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maltinpolarmaltinpolar Member Posts: 5 Arc User
edited August 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Since the S6 launch I've noticed that PvP queues -on both Fed and KDF sides- are taking longer and longer to start, especially ground PvP.

I used to do all my 3-match dailys (arena, assault or CnH) in less than an hour. Now I can spend a whole playing session (usually 4-5 hours) waiting for a PvP engage popup to come up, and even then sometimes it counts down to zero without all players confirming then it's back to square one. So frustrating!

I understand the new S6 grind-fest might have drawn players away from PvP, what with all the resources you need to upgrade your starbase just to unlock mail or a broken transwarp conduit (Yay...), but seriously, where's the fun in that? Seems more like a job than a game, if you ask me.

Anyway, is PvP being gradually pushed out of the STO equation? What do you think?
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    PVP is being slowly eliminated from most online games

    Even the nasty vicious ones like WOW and EVE are losing pvp
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Yes, weather its by Cryptic design or an effect of the grind that is Season 6, PVP is quieter. The irony being that by the time the best PVP worthy ships become readily avalible, there won't be anyone left to use them against.

    Not sure what the point of the OP's thread is though, PVPs decline has already been documented in nearly every PVP thread and then talked to post-exaustion.
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  • captkirrahecaptkirrahe Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    PVP is being slowly eliminated from most online games

    Even the nasty vicious ones like WOW and EVE are losing pvp

    No? Pvpers are playing other pvp games. On sto specifically, there is a reasonably significant group playing/going to play MWO.
    WoW overall is losing players both pvp and pve slowly and Eve is at a stable pop, also has dust 514 coming out being pvp oriented.
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  • aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I dont know about ground pvp but i dont have to wait long for space matches. Of course it depends on the time but in the evening there are enough matches. At least fed side, klinks have to wait a bit longer sometimes.

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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited August 2012
    No? Pvpers are playing other pvp games. On sto specifically, there is a reasonably significant group playing/going to play MWO.
    WoW overall is losing players both pvp and pve slowly and Eve is at a stable pop, also has dust 514 coming out being pvp oriented.

    Don't mind him. He's just perpetually butt hurt about the face rollings he gets on a regular occassion in every game he ever plays. He's good at totally ignoring reality, that the MLG is making more revenue than ever, has higher and higher ratings, and more games over all seeking to join it.

    I'd make a happy suggestion to you to never reply to one of his little rants, cause it will just get him banned (again) but you already took his bait :P

    Carry on Captkirrahe. Carry on.


    TO OP: pvp is dying down cause we are all farming for our starbases like crack heads looking for their next fix. Once everyone gets their T3 and 4 shipyards the ques will fill back up. It's also taking hits, because there are alot of good games coming down the pipe. STO always suffers tremendously in the pvp ques when new titles are released or are about to release. Because the sto pvp community are primarily Gamers First.
  • pantsmaster916pantsmaster916 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Personally, I don't think it has a lot to do with STO directly. I mean, yes, PvP in this game is only played by a minority, and a big reason for that is Cryptic's repeated struggles with balance issues, and hasty development schedule. But if there's an apparent decline in population, I'd be likely to chalk that up to other games having better, more engaging, more immediately-satisfying PvP and PvE-Skirmish models.

    League of Legends is the biggest online example of this, and the impending (I think it's still impending?) release of DOTA2 will only make it tougher to keep players interested.

    There's also really great PvE skirmishes available in games like ME3 that satisfy a lot of the itch that PvPers have to jump straight into the action against a challenging enemy.

    In other words, classic MMO PvP models are getting old, and not aging well. This is not limited to STO, but is true across the industry. They need to evolve into something more competitive and stop rehashing the same things older games have done.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    Don't mind him. He's just perpetually butt hurt about the face rollings he gets on a regular occassion in every game he ever plays. He's good at totally ignoring reality, that the MLG is making more revenue than ever, has higher and higher ratings, and more games over all seeking to join it.

    says a man who has NEVER won a fair fight and who has never seen me in action

    and who doesn't know that EVE is in decline and WOW is in financial trouble
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Since the S6 launch I've noticed that PvP queues -on both Fed and KDF sides- are taking longer and longer to start, especially ground PvP.

    I used to do all my 3-match dailys (arena, assault or CnH) in less than an hour. Now I can spend a whole playing session (usually 4-5 hours) waiting for a PvP engage popup to come up, and even then sometimes it counts down to zero without all players confirming then it's back to square one. So frustrating!

    I understand the new S6 grind-fest might have drawn players away from PvP, what with all the resources you need to upgrade your starbase just to unlock mail or a broken transwarp conduit (Yay...), but seriously, where's the fun in that? Seems more like a job than a game, if you ask me.

    Anyway, is PvP being gradually pushed out of the STO equation? What do you think?

    Don't worry OP, this isn't the first time it's happened; PvP always bounces back eventually.
    mavairo wrote: »

    TO OP: pvp is dying down cause we are all farming for our starbases like crack heads looking for their next fix. Once everyone gets their T3 and 4 shipyards the ques will fill back up. It's also taking hits, because there are alot of good games coming down the pipe. STO always suffers tremendously in the pvp ques when new titles are released or are about to release. Because the sto pvp community are primarily Gamers First.

    Indeed.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    EVE's PvP is waning?? Thats more than half the game. Whats it gonna be now? Asteroid minning the MMO?
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »

    says a man who has NEVER won a fair fight and who has never seen me in action

    and who doesn't know that EVE is in decline and WOW is in financial trouble

    You act as if I don't pug without vent. I do.


    I've killed T5 ships in a Shuttle. So I have indeed won fights at not only fair, but seriously disadvantaged.

    MVAM vs Bug. Bug has every advantage he has better doffs than I do, better ship, and better gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CPuXgrLwoQ&feature=youtu.be

    So you were saying? Kentucky Fried Crier?

    I have beaten cars, that are factually more potent than the ones I drive in Forza.

    I also don't need to see you inaction, since you have stated that pve requires specialized builds to beat it. I can beat any of this games pve, save for Fleet Events, and STFs in my Shuttle. That's hardly specialized.

    Actually Eves population is stable, and saying wow is in financial trouble?

    Kid they still have millions (quite literally millions) of subscribers. Even after losing 4 million subs they are still well ahead of the game. Blizzard has made every bit of profit from wow they need to. You also seem to not understand, starcraft2, is still going strong, and it's big money maker especially in asia, is the pvp.

    Then you have Tribes which is doing absurdly well for itself, and world of tanks is still going strong. And now we have Mechwarrior coming. To say nothing of Call of duty, battlefield, and Halo's franchises. Which are driven soley by their pvp.

    Maybe you should go back to your make believe land that you try to pass of as reality. Cause you keep getting slapped own every time you leave it.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    EVE's PvP is waning?? Thats more than half the game. Whats it gonna be now? Asteroid minning the MMO?

    Im not sure

    My friend mike was EVE from beta launch and has just quit because the pvp has been "Nerfed to nerfdom by nerfherders"

    and he is now considering coming here (if he does watch out the guy is a complete maniac who likes to blow things up)
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  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Im not sure

    My friend mike was EVE from beta launch and has just quit because the pvp has been "Nerfed to nerfdom by nerfherders"

    and he is now considering coming here (if he does watch out the guy is a complete maniac who likes to blow things up)

    Yeah, my friend's cousin's ex-girlfriends's roommate's dad's chihuahua was in WoW closed beta super secret test server and he said WoW is dead.

    So you must be right.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You act as if I don't pug without vent. I do.

    who cares??
    you are a bit of a bully who hates me because im not prepared to kiss your feet
    well get used to it

    I've killed T5 ships in a Shuttle. So I have indeed won fights at not only fair, but seriously disadvantaged.


    I hear you have killed shuttles in a t5
    I have beaten cars, that are factually more potent than the ones I drive in Forza.

    And I have eaten two 16 inch four cheeses pizzas in 24 hours so what??

    Actually Eves population is stable, and saying wow is in financial trouble?

    I suggest you accept that These are FACTS
    Eve is declining and WOW has lost income lately

    Kid they still have millions (quite literally millions) of subscribers.

    so does the Sun newspaper (its still in finanical trouble)
    Even after losing 4 million subs they are still well ahead of the game.

    so you DO know they lost 1/3rd of their income base then
    Blizzard has made every bit of profit from wow they need to. You also seem to not
    understand, starcraft2, is still going strong, and it's big money maker especially in asia, is the pvp.

    until the law changes and "online gambling and gaming" become illegal in some parts of asia
    (next year)
    Then you have Tribes which is doing absurdly well for itself, and world of tanks is still going strong. And now we have Mechwarrior coming. To say nothing of Call of duty, battlefield, and Halo's franchises. Which are driven soley by their pvp.

    all of which are taking hits as the east slowly legislates out these sort of games

    Maybe you should go back to your make believe land that you try to pass of as reality. Cause you keep getting slapped own every time you leave it.

    but not by you
    not ever

    you like many PVP fanatics do not realise that the way to win in a discussion is not to make disgusting slurs about people
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited August 2012
    You're so cute. I guess you're trying to get your forum ban even faster this time?

    Me a bully. Fraid not kid. I'm sorry I beat you so hard that you uninstalled the game for a while. Really I am.

    Evidently you care an awful lot about the things I do and don't do. Might as well list em.
    I mean hell, if you really didn't care, kid you wouldn't be so obsessed with me.

    Blizzard is making money hand over fist kid. Activision is as well. They haven't come close to losing money each quarter. The burden of proof is on you.
    You see, the thing is Blizzard doesn't need anywhere need a million subs at this point for wow to be profitable. They have long past the point of return of investment. I know it's hard for you to fathom this kid, but wow's been around for a while, longer than you've been gaming most likely.

    Yeah, again, burden of proof is on you kid. I know you have a vendetta against "mean ole pvpers" but your little vendetta? Doesn't apply to the rest of the world. Especially countries that actually get significant economic production out of pvp.

    See the thing is, Halo etc, they make $ here. Lots of it. It's not just the East. The East actually RTS and MMOs are King.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Just wait until people start getting Fleet Defiants, then it will be active again.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You're so cute. I guess you're trying to get your forum ban even faster this time?
    Discussion of bans (anyones) is not allowed
    Me a bully. Fraid not kid. I'm sorry I beat you so hard that you uninstalled the game for a while. Really I am.

    nope You beat yourself so badly that I walked off the forum for a while because you were annoying me

    Evidently you care an awful lot about the things I do and don't do. Might as well list em.
    I mean hell, if you really didn't care, kid you wouldn't be so obsessed with me.

    you matter no more than anything else that destroys peoples interest in the game

    you sir are a lock box
    Blizzard is making money hand over fist kid
    .

    nope
    they aren't
    Activision is as well. They haven't come close to losing money each quarter. The burden of proof is on you.

    actually the "burden of proof" is on them
    either they are making a smaller profit or they are lying to the IRS
    which do you think is more likely??
    You see, the thing is Blizzard doesn't need anywhere need a million subs at this point for wow to be profitable. They have long past the point of return of investment. I know it's hard for you to fathom this kid, but wow's been around for a while, longer than you've been gaming most likely.

    sad
    you think you are older than me ??
    you behave like you are in the scouts

    i remember when ******** ran on a spectrum
    I remember when blizzard was two guys in a basement

    Yeah, again, burden of proof is on you kid. I know you have a vendetta against "mean ole pvpers" but your little vendetta? Doesn't apply to the rest of the world. Especially countries that actually get significant economic production out of pvp.

    you mean like Korea (who just BANNED micro gambling)
    or China (who are banning games that encourage "person on person violence")

    See the thing is, Halo etc, they make $ here. Lots of it. It's not just the East. The East actually RTS and MMOs are King.

    but as halo is not the case in point (despite the fact it too is in decline)
    what does it matter


    now stop refering to people as "kid" stop refering to peoples Rear ends
    and stop being such a complete lock box
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    ive pvped less since season 6 started, lots of fleet grinding to be done, and i leveled my first new character in over a year and a half. most pvpers can proboly say similar things, and that leaves the ques more empty. its temporary though, last time this happened was when the stfs were the new hotness and everybody didnt have its gear yet
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    sollvax wrote: »

    You act as if I don't pug without vent. I do.


    I've killed T5 ships in a Shuttle. So I have indeed won fights at not only fair, but seriously disadvantaged.

    MVAM vs Bug. Bug has every advantage he has better doffs than I do, better ship, and better gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CPuXgrLwoQ&feature=youtu.be

    So you were saying? Kentucky Fried Crier?

    Ow.

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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Discussion of bans (anyones) is not allowed



    nope You beat yourself so badly that I walked off the forum for a while because you were annoying me

    you matter no more than anything else that destroys peoples interest in the game

    you sir are a lock box

    .

    nope
    they aren't


    actually the "burden of proof" is on them
    either they are making a smaller profit or they are lying to the IRS
    which do you think is more likely??



    sad
    you think you are older than me ??
    you behave like you are in the scouts

    i remember when ******** ran on a spectrum
    I remember when blizzard was two guys in a basement




    you mean like Korea (who just BANNED micro gambling)
    or China (who are banning games that encourage "person on person violence")




    but as halo is not the case in point (despite the fact it too is in decline)
    what does it matter


    now stop refering to people as "kid" stop refering to peoples Rear ends
    and stop being such a complete lock box

    It's okay. We forgive you. Almost. Okay not really.

    lol. You are so adorable when you're butt hurt. You really are.

    Smaller profit, doesn't mean they are Losing Money. The two terms are quite different things. And that smaller profit only refers to wow in particular. As a company they are still making oodles of money over all.
    I suggest you post the overall earnings of Activision/Universal. For the last 5 years. Kid.

    And you behave like a 13 year old, that just got his dreams of being Jim Kirk shattered by a stray overload. Your behavior is actually getting worse if anything, kid.

    No more like, you remember your dad's stories. Cause if you really are old enough for all of that, you should feel pretty ashamed of yourself.

    You do realize pvp doesn't make it's primary (not even close to primary) revenue on gambling right? Oh right you don't. Gaming over there is like Racing, and Sports anywhere else. There's sponsorship deals, tournaments, television network licensing rights, and so much more.

    It matters because your lil facerollin view of the world isn't reality, Kid. Though maybe I should stop calling you a kid. Because I'm being insulting to children when I do so. Janeway Fan.
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited August 2012
    trolls to mav

    like moths to a flame.
  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I dunno about space, but ground PvP is dying because of two things:

    1. People grinding the hell out of Nukara for fleet marks and cryo pulsewaves.
    2. That TRIBBLE P2W MKXII cryo pulsewave upgrade.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    his obsession with butts is very worrying

    also his mad desire to call everyone kid

    So im going to forget he exists again
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    back on topic, although trollvax is undenyable a very entertaining forum (ab)user,

    i really fear that PVP in sto is coming to an end. I sure hope they don't remove it alltogether, but i think thats what goozer was pointing at, before he left :confused: (hope he didn't leave because he saw no way out of the hole STO PVP is in right now)

    in my opinion it will be untouched for another year...if after that nothing happens...then we can count 3 years of untouched PVP content...to me thats dead.
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    his obsession with butts is very worrying

    also his mad desire to call everyone kid

    So im going to forget he exists again

    wtf are you talking about.

    mav is one of our best, and most helpful players.

    why you mad bro?
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Mav is a lock box (something that pops up WAY too often and blocks the screen)



    He spends his time here trying to make decent people QUIT
    and constantly talks about their BUTTS being hurt and their faces being rolled

    this behaviour puts him into the "ignore them and they will go away" catagory
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  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited August 2012
    Since the S6 launch I've noticed that PvP queues -on both Fed and KDF sides- are taking longer and longer to start, especially ground PvP.

    I used to do all my 3-match dailys (arena, assault or CnH) in less than an hour. Now I can spend a whole playing session (usually 4-5 hours) waiting for a PvP engage popup to come up, and even then sometimes it counts down to zero without all players confirming then it's back to square one. So frustrating!

    I understand the new S6 grind-fest might have drawn players away from PvP, what with all the resources you need to upgrade your starbase just to unlock mail or a broken transwarp conduit (Yay...), but seriously, where's the fun in that? Seems more like a job than a game, if you ask me.

    Anyway, is PvP being gradually pushed out of the STO equation? What do you think?

    Cryptic is going to be adding fleetmarks to the PvP ques soon, according to Dan Stahl.
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    PVP is being slowly eliminated from most online games

    Even the nasty vicious ones like WOW and EVE are losing pvp

    Not sure where you saw that, but you've been misinformed. Most of the new school of MMOs that will be rolling out in the next year, are adopting shooter type combat, in favor over the standard lock-on spacebar mash, in order to make PvP more of a challenge. New Game Informer has an article on it.
  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Anyway, is PvP being gradually pushed out of the STO equation? What do you think?

    (EDIT: woah, this post got waay longer than indended...)

    I can only speak for myself. I have at times been very active in pvp, but the last weeks my attendance has been sporadic at best. The reason for this? It's easy: PETS!

    Especially the carrier-escort is borderline gamebreaking IMO, combining extreme DPS with superior CC. 2 of these working together puts an end to almost any pug v pug match.

    Today, after a few days of PvE fleetmark grinding, I thought I'd swing by a match in my sciship. One match, and I went right back to PvE grinding, because that was more fun (and that's saying a lot!!). Ok, I went up against a semi-premade-pugmade, but that didn't make it less painful. As soon as I got near the enemy group, I had 2-3-4 tractorbeams thrown at me from different sides, and was rendered immobile. Adding to the frustration: I could not see the pets tractoring me, because making them visible would lag me out.

    Right now, pvp is less entertaining than pve-grind to me (!). Maybe I'm just burned out, or maybe pvp has finally decended below the fun of grinding? Anyway, I don't see myself queuing much in the near future.

    If it starts rewarding a decent amount of fleetmarks, I may que up more. If I run up against a pet heavy team, I can just not make an effort and let it end quickly. Should be less hassle than pve and about equally boring to grinding pve... If I split my screen I may at least catch up on the news while waiting for it to end. :(

    So for my part, pets killed pvp (for now).
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  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited August 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    PVP is being slowly eliminated from most online games

    Even the nasty vicious ones like WOW and EVE are losing pvp

    i thought 90% of games released on consoles was only about "PVP"
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