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drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Regent (Sovereign Refit)

First the Atrox Carrier. Then the Escort-Carrier. Now the Regent.

What does any KDF paying customers get = zero. Little surprise there. Remind me again why I have a subscription as a KDF-only player?

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  • aveldraaveldra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Wait you can play KDF in this game?:eek:
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    aveldra wrote: »
    Wait you can play KDF in this game?:eek:

    Not sure really of anything anymore.
  • gronknessgronkness Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    There will be no Romulan faction or any other faction. If ya can't manage to roll a full Klingon faction with enough content for people to actually start at tier 1 then how can you possibly hope to make enough content for anything else.

    Just sayin.
  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Just another demand from the Fed playerbase fullfiled by the Devs.
    They want, they get it and pay much in C-Store for that.

    That's Cryptics business motto. STO is going down hill really fast.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Swell, another reason to find another game to play. Hope the Feddies will have lots-O-fun playing with themselves when the KDF is finally and permanently put down.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    We knew this was comming when the Devs told us back before they released all the once new KDF ships, " KDF is getting thiers first..." We got them all at once and now we are seeing the feds slowly get thiers overtime.

    We knew this was comming becuase the feds have constantly cried for more ships to be added for them even when they had a plethora of already existing ship choices.

    We knew this was comming becuase the Devs themselves have told us, KDF fans, that they where gonna milk the feds as much as possible becuase we (KDF) are just not enough to be concerned with in comparison.

    Why is any KDF fans surprised that the Devs kept that promise?

    Cryptic obviously needs the revenue, even for being the top PWE performer, and they (Devs) are gonna milk the feds until they run dry or the game dies, which ever comes first.

    Only then wil, they come to us (KDF) looking for more revenue to buff thier pockets or create the RSE looking for more revenue to capitalize on the feeding frenzy such would bring for the short term.

    Our being upset does nothing but give those feds that hate us fuel to point fingers and say, " Look at the whiny Klingons" and more excuses for the Devs to overlook us as a fanbase that will never be happy in thier eyes.

    Do not give them the satisfaction. Instead kill them in the PvP fields and listen to their cries from Grethor and let Cryptic milk thier own game to death.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Remember, the "Regent" is just a reskin for the +1 Sovereign some of the Feds have been asking for a long time. I refuse to get excited about it until I see the stats. And the price.

    We know the ship artists get a kick out of designing KDF ships because they can do pretty much whatever they want. That gives me hope to see more.

    Heck, the KDF got a couple of those +1 ships just because a ship designer was working on KDF ships on his own time, if memory serves me right.

    Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I am cautiously optimistic that we will see more KDF ships.
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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I am a full time fed player, I have no interest in playing the KDF faction (It doesn't suit me)...

    However, I have to admit, that while developing to the player base has merits, the amount of development focus on the Federation Faction is getting to be a bit much.

    Am I correct in saying that the last 3 faction specific ships have been Fed Ships as the OP indicates?

    I have read, with interest, many of the Klingon Faction's requests... while I don't agree with some, and some I do think are whining (not much different than the Fed players IMHO)... There are others I find to be well thought out, and reasonable.

    Three I whole heatedly support;

    1. Please finish the Klingon Faction. Allow those who choose to play exclusively Klingon (Level 1 to 50) to do so. Develop the character, and back-story (Personally, I would play KDF if there was more back-story)

    2. Please release new (not reskinned) ships for the KDF (I believe the two most requested are an Escort Carrier (personally, I don't see canon support for these on either faction, but good for one is good for the other), and a true Science ship).

    3. (Not exclusively a Klingon request) Revamp PVP. Provide mission style maps that allow for PVP (If we are at war, then let us be at war). Allow Fleet Defense (both sides) to have to defend their starbases from an attack by actual players. Allow convoy protection maps. Each of the new fleet events could be made to be PVP style maps... with mission objectives (other than simple kills).

    These things can be added, add value to gameplay experience for all players.

    As a fed player, I see value to the entire player base, and PWE for doing these things. Nothing will harm the game by having a fully developed second faction. If anything, I think this will only improve the game, attract new players, and open additional avenues for content (see PVP request).

    Just my 2 cents...

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  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »

    Cryptic obviously needs the revenue, even for being the top PWE performer, and they (Devs) are gonna milk the feds until they run dry or the game dies, which ever comes first.

    Do not give them the satisfaction. Instead kill them in the PvP fields and listen to their cries from Grethor and let Cryptic milk thier own game to death.

    Just my thoughts.

    Well spoken johnny111971. I wish there would be more Federation players around like you :)
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    Just my thoughts.

    Well spoken johnny111971. I wish there would be more Federation players around like you :)

    For the record, I mainly play Fed and I agree with Johnny.

    A full, or more complete, KDF and PvP experience will enrich the game, not hurt it. Even if I only rarely play KDF or PvP myself. Anything that appeals to different play styles will attract new players (and might convince former players to come back). Any new missions that add to the overall STO storyline increase the immersion for everybody.
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  • praghaspraghas Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I am not suprised. As a half and half player (half my time Fed and half my time KDF) I will NOT be purchasing this new vessel. Were it a KDF escort carrier, i'd be interested.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Another Fed ship.

    All I need to say is read Roach's post- why would this thred even exist? Its not like its a big surprize - they said over and over - Fed ship after Fed ship for the forseeable future

    Don't you guys remember my "no more c-store KDF ships" thread

    I can't believe this is a shocker - and wait for it - there will be 1 more Fed ship in time for Christmas - and wait more - no KDF ship
  • praghaspraghas Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Another Fed ship.

    All I need to say is read Roach's post- why would this thred even exist? Its not like its a big surprize - they said over and over - Fed ship after Fed ship for the forseeable future

    Don't you guys remember my "no more c-store KDF ships" thread

    I can't believe this is a shocker - and wait for it - there will be 1 more Fed ship in time for Christmas - and wait more - no KDF ship

    Its not really a shocker, just annoying.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    Just another demand from the Fed playerbase fullfiled by the Devs.
    They want, they get it and pay much in C-Store for that.

    That's Cryptics business motto. STO is going down hill really fast.

    It's not going downhill it has hit rock bottom
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Rumour has it that the console will be a Transphasic battle Cloak - fire your torps at her as she's cloaking they fly right through.

    other than this I don't see any reason to buy this ship
  • kattarnkattarn Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Rumour has it that the console will be a Transphasic battle Cloak - fire your torps at her as she's cloaking they fly right through.

    other than this I don't see any reason to buy this ship

    What?, hope thats totally a rumor and nothing else because a cruiser with battle cloack is kind of OP tbh and specially transphasic ****, just think about it, you want to kill the thing she does a evasive, cloack and your HYIII fails, the most hated situation with a BoP solved by the feds with a digital pencil stroke.
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Rumour has it that the console will be a Transphasic battle Cloak - fire your torps at her as she's cloaking they fly right through.

    other than this I don't see any reason to buy this ship

    That just doesn't belong on a Fed ship.

    That doesn't even work for a BoP. Invincible Battle Cloak really.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    That just doesn't belong on a Fed ship.

    That doesn't even work for a BoP. Invincible Battle Cloak really.

    They got it working on the Entrprise - D to get out of the asteroid the Romulans had trapped them in.

    It was an experimental device that was being developed in secret when Riker was onboard the ship carrying it. He was a Lt and there was a mutany against the captain and an accident happend and the ship phased and then floated in space until it de-phased inside the asteroid. In the end Captian Picard said they would inform the Romulans about it as it violated the treaty with them

    But now there is not Romulan star empire -actually in game the Feds are fighting the Romulans and the Klingons

    But the Device is real and is canon - not some made up thing - as it appeared in TNG

    Sriously though there is only one reason that they would make this device availible - to completely finish off the KDF - except for a few die-hard - so I don't think you will see it soon. But if you do it means only 1 thing they intend to remove the KDF from the game
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Rumour has it that the console will be a Transphasic battle Cloak - fire your torps at her as she's cloaking they fly right through.

    other than this I don't see any reason to buy this ship

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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Rumor has it also that there will be World Peace tomorrow. True story.

    That will be a real bummer for the US military industrial complex as the largest weapons suppler to the world

    whats really funny is that the top 5 weopans dealers to the world are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council- US, Russia,China,France,Britain

    World Peace would be against the United Nations best interests

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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    We knew this was comming when the Devs told us back before they released all the once new KDF ships, " KDF is getting thiers first..." We got them all at once and now we are seeing the feds slowly get thiers overtime.

    We knew this was comming becuase the feds have constantly cried for more ships to be added for them even when they had a plethora of already existing ship choices.

    We knew this was comming becuase the Devs themselves have told us, KDF fans, that they where gonna milk the feds as much as possible becuase we (KDF) are just not enough to be concerned with in comparison.

    Why is any KDF fans surprised that the Devs kept that promise?

    Cryptic obviously needs the revenue, even for being the top PWE performer, and they (Devs) are gonna milk the feds until they run dry or the game dies, which ever comes first.

    Only then wil, they come to us (KDF) looking for more revenue to buff thier pockets or create the RSE looking for more revenue to capitalize on the feeding frenzy such would bring for the short term.

    Our being upset does nothing but give those feds that hate us fuel to point fingers and say, " Look at the whiny Klingons" and more excuses for the Devs to overlook us as a fanbase that will never be happy in thier eyes.

    Do not give them the satisfaction. Instead kill them in the PvP fields and listen to their cries from Grethor and let Cryptic milk thier own game to death.

    Another great post full of inspiration content. Roach is right, we knew it was coming, all I can say is I hope the Federation fan base enjoys it. I really don't see what is so good about the Sovereign, I prefer the Excelsior, Intrepid and Galaxy more.

    Now the Federation has gotten three ships in a row, how about us KDFers get one, I'd like to see a Lethean Cruiser, kind of tired of all these carriers to be honest, the game is flooded with them.
    I am a full time fed player, I have no interest in playing the KDF faction (It doesn't suit me)...

    However, I have to admit, that while developing to the player base has merits, the amount of development focus on the Federation Faction is getting to be a bit much.

    Am I correct in saying that the last 3 faction specific ships have been Fed Ships as the OP indicates?

    I have read, with interest, many of the Klingon Faction's requests... while I don't agree with some, and some I do think are whining (not much different than the Fed players IMHO)... There are others I find to be well thought out, and reasonable.

    Three I whole heatedly support;

    1. Please finish the Klingon Faction. Allow those who choose to play exclusively Klingon (Level 1 to 50) to do so. Develop the character, and back-story (Personally, I would play KDF if there was more back-story)

    2. Please release new (not reskinned) ships for the KDF (I believe the two most requested are an Escort Carrier (personally, I don't see canon support for these on either faction, but good for one is good for the other), and a true Science ship).

    3. (Not exclusively a Klingon request) Revamp PVP. Provide mission style maps that allow for PVP (If we are at war, then let us be at war). Allow Fleet Defense (both sides) to have to defend their starbases from an attack by actual players. Allow convoy protection maps. Each of the new fleet events could be made to be PVP style maps... with mission objectives (other than simple kills).

    These things can be added, add value to gameplay experience for all players.

    As a fed player, I see value to the entire player base, and PWE for doing these things. Nothing will harm the game by having a fully developed second faction. If anything, I think this will only improve the game, attract new players, and open additional avenues for content (see PVP request).

    Just my 2 cents...

    Thank you for this post, I too think a fully developed KDF faction will bring in more players and more money for PWE/Cryptic. Then they can do the Romulan and True Way faction and take their time with it, or just stick with two factions and develop them equally. :D
    levi3 wrote: »
    Rumour has it that the console will be a Transphasic battle Cloak - fire your torps at her as she's cloaking they fly right through.

    other than this I don't see any reason to buy this ship

    A phase cloak, the Federation really shouldn't have any cloaks, a phase cloak is a joke. I hope it's just a rumour, but so was the Ferengi and Tholian themed lock boxes and look what we got. Cryptic might have a leak, better call a plummer Dev's. :P
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012

    A phase cloak, the Federation really shouldn't have any cloaks, a phase cloak is a joke. I hope it's just a rumour, but so was the Ferengi and Tholian themed lock boxes and look what we got. Cryptic might have a leak, better call a plummer Dev's. :P

    I think the idea of a phase clock - like the one in TNG(so it is canon) was floated because there was a LOT of people posting comments on the thread and blog post that they don't like the look of the new Regent - like a Sov with and Oddy stuck on the back. I hate the look - so if you are Cryptic/pwe you must be thinking now that sales will suck. If they added a Phased battle cloak as the console - that ship - despite its ugly look - would sell better than the Oddy did.
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    People have been crying for this thing for months now (even when they got what they wanted, they still hated it and moaned because they didn't realize that the Lt. Com Tac they so desperately craved would come at a survivability trade-off).

    Next will probably be the Ambassador or yet another kind of carrier. I don't care for any of them but Cryptic is going to sell what the people want. I'd love a real science ship (how about the Vesta?) or some kind of mean KDF escort, but let's be honest here, it's going to be Fed cruisers and carriers down the line well into the foreseeable future.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I think the idea of a phase clock - like the one in TNG(so it is canon) was floated because there was a LOT of people posting comments on the thread and blog post that they don't like the look of the new Regent - like a Sov with and Oddy stuck on the back. I hate the look - so if you are Cryptic/pwe you must be thinking now that sales will suck. If they added a Phased battle cloak as the console - that ship - despite its ugly look - would sell better than the Oddy did.

    Yeah I too thought it was poorly designed, it fits with the Oddy look which could have been their intention. But the results are the same, a dislike of the design. But again it's only one skin, I didn't like the look of the Escort Carrier or the Attrox either. I think the designes have been pretty poor since F2P with the Bortas being the exception in my opinion.

    Back to the Regent I would think a different console would be better, as while in PvE it wouldn't affect gameplay in PvP it would. I do know a lot of Federation players are disappointed that there aren't many KDF players who play PvP, but with possible/new consoles like this coming out it would make the situation worse I think. Lets just all hope it's just rumour.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Well i startd a thread in the STO disscussion section about the phased cloak idea - it seems that if they want the Regent to sell like cabbage patch dolls in the 80's then that would be a thing to add

    as it is - short of a super console I expect the Regent sales to bomb
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    They got it working on the Entrprise - D to get out of the asteroid the Romulans had trapped them in.

    It was an experimental device that was being developed in secret when Riker was onboard the ship carrying it. He was a Lt and there was a mutany against the captain and an accident happend and the ship phased and then floated in space until it de-phased inside the asteroid. In the end Captian Picard said they would inform the Romulans about it as it violated the treaty with them

    But now there is not Romulan star empire -actually in game the Feds are fighting the Romulans and the Klingons

    But the Device is real and is canon - not some made up thing - as it appeared in TNG

    Sriously though there is only one reason that they would make this device availible - to completely finish off the KDF - except for a few die-hard - so I don't think you will see it soon. But if you do it means only 1 thing they intend to remove the KDF from the game

    First an Invincible Battle Cloak is so insanely overpowered it's not funny. Or do you think a 15s uptime and 3min cooldown are what you want in a Battle Cloak? Oh and I pulled the stats from the Ablative Armour console.

    Second, The Treaty of Algernon was resigned by the current president of the Federation according to this game and that their devotion to peace will exclude them from designing, researching or implementing Cloaking devices. You got the Dreadnought and Defiant R your not getting more Cloaks. Also CBS have said no Federation Battle Cloaks.

    Thirdly going by my second point there should be no cloaking ships at all on the federation side if you want to go with a Canon approach.

    If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I highly doubt your getting another cloaking ship.

    As for what it should be, either something to help you tank or something to help put the assault back in Assault Cruiser
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Second, The Treaty of Algernon was resigned by the current president of the Federation according to this game and that their devotion to peace will exclude them from designing, researching or implementing Cloaking devicesIf I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I highly doubt your getting another cloaking ship.

    As for what it should be, either something to help you tank or something to help put the assault back in Assault Cruiser

    This makes no sense at all - there are like 10 mission where the Romulans are blowing up fed ships - and in 2 quadrents all the enemy ship flying around are Romulans who will attack the feds - how can there be a tready in the game between the Fed and Romulans who are fighting?
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    This makes no sense at all - there are like 10 mission where the Romulans are blowing up fed ships - and in 2 quadrents all the enemy ship flying around are Romulans who will attack the feds - how can there be a tready in the game between the Fed and Romulans who are fighting?

    All treaties are treaties, but not all treaties are peace treaties.

    A treaty is essentially an agreed-upon set of terms for two powers to do, and not do certain things. A good example in our world is how most world powers abide by various treaties in the dealing and usage of nuclear weaponry.

    A similar thing applies with the Treaty of Algeron. The Federation agreed (more or less), to not field, research, etc the usage of cloaking devices. In turn, the Romulans agreed...to something else, I dunno what.

    About Romulans attacking the Federation, the Star Empire has been in upheaval ever since the Hobus Supernova, so treaty or not, there's a lot of Romulans out there (such as Nero), who don't care about such things, and will attack anyways.



    Anyways, I don't really care too much about any fancy new consoles this ship might come with. If I feel it's worth it, I'll buy it. I kinda like the design IMHO, so I might keep it. I've always been a fan of cruisers, but I am not gonna consider it 'mandatory to have'. If anything, the only ship I'm calling for is a fleet Excelsior. :D
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    The above posts are part of why I support a revival of the Klingon-Romulan Alliance.

    1. It would allow the Feds to develop Cloaking after their treaty is breached - so they can stop whining.

    2. Because the above would likely result in their cloaking console being stripped of its ship limitations, most of our ships would likely receive an additional console slot and a (free) cloak console... that I can then remove and drop something more useful in (I barely cloak now a days)

    3. This game simply would not survive a 3rd Faction. Bringing Romulans exclusively into the Redside would strengthen us enough to actually matter to the devs.

    4. They can have Cardies or something, but no new content, just a new race they can roll.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    They got it working on the Entrprise - D to get out of the asteroid the Romulans had trapped them in.

    It was an experimental device that was being developed in secret when Riker was onboard the ship carrying it. He was a Lt and there was a mutany against the captain and an accident happend and the ship phased and then floated in space until it de-phased inside the asteroid. In the end Captian Picard said they would inform the Romulans about it as it violated the treaty with them

    But now there is not Romulan star empire -actually in game the Feds are fighting the Romulans and the Klingons

    But the Device is real and is canon - not some made up thing - as it appeared in TNG

    Sriously though there is only one reason that they would make this device availible - to completely finish off the KDF - except for a few die-hard - so I don't think you will see it soon. But if you do it means only 1 thing they intend to remove the KDF from the game

    Making up rumors and can't even get what little facts you have straight. Riker was a ensign, plus there still is a Romulan Empire. Always seem to be trying to cause a rift between feds and kdf.
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