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How much KDF content could the Vegas convention have paid for?

captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Klingon Discussion
With the money that was spent for air fare, hotels, meals, and entertainment, how much KDF content do you think could have been paid for with that same amount? Just curious.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    How many new players were added to the game because they were there?

    Ultimately cons are advertising, and come out of the advertising budget. You need to stop thinking like Ma-and-Pa outfit and start thinking like a corporate entity. It's not about robbing Peter to pay Paul.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I think you misunderstand MMO economics.
  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    How many new players were added to the game because they were there?

    That is a really good question. Because I have a feeling that same amount of money through more traditional advertising would reach a larger audience.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,712 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Based on how long it takes to bring a new employee up to speed on their systems, and how many people went, I'd say probably one non-featured, story-light mission with no puzzles.

    How many KDF missions did you create in the Foundry while they were there? :)
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,712 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    That is a really good question. Because I have a feeling that same amount of money through more traditional advertising would reach a larger audience.

    Yes, but of that wider audience, a tiny fraction of a percent would be Trekkies; whereas at the convention, 100% were Trekkies.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    Yes, but of that wider audience, a tiny fraction of a percent would be Trekkies; whereas at the convention, 100% were Trekkies.
    Exactly this. They're advertising to a targeted audience: those who love Trek. Plus it's a chance to socialize with other Trek professionals; a chance to talk to some Trek actors and possibly lay some ground work into getting them into the game for a reasonable fee.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • j4ck5p4rr0wj4ck5p4rr0w Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    How many new players were added to the game because they were there?

    Maybe 50. 75 at most. Whatever the exact number I'm guessing that it is very small compared to the amount of money that was spent on the trip. But hey, I invite all the people who started playing because of Vegas to chime in in this thread ;)
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    All I know is Dan confirmed that the Super powered destroyer of the Borg - Vesta Class - will be coming out pretty soon!!!

    Hopefully they will make this as super powered as the designer wants it to be!!

    Another Crusier in time for X-mas would be nice - yeah Vesta:D
  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    All I know is Dan confirmed that the Super powered destroyer of the Borg - Vesta Class - will be coming out pretty soon!!!

    Hopefully they will make this as super powered as the designer wants it to be!!

    Another Crusier in time for X-mas would be nice - yeah Vesta:D

    And that is exactly why that Mary Sue ship should not be taken seriously by anyone.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Another Crusier in time for X-mas would be nice - yeah Vesta:D
    The only information I have seen about the ship is that it might be a Science Vessel, not a Cruiser.

    Of course one could ask: how much KDF content could they make for all the money they're paying Rademaker in license fees to use the Vesta? :D
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    All I know is Dan confirmed that the Super powered destroyer of the Borg - Vesta Class - will be coming out pretty soon!!!

    Hopefully they will make this as super powered as the designer wants it to be!!

    Another Crusier in time for X-mas would be nice - yeah Vesta:D

    And that is exactly why that Mary Sue poster should not be taken seriously by anyone.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    Yes, but of that wider audience, a tiny fraction of a percent would be Trekkies; whereas at the convention, 100% were Trekkies.
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Exactly this. They're advertising to a targeted audience: those who love Trek. Plus it's a chance to socialize with other Trek professionals; a chance to talk to some Trek actors and possibly lay some ground work into getting them into the game for a reasonable fee.

    That's the problem, most Trekkies already play this game or those Trekkies who like it anyway. Targeting such a minority audience is the big issue here, if they want to make more money they really need to start targeting the general gamer audience. Produce the Federation more towards the Trekkie and the KDF more towards the general gamer, produce most equally and start charging fair prices for the C-Store stuff.
    bloctoad wrote: »
    And that is exactly why that Mary Sue poster should not be taken seriously by anyone.

    Indeed, he just seems to want to cause trouble, he is a Troll and should be ignored. ;)
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,712 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    That's the problem, most Trekkies already play this game or those Trekkies who like it anyway.

    Actually, most Trekkies don't even know this game exists, and most who do haven't even tried it yet. Even Trekkies with daily online presence. And of those who have tried it, many did so during the couple of months after launch; the game has changed since then.

    It only seems like all Trekkies are here, because you hang out in STO-related Trek fandom. :)
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    Actually, most Trekkies don't even know this game exists, and most who do haven't even tried it yet. Even Trekkies with daily online presence. And of those who have tried it, many did so during the couple of months after launch; the game has changed since then.

    It only seems like all Trekkies are here, because you hang out in STO-related Trek fandom. :)

    Okay perhaps a bit of an over-exaggeration on my part, but my views on their marketing and target audience still has merit I believe. Just targeting the one group is a rather silly one, when they could equally be targeting two different audiences while still not loosing sight of their overall goal, or the goal they should have that being developing an award winning Star Trek MMO. One with at least two factions that also bring new ideas and features to the MMO world.

    I mean look at the character creator, my wife has a friend who started to play a while back before he moved to America and he has played many MMO's from WoW to SWTOR and he was utterly impressed by the character creator but found the tutorial a bit full on and fast paced.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    And that is exactly why that Mary Sue ship should not be taken seriously by anyone.

    IKR? Its like someone thought Voyager was a good model for Trek?
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Okay perhaps a bit of an over-exaggeration on my part, but my views on their marketing and target audience still has merit I believe. Just targeting the one group is a rather silly one, when they could equally be targeting two different audiences while still not loosing sight of their overall goal, or the goal they should have that being developing an award winning Star Trek MMO. One with at least two factions that also bring new ideas and features to the MMO world.

    I mean look at the character creator, my wife has a friend who started to play a while back before he moved to America and he has played many MMO's from WoW to SWTOR and he was utterly impressed by the character creator but found the tutorial a bit full on and fast paced.

    The problem is really... Most Star Trek Fans are not game or mmorpg players. Its a selective variety of us that happen to be mmorpg players and diehard Star Trek fans. All in all I get your point too its also a chance to get people who are diehard fans into playing the game and getting more people into being fans through the game who currently are not fans.

    Although IMO I think this game has a greater chance of getting more fans than the JJ Abrahms movies. It just needs more focus where there hasn't been much focus on taking the game for longevity where in the past its... "If we can just make it until next month" mentality.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    The problem is really... Most Star Trek Fans are not game or mmorpg players. Its a selective variety of us that happen to be mmorpg players and diehard Star Trek fans. All in all I get your point too its also a chance to get people who are diehard fans into playing the game and getting more people into being fans through the game who currently are not fans.

    Although IMO I think this game has a greater chance of getting more fans than the JJ Abrahms movies. It just needs more focus where there hasn't been much focus on taking the game for longevity where in the past its... "If we can just make it until next month" mentality.

    I wholeheartedly agree, the quick buck isn't always the right way. The lack of visions and direction has hurt this game, I am hopeful that season 7 might put this on track. I am also hopeful that they will bring in new missions rather then just these invasion zones which are rather mindless shoot'em'ups.

    I feel two full factions where new players can choose from the get go which faction they can play would be a huge step in the right direction. To be totally honest two factions is all they really need. Many other MMO's only have two factions. Though I do feel they need to also work on the different species and careers more to make the play style a lot different, evolve it more perhaps even unique missions for particular species and classes, ones that can only be played if you are that species or are shared and played with a friend who is of that species. Would make the game more interesting. :D
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    With the money that was spent for air fare, hotels, meals, and entertainment, how much KDF content do you think could have been paid for with that same amount? Just curious.

    None, because Cryptic doesn't have any intention to expand or improve gameplay for our faction at all. They can have all the money in the world, but it doesn't matter if their intents are anywhere else but fixing the KDF.
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  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    With the money that was spent for air fare, hotels, meals, and entertainment, how much KDF content do you think could have been paid for with that same amount? Just curious.

    Half a daily, an unfinished ship skin, or a box of new Klingon tissues :P
  • starkofthenorthstarkofthenorth Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    As a person who went to the convention and actively took part in the game's promotion there I can tell you that the expense of sending four devs for four three was well worth it.

    We were able to expose several thousand people to the game though the demo at the Trek Radio booth as well as the Dev Panel and Hanging with the Devs after event. CBS Marketing managers were also on hand and were able to see the crowds at the panel as well as the constant mob around the booth.

    The results may not be immediately apparent but without a doubt the payoff will be well worth the trivial expense of travel and lodging.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Being able to discuss with some fans and with other companies working on/with the Star Trek IP is priceless for them. It's also a great opportunity to share and get new ideas and concepts - something you may see in game at some point.

    Sometines, informal chats are far more profitable than unending professional meetings.
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  • deyvidkdfdeyvidkdf Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I was at STLV representing Trek Radio and got to hang with the devs. Overall I would say it was definitely a successful away mission.

    It was surprising to me how many die-hard Trekkies (in full costume & makeup) were not aware of Star Trek Online because they were not gamers, but once they attended the Discussion with the Devs panel and then were able to see the game in action at our booth they were immediately intrigued and interested. I personally pitched STO to many fans in attendance and know that many them were planning to start playing. More Trekkies playing STO is definitely good for business.

    In addition to meeting friends and players, I saw some of the Devs talking to some very interesting business contacts at the convention, which could lead to some very cool prospects for Cryptic and STO. I won't go into details or specifics, as much of it is not set in stone, may change over time, or just not come to fruition for a number of reasons. I look forward to more fun working with Cryptic again at STLV next year.
  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited September 2012
    With the money that was spent for air fare, hotels, meals, and entertainment, how much KDF content do you think could have been paid for with that same amount? Just curious.

    None. No one important cares about KDF content.

    Moving swiftly on....
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    None. No one important cares about KDF content.

    Moving swiftly on....

    Well thats funny. According to a recent poll only the a Romulan fans do not care about the KDF. Everyone else seems quite interested in us if the poll numbers are to be considered, and we do not lag far behind the Roms.
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  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited September 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Well thats funny. According to a recent poll only the a Romulan fans do not care about the KDF. Everyone else seems quite interested in us if the poll numbers are to be considered, and we do not lag far behind the Roms.

    But you lag a long way behind all the other options combined which is how you tell how popular a single idea is in a poll.

    If there were only 2 options, KDF or Romulans then your statement would have merit.

    Besides, I said IMPORTANT. You think PWE or Cryptic really consider anyone on the forum's opinions important? If that were true we would have a proper test server with acknowledged feedback etc. But we don't.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Even PWE stated by Dan Stahl (in Raptr Q&A) wants a full KDF faction on par with the Federation in terms of content.

    As for the other options, they are minor things like crafting update etc. Only the blind Romulan fans who expect a full faction tomorrow have surpassed the KDF in the polls. They are asking for unrealistic goals.
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  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited September 2012
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  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Besides, I said IMPORTANT. You think PWE or Cryptic really consider anyone on the forum's opinions important? If that were true we would have a proper test server with acknowledged feedback etc. But we don't.

    I think you are wrong on this one. PWE/Cryptic is a business. As such they want to know what is in demand, so they can sell something.
    The poll shows that people want most of all options playable Romulans. Atm I would say 1 play 2/3 Klingon, 1/3 Fed. Since I had only one vote, I voted for more KDF content.
    Mind you, that could include Romulans as playable species for KDF. Needless to say, I'm a proud supporter of the House of Duras. :D
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    edited September 2012
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    But you lag a long way behind all the other options combined which is how you tell how popular a single idea is in a poll.

    If there were only 2 options, KDF or Romulans then your statement would have merit.

    Besides, I said IMPORTANT. You think PWE or Cryptic really consider anyone on the forum's opinions important? If that were true we would have a proper test server with acknowledged feedback etc. But we don't.

    We lag way beyond all other options? Every other options falls behind the KDF in the poll and we are only 100 votes behind the Romulans. I think you are reading that poll wrong.

    I'm a paying customer. The game does not exist without customers. So how are myself and all customers not important?
    I think Cryptic may be tired of dealing with fans but customers they recognize as important.
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