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sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,507 Arc User
edited August 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Here's an idea for doing something new with the game:

5 players take lower-tier ships and team up against one player in a tier 5 ship!

Captains would be level 50. But the idea raises a question: How low a tier should the 5 ships be? I would guess, counting the number of boff powers, that five tier 2 ships would be about one tier 5 ship. (Which gives the team 15 boff powers vs the T5's 12, albeit of lower tier, plus 5 times the captain powers, and about two and a half times the weapons.) But what is your opinion? Tier 1 ships? Shuttles? Tier 3 ships?


And who of you would like to try that, and would be available on what side of the encounter? I'd be in for either.
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  • ryanevryanev Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The Tier 5 ship should still have the upper hand. Reasons for this being:
    1) Not all ships will be attacking the T5 ship because at least 1 will be blown up in seconds due to lesser boff slots and less tanking ability
    2) Lesser boff slots means some of the very best abilities won't be used in exchange for more, but not as powerful abilities
    3) Less firepower. True the ships will have more weapons but their net damage will be less due to aftershocks of points 1 and 2 combined with less tactical Slots. That way even a well build escort should be able to tank the incoming damage.


    The idea, however seems interesting. It's all theorycrafting on the forum but in my opinion a well built T5 ships should be able to single a group of T2 and possibly T3 ships.
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We've done this before.

    When TS get busy and everyone gets bored of STFs, we either do a big PVP where your only allowed to have a certain tier of ship. We'd then decide which tier weapon to have and agree not to call in fleet support. It's really fun actually, it's a good excuse to pull out a Gladius or the Exeter or a Nova etc.

    The idea of 5 Tier 2/3 ships against a T5 is interesting but it all depends on whats being flown. A Tier 5 escort can easily pop it's adversaries one at a time. And I cant see them all killing a tank'd up Star Cruiser.
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'd prove that anytime yes.
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  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited July 2012
    Pandas used to go around in tier 3 ships beating teams of tier 5 ships, so yes, it can be done.
  • aytanhiaytanhi Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Here's an idea for doing something new with the game:

    5 players take lower-tier ships and team up against one player in a tier 5 ship!

    Captains would be level 50. But the idea raises a question: How low a tier should the 5 ships be? I would guess, counting the number of boff powers, that five tier 2 ships would be about one tier 5 ship. (Which gives the team 15 boff powers vs the T5's 12, albeit of lower tier, plus 5 times the captain powers, and about two and a half times the weapons.) But what is your opinion? Tier 1 ships? Shuttles? Tier 3 ships?


    And who of you would like to try that, and would be available on what side of the encounter? I'd be in for either.

    Better idea would be 3 average players vs 1 really good player all on the same tier.

    Or just go on drozana and RP yourself into a 5 v 1 (did it before) and roll them 15/0.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Tier 2 is about the point where it's too low to get anywhere (you have Lt. skills at best across the board). Lt. Com. is perfectly serviceable and opens up at Tier 3.

    Also bear in mind that weapons don't "downgrade" simply because they're on a lower tier ship. You can strap DHCs to a Miranda quite happily.
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  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    hurleybird wrote: »
    Pandas used to go around in tier 3 ships beating teams of tier 5 ships, so yes, it can be done.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50hKr35Oljg


    I think thats the only vid we got on it :p
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    aytanhi wrote: »
    Better idea would be 3 average players vs 1 really good player all on the same tier.

    Or just go on drozana and RP yourself into a 5 v 1 (did it before) and roll them 15/0.
    I love this more than I can really express.
    Tier 2 is about the point where it's too low to get anywhere (you have Lt. skills at best across the board). Lt. Com. is perfectly serviceable and opens up at Tier 3.

    Also bear in mind that weapons don't "downgrade" simply because they're on a lower tier ship. You can strap DHCs to a Miranda quite happily.
    What about that "hidden tier modifier" thing? I think those same DHC's will actually do less on that Miranda. I could be wrong though.
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    that only applies to your captain rank. Your level bonus comesf rom the captain level not the ship.
  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Really, is this what PVP has come to? Indulging forum clowns "RP Fantasies"?

    Ask yourselves this.

    Is PVP becoming that bad that you have to resort to RP? Really? Really?
  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    naz4 wrote: »
    Really, is this what PVP ha come to? Indulging forum clowns "RP Fantasies"?

    Ask yourselves this.

    Is PVP becoming that bad that you have to resort to RP? Really? Really?

    /faceroll

    I'm just biding my time till Mechwarrior comes :P Then we'll see if I can finally put STO into the ground where it belongs?
  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    MWO doesn't seem to think my laptop made of gummed-together AOL free trial CDs is worth handing out a beta key too... still pending :(
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  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    are you stardagger in disguise?
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  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    you could always ask the pandas to get on there tier 3 ships
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    MWO doesn't seem to think my laptop made of gummed-together AOL free trial CDs is worth handing out a beta key too... still pending :(

    This is exactly why I will never buy a "gaming laptop" the very concept is a joke and ultimately a dead end for upgradability.

    If need be I will simply shove parts at my PC till it can handle Mechwarrior. (I think I should be good to go if I can run RIFT on High settings, even in pvp)
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    shuttles have more health then teir 1 ships.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    naz4 wrote: »
    Really, is this what PVP has come to? Indulging forum clowns "RP Fantasies"?

    Ask yourselves this.

    Is PVP becoming that bad that you have to resort to RP? Really? Really?

    Hey, some RP is fun
    Sometimes I'm the pool man and my Wife is the lady that can't pay.....
    Sometimes its pizza delivery and she has no cash.......
    Sometimes its just as simple as caveman and cavewoman.....
    But some RP is fun.

    I haven't convinced her to bring the pain yet, but I feel confident that PvP and RP can be combined one day.


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  • ebeneezergoodeebeneezergoode Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Five tier three ships would slaughter a single opponent if competently driven, and tier two ships are just too fragile. I know from taking a K't'inga into Ker'rat that you'll stand a decent chance against an incompetent opponent, and can survive for a surprising amount of time against a decent one. K't'inga may not be the best example however as it has four forward weapon slots, and is only a tac console away from having basic firepower on a par with a Hegh'ta or B'rel if equipped with endgame gear.
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    MWO doesn't seem to think my laptop made of gummed-together AOL free trial CDs is worth handing out a beta key too... still pending :(

    Have you considered using bluetac? My PC lives and dies depending on it's flexibility.
    you could always ask the pandas to get on there tier 3 ships

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    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Hey, some RP is fun
    Sometimes I'm the pool man and my Wife is the lady that can't pay.....
    Sometimes its pizza delivery and she has no cash.......
    Sometimes its just as simple as caveman and cavewoman.....
    But some RP is fun.

    Has she told you about the "Being swept off her feet by a dashing sophisticated englishman RP" ? She loves that one, well... so i'm told! *Makes haste away from the Klingon, clutching his monocle & cane*
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    i don't understand this thread.

    shouldnt people need to get good with the best ships they have before you go and challenge them with a lower tier one?

    i mean....i rarely ever gloat about anything really, i call myself an average player...

    but i roll 5 man pug teams single handed these days. completely making any contribution by my pug teammates null and void. they might as well not even be there.

    and then i get rage pm's from random "i dont know horizon so imma call him a cheater nubtards" when i out heal engie cruisers, and do 7-10 times everyone elses damage.

    look, if you are the only one being shot at, you are the only one that needs to be healed. and since no one else is healing me i have to do it myself.

    sophie your idea is ****. just like your builds, and your play. good players do this for lulz, when they have the downtime to actually outfit an old ship for those lulz.

    so, no.

    just no.

    and stop clogging up the forums with this **** man.
  • houseofcritzhouseofcritz Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i don't understand this thread.

    shouldnt people need to get good with the best ships they have before you go and challenge them with a lower tier one?

    i mean....i rarely ever gloat about anything really, i call myself an average player...

    but i roll 5 man pug teams single handed these days. completely making any contribution by my pug teammates null and void. they might as well not even be there.

    and then i get rage pm's from random "i dont know horizon so imma call him a cheater nubtards" when i out heal engie cruisers, and do 7-10 times everyone elses damage.

    look, if you are the only one being shot at, you are the only one that needs to be healed. and since no one else is healing me i have to do it myself.

    sophie your idea is ****. just like your builds, and your play. good players do this for lulz, when they have the downtime to actually outfit an old ship for those lulz.

    so, no.

    just no.

    and stop clogging up the forums with this **** man.

    Dont hold back Horizon tell us how you really feel.
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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I've been toying a bit with the idea of mixed tier ships, as a way to unite PvP across the tiers, and make leveling by PvP more viable.

    One idea, could be to let lower tier ships enter T5 arena matches as "extras". Each time a T5 arena pops, it could pull in 2-3 low tier ships on each team. Killing these ships would not count towards victory score. From a T5 player point of view, they would just be like manned pets.

    (the lower tier ships would necessarily need to be level-matched?)
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    At least the Idea nolonger revolves around 1v1....

    Though this is just as bad.. :rolleyes:
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  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Here's an idea for doing something new with the game:

    5 players take lower-tier ships and team up against one player in a tier 5 ship!

    Captains would be level 50. But the idea raises a question: How low a tier should the 5 ships be? I would guess, counting the number of boff powers, that five tier 2 ships would be about one tier 5 ship. (Which gives the team 15 boff powers vs the T5's 12, albeit of lower tier, plus 5 times the captain powers, and about two and a half times the weapons.) But what is your opinion? Tier 1 ships? Shuttles? Tier 3 ships?


    And who of you would like to try that, and would be available on what side of the encounter? I'd be in for either.

    if all the powers stayed equal across the board it would work, but

    emergency power to shields 1 on a teir 1 ships only heals about 100 shields.

    that same power on a tier 5 heals about what... 1500?

    youd need at least 10 tier 1 and shuttles to take on a teir 5. and thatd have to be a bad tier 5 player.

    shuttles for the win!
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Has she told you about the "Being swept off her feet by a dashing sophisticated englishman RP" ? She loves that one, well... so i'm told! *Makes haste away from the Klingon, clutching his monocle & cane*

    Lol. Yes actually . My family holds land and is from the old country, hers is prodimately Welsh. We have done the proper English gent and even the Oliver twist of " Please mum, may i have another". I salute your humor Sir. Good show,jolly good.
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