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azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Klingon Discussion
It took Cryptic 2 weeks to repair the consoles on Qo'nos. Which costed the Empire 6,720 Dilithum. And for fleets, you know that much Dilithum would easily fuel 2/3 of a Tier 0 Project. Then multiply it of the number of members in your fleet that was unable to collect.

We deserve compensation.
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  • brackynewsbrackynews Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I was coming here expecting a chuckle, but I agree. ;)
    One faction being broken while the other wasn't, clearly isn't a Lore systems issue.
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    You know it'll never happen....
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If the same happened to the Feds, they wouldn't get compensation either
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    So it's okay for us to go without 2 weeks and they did? Especially with Dilithum being reflection of our time invested in this game. And on top of it, Cryptic charging us tons of Dilithum for these starbases? I would like that Dilithum that I should've gotten.

    Unless you're saying Cryptic doesn't care about Klingon players.
  • drasketodrasketo Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    First off, if it happened to the Feds, it would have been fixed that same day.

    Second, they dont care. Every update proves that.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    So it's okay for us to go without 2 weeks and they did? Especially with Dilithum being reflection of our time invested in this game. And on top of it, Cryptic charging us tons of Dilithum for these starbases? I would like that Dilithum that I should've gotten.

    Unless you're saying Cryptic doesn't care about Klingon players.
    I'm stating a fact: that regardless of what might have happened with the Dilithilum mission, whether it was 2 weeks or the next day, Cryptic would not give compensation.

    As I understand it, while they can change the internal code and stuff, they are unable to directly do that kind of thing, especially with so many players who would need that compensation.
    drasketo wrote: »
    First off, if it happened to the Feds, it would have been fixed that same day.

    Second, they dont care. Every update proves that.
    I am SICK and tired of seeing that...

    *sigh* Cryptic wants to boost the KDF up, they've shown this multiple times. But due to many internal discussions and issues and etc, they have to make decisions.

    That's not not caring. That's calculated business decisions. As much as we wish otherwise, making content for a faction with only 18% playerbase is not profitable, and thus is forced to be taken a backseat to more profitable gains.

    But it does not mean they don't care. Never has meant that.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    obvious answer is the execute the person responsible for incompetence (this is a klingon doff mission reference)

    but as thats unlikely perhaps turn off the FED ones for an equal time??
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Doubt Cryptic is going to do that.

    Still be nice show of faith on their part if they at least say sorry. But they should take responsibility of and give us the time-currency we were denied due to these bugs.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    You have already recived compensation: The 700 Zen C-Store EVA suit.

    /sarcasm off
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    How would you assign compensation? Would my inactive KDF alt for example get a nice dilithium lump sum? Would you have had to have logged X days of doing the lore daily in order to qualify?

  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Check my play logs, I've been playing my KDF toon EVERY day since S6 was released, and I too want the dilithium I've been cheated out of because the lore console has been broken.

    My 1 KDF toon is the ONLY toon I play- check it and you'll see I'm being truthful.

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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    If the same happened to the Feds, they wouldn't get compensation either

    I would have never happened to the Feds. The patch would have never went live with a Fed issue of this kind. Point refuted.
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  • phyrexianherophyrexianhero Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    While I agree it is very unfortunate that this bug took 2 weeks to resolve, there are many methods to obtaining dilithium.
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bloctoad wrote: »
    I would have never happened to the Feds. The patch would have never went live with a Fed issue of this kind. Point refuted.
    Point is not refuted, because it's not part of the issue... the point was even if it had happened to the Feds, regardless of how soon/long it got fixed, we wouldn't get compensation either.

    Saying it would be fixed right away is not part of that point. Just saying
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    What consoles are these and how do you even get dilithium from them?

    I never noticed because its so much more easy to make dil on my KDF characters then on my FEDs due to all the extra pvp missions KDF gets.
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  • queetzqueetz Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I for one am just happy that the bug was fixed. In principle, we should be compensated for the lost opportunity of obtaining the dilithium from the broken lore terminals. We all do make mistakes and all, but at the end of the day, Cryptic did fix it. :)

    Now if only they can fix that broken 2/2 Biogenic Weaponization Doff mission... :(
  • drowrulesupremedrowrulesupreme Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just a quick point but I was able to do the daily lore mission TWICE on my KDF toons from the moment it was fixed (did it once and was able to do it again immediately). Okay, it's not compensation but it was a nice bug which worked out for me. Did anyone else notice this glitch in our favour? I would imagine that anyone with multiple KDF toons would have been quite happy to get 960dil instead of 480 even if it was only once.
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  • flekhflekh Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just a quick point but I was able to do the daily lore mission TWICE on my KDF toons from the moment it was fixed (did it once and was able to do it again immediately). Okay, it's not compensation but it was a nice bug which worked out for me. Did anyone else notice this glitch in our favour? I would imagine that anyone with multiple KDF toons would have been quite happy to get 960dil instead of 480 even if it was only once.

    Not a bug, nor glitch, nor anything.
    Just the way mission cooldowns work.
    Mission cooldowns start on accepting a mission, not on turn-in.
    And we've all sat on that one for two weeks now, so ...

    Seriously though, who cares about those 480 dil per day?
    Dilithium farming is the one thing that KDF has no problems with at all.
    We're talking about all the effort of doing one Pi Canis and two Empire Defenses to make up for the missed Dil. About an hour or two, total, over two weeks. 5-10 minutes per day. Hardly a problem.
    I'm a lot more angry about missing out on the actual lore data chips than about the dilithium ... and even that's not too terrible.

    The only real issue is, that if it had happened on Fed, they'd probably hotfixed it the same day, while for KDF it wasn't even worth a patch note when they finally did fix it after weeks. THAT is indeed something to be angry about, and nothing you can really compensate for.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    flekh wrote: »
    Not a bug, nor glitch, nor anything.
    Just the way mission cooldowns work.
    Mission cooldowns start on accepting a mission, not on turn-in.
    And we've all sat on that one for two weeks now, so ...

    Seriously though, who cares about those 480 dil per day?
    Dilithium farming is the one thing that KDF has no problems with at all.
    We're talking about all the effort of doing one Pi Canis and two Empire Defenses to make up for the missed Dil. About an hour or two, total, over two weeks. 5-10 minutes per day. Hardly a problem.
    I'm a lot more angry about missing out on the actual lore data chips than about the dilithium ... and even that's not too terrible.

    The only real issue is, that if it had happened on Fed, they'd probably hotfixed it the same day, while for KDF it wasn't even worth a patch note when they finally did fix it after weeks. THAT is indeed something to be angry about, and nothing you can really compensate for.
    Not in the patch notes? Uh... check the 23rd patch notes again, it's in the first bulletin under Missions stuff:

    "The console for Klingon Lore missions has been reactived."
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  • flekhflekh Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    Not in the patch notes? Uh... check the 23rd patch notes again, it's in the first bulletin under Missions stuff:

    "The console for Klingon Lore missions has been reactived."

    You mean the one that's currently missing in the release notes forum?
    And no, it wasn't in the initial notes they posted there. At least not the ones I read while my launcher was patching.
    Hard to prove to you, though, my time machine is broken and I really didn't antiticipate I'd need to screenshot the absence of something. ;)
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    flekh wrote: »
    You mean the one that's currently missing in the release notes forum?
    And no, it wasn't in the initial notes they posted there. At least not the ones I read while my launcher was patching.
    Hard to prove to you, though, my time machine is broken and I really didn't antiticipate I'd need to screenshot the absence of something. ;)
    While I can't speak for initial unedited patch notes, it's there now in the 26th patch notes, just as the second bulletin under Missions.
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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    Point is not refuted, because it's not part of the issue... the point was even if it had happened to the Feds, regardless of how soon/long it got fixed, we wouldn't get compensation either.

    Saying it would be fixed right away is not part of that point. Just saying

    The point is it would have never happened to Feds. It would have been fixed before the patch went live. Therefore the opportunity for compensation would never take place. Whether you believe you would receive compensation or not is then irrelevant.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bloctoad wrote: »
    The point is it would have never happened to Feds. It would have been fixed before the patch went live. Therefore the opportunity for compensation would never take place. Whether you believe you would receive compensation or not is then irrelevant.

    Oh come off it. There were Feds reporting trouble with Second Wave too, and the tailor is messed up for everyone.

    It isn't some sort of anti-klingon conspiracy.
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    kimmera wrote: »
    Oh come off it. There were Feds reporting trouble with Second Wave too, and the tailor is messed up for everyone.

    It isn't some sort of anti-klingon conspiracy.

    Were the Fed lore missions broken? Was the Fed mining daily broken? Are the Fed Diplomacy Boffs broken? Does docking at ESD send you to the wrong location? Was the Fed Cadet daily broken?

    These are just some prime examples of KDF only bugs since January.
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