac/Esct/DPS LFG KASE" and I'll never use zone chat again.
Pugs are ok in principle, as long as you know what to expect.
Well its gotten YOU blacklisted on the official (and only) STF elite team channel
See thats the other half
a Channel accessable ONLY by VA's and the ONLY place you can queue for elite stf from
where if your name is mud you NEVER run again
You have blacklisted me from some chat channel that I didn't even know existed let alone ever use? I'm crushed.
And frankly, I would never be involved with any channel/fleet/organisation that thought giving you some form of admin power was a good plan.
Again, your proposal to limit Elite to teams doesn't solve anything. A forced team of complete strangers is no different than a random pug group. You continuning to defend team-only makes you look silly.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think Sollvax was saying that getting banned from the EliteSTF channel would be the result of someone doing what you talked about, not that you personally got banned just for talking about it.
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Cryptic has a fix for the problem of inexperienced players holding back experienced players. It's called "fleets". They were implemented before launch.
Find a good fleet with a decent group whose play hours match yours, or build your fleet until it's that way, and then group with people whose play style and knowledge approximates yours.
PUGs are PUGs. They don't know what they're doing in any other MMORPG either. Or MMOanything, for that matter.
NO
An official channel would become the ONLY place to queue for Elites
and anyone who leaves or AFK would get KNOWN and ignored
To be honest, as an impartial observer, the way you phrased your response to boglejam would be easy to misinterpret.
You didn't say "that behavior would have gotten you blacklisted". You said "its gotten YOU blacklisted". As in past tense, done deal, and personal.
Wouldn't you have interpreted it that way if someone replied to you like that?
As an aside, I don't think an official channel is the answer, because PWE isn't going to want to moderate it full time.
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in other words you're getting pissy because someone didn't do what you told them to do
thats what the same people used to say before f2p hit. heres a thought: DON'T PUG STFS. thats the best way to end up with problems. form a group with people you know and then do them. don't blame f2p people for your mistakes
first, don't name specific players. second, players do that all the time. that doesn't mean they are bots. that just means they're trying to exploit the system and have you do the work for them
actually they don't need us. and you're placing far more importance on 'being here since the beginning' than there actually is.
thats ignorant
it'll never happen. nor should it
excuse me? drop the ignorant elitism
making them group only won't stop any of those things
official according to who? and that statement is about as elitist and ignorant as you can get
...and would quickly end with the removal of that channel when the blacklisted person screams elitism and harassment to a GM for blacklisting him. that kind of thing works both ways. you can cause trouble for them and they can cause even more trouble for you if you're not careful
In the past, they've solved this problem by having volunteer community moderators. I know, because I was one of them, for their official IRC channel when it existed.
Since they have volunteer forum moderators, and a chat channel system, it's a short stretch to having volunteer chat channel moderators.
Edit: and oh hey, look, they have MORE community mods now.
and other questions. True that somebody can still leave or somebody is untrue...
despite their awefull design, the old STF's had that benefit, and it was sometimes very horrible...mostly ground. In my opinion those stf's got overfixed...for comparison do a terradome stf...new STF's should be less like they are now and more like the old ones...keep the space ground sepperation and the length (old ones were too long, due to not being sepperated) but get rid of the PUG.
In my opinion i think they need to put the rewards in a bundle like the borg stf
at the end of the mission, i kinda new this would happen that people would go afk
when they join the missions..
all they have to do is remove the current rewarding system and put it as a bundle
at the end of the mission. solution fixed.
get extra fleet marks and little bit of dilithium base on how fast you did the mission..
but thats my opinion. usually my opinion fall on blind eyes.