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How to down a bug ship 1v1

emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
edited July 2012 in PvP Gameplay
i have no idea, i am asking :0

met some bugs in my day but fought this one guy had ultimate setup couldnt put the haymaker down on him

oh he died when he had 50 leech stacked... so dont say leech :/
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  • aytanhiaytanhi Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Doesn't the answer to that question depend on what ship you are commanding yourself? So, what is your ship?

    *Facepalm

    You've fought this guy so many times and still don't know. He flies a Bird of prey.
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  • aytanhiaytanhi Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    emoejoe wrote: »
    i have no idea, i am asking :0

    met some bugs in my day but fought this one guy had ultimate setup couldnt put the haymaker down on him

    oh he died when he had 50 leech stacked... so dont say leech :/

    "Leech" + Boarding Party + Subnuke + Viral Matrix + phasers + aceton assimilator + drain drones lol.
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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    aytanhi wrote: »
    *Facepalm

    You've fought this guy so many times and still don't know. He flies a Bird of prey.

    I guess that explains why he flies the zombie builds... he isn't really there. Perhaps he was posting on the forums all those times Mini was trying to bomb him. lmao
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    aytanhi wrote: »
    *Facepalm

    You've fought this guy so many times and still don't know. He flies a Bird of prey.

    could that be the problem? is the hardened escort that is bug ship simply too powerful to be alphaed in the traditional bop manner? ill accept this as truth eventually, but there has got to be a way...........

    boardign party! thats it....

    *to the drawing board








    *rips up drawing..
    no thats not it....
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  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    A BoP should be able to hit-and-run the Jem'Hadar Attack ship... if that is seen as an acceptable tactic in the match (for some reason, some people seem to believe it is not). Cloak, approach, wait until everything is ready for an alpha strike, hit the alpha strike buttons, decloak, attack, retreat, cloak, repeat.

    but alas, the jem ship (wisely) holds his buffs for the last possible second, cycles two omegas and two tac teams so there isnt any window of vulnerability. vm is met with red matter capacitor. even with jump console nigh impossible to get a psw3 on a bug (1v1)

    i could have had a bunch of bad rolls but no. trico crits bouncing off em! ill come back later and see if any worthy ideas popped up. but yes logimo, that is exactly what i do, problem is, it doesnt work vs bug ships who know whats going on
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    A BoP should be able to hit-and-run the Jem'Hadar Attack ship... if that is seen as an acceptable tactic in the match (for some reason, some people seem to believe it is not). Cloak, approach, wait until everything is ready for an alpha strike, hit the alpha strike buttons, decloak, attack, retreat, cloak, repeat.

    Well, that must be the problem then, um, emoejoe was it? You must not have a very good alpha strike...

    Mini, in case you've been sleeping on some of the other threads, this girl is Special Needs. Just pat her head and otherwise ignore her.
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  • rooster75rooster75 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    emoejoe wrote: »
    i have no idea, i am asking :0

    met some bugs in my day but fought this one guy had ultimate setup couldnt put the haymaker down on him

    oh he died when he had 50 leech stacked... so dont say leech :/

    The bugship has been wrongly buffed that it is in a class by itself at least until fleets start unlocking more ships. The worst thing by far I've encountered is the premades that are all flying lockbox ships. There is nothing quite like running into a team of bugships. It makes one wonder if these pilots actually do have any skill at all or are just hiding behind this broken ship. I can, at least have a little respect for a pilot that pugs. Not much...but a little.
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  • bawj4wsbawj4ws Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's not very often I've been popped by a decloaking vessel in my jemmy, even if it's the old tricbomb manoeuvre. Debuffs usually are my undoing. Sensor scan being the worst of the bunch.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If he's flying two copies of RSP (and yeah, not kidding, I've seen this happen) then you're kinda SoL. He probably has the console slots to survive a BoP tricobalt and he's going to out-turn you as well, there's really not much you can specifically do in a duel scenario. Best I can recommend is hard CC, like I'm talking VM PSW TB TBR GW style.
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  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Jem'Hadar attack ship?

    It has as much hull as a Kar'fi (34,500 base), more speed than any other ship (0.22 mod), as much shield strength as a cruiser or Vo'quv carrier (1.00 mod), 20 base turnrate (Hegh'ta has 21, Qin raptor has 15), one of the best bo layout for an escort, 5 tact consoles, 4 eng consoles and one sci console.

    No sorry, if the guy piloting it is as good as you, you can't beat him.
    It's simply the best escort and probably the most OP ship in the game.
  • criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Could always beam her aboard: http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/crimsonoa/klinkopen.png klinks are good at sucking one dry.
  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited July 2012
    Bugs with AMS are disgusting as well.
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Against Omega users in general tac buffed TBR goes straight to the hull and they eat every pulse unless they run. And it has no arc so turn rate doesn't help them.
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  • shailatshailat Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Doesn't the answer to that question depend on what ship you are commanding yourself? So, what is your ship?

    LOL I'm mostly a grounder and even i know this guy Fly's a Very Powerful BOP, usually when i see this guy decloak and if I'm not on a good team I'm saying what data said when the enterprise crashed.
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    aytanhi wrote: »
    *Facepalm

    You've fought this guy so many times and still don't know. He flies a Bird of prey.

    That's because he goes down so fast and easy to Mini's guns that he doesn't have time to see what just sent him to the respawn point.
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    1. soph, just stop man, you're killing me.

    2. damn bug ships.

    3. ran into blackjack in his last night in a pug. you all know that guy is hella nasty in whatever he flies anyways. dude was rocking leech and the new fangled polaron proc with 5 pol consoles and stuff.

    for **** sake, with only him targeting me i had 8 leeches stacked when he stacked a couple polaron procs on me. its just nasty stuff man. you can't hang with that unless you bring it yourself.

    i managed to get a kill in on him while he was tanking my 4 laughable fed pugmates. oh, he had bad puggies too. i had a field day picking them off until he realized i had decloacked.

    ah, the wonders of ship building in this cryptic world.

    have fun kill bad guys
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    shailat wrote: »
    LOL I'm mostly a grounder and even i know this guy Fly's a Very Powerful BOP, usually when i see this guy decloak and if I'm not on a good team I'm saying what data said when the enterprise crashed.

    after a year of trying to get my wife to like trek, it took this scene to get her into the fold. Data is still her all time favorite, and she quotes and references him often.

    (as a nerd i love this of course)
  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    1. soph, just stop man, you're killing me.

    2. damn bug ships.

    3. ran into blackjack in his last night in a pug. you all know that guy is hella nasty in whatever he flies anyways. dude was rocking leech and the new fangled polaron proc with 5 pol consoles and stuff.

    for **** sake, with only him targeting me i had 8 leeches stacked when he stacked a couple polaron procs on me. its just nasty stuff man. you can't hang with that unless you bring it yourself.

    i managed to get a kill in on him while he was tanking my 4 laughable fed pugmates. oh, he had bad puggies too. i had a field day picking them off until he realized i had decloacked.

    ah, the wonders of ship building in this cryptic world.

    have fun kill bad guys

    which has got me thinking. kling side, would i go khg or omega? either way.
  • criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    PvP has turned even more to meh. Good think i found other things to keep my gaming needs meet. So, when PvP imo is meh whats left?
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    criminius wrote: »
    PvP has turned even more to meh. Good think i found other things to keep my gaming needs meet. So, when PvP imo is meh whats left?

    MWO hiatus?
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  • criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
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  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    emoejoe wrote: »
    i have no idea, i am asking :0

    Put your hands together and pray real hard that the bug captain is rubbish.

    Against a good bug captain? Not a chance. You might be able to survive him if you're built for tanking but he'll be able to survive you quite easily, even if he's built for pure DPS.

    Which is of course why you see so much of this ship in PvP. It moves at lightning speeds, tanks like crazy and deals insane damage. I don't think Cryptic factors in how big of a boost manoeuvrability gives to survivability. With such an escort, why fly any other.
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  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    http://mwomercs.com/media/videos/

    I'll never leave STO for good, but this will cause another hiatus for me.
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well... First thing you have to know I guess is what defenses does a Bug ship typically takes with it?

    Omega? Polarized hull? Evasive Doffs? Aux to Damp? HE? TSS? EPTS? RSP? Tac Team?

    Then you probobly need to know what it's Armaments are.. And it's Defenses...

    MACO/KHG shield? Tet Glider? Borg? (Doubtful) Jem'Hadar?

    Is it using Polaron? Tetryon? Antiproton? Phaser? Disruptor? Some Hybrid?

    Are there Torpedos involved?

    What about Mines?

    As a BoP, you should probobly be Observing the enemy ship in battle before trying to Engage it and kill it. Watching what powers it's using. Weapons. And so forth. Watching for Procs and such.

    If your in a 1 v 1 Match, as a BoP, you may be making a Mistake. Because there is no Surprise at that point. They know you are there. They can eaisly have their fingers on their Key Binds or Powers needed to defend against your Decloak/Alpha Strike. Then it's just a matter of Whiping around and blowing you up. It's why, when ever we've 1v1ed, you had a hard time, if ever, of beating me. Because I'd know your there. And it's just a matter of waiting for you.

    Powers that you could use to defeat, in Theory, a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship:
    Viral Matrix + Doffs
    Chroniton Torpedoes/Mines
    Photonic Shockwave
    Phasers
    Polaron + Plasmonic Leech
    Tractor Beam
    SNB Doffs
    Eject Warp Plasma
    CPB + Tet Glider + Tetryon Weapons/Hybrids could maybe work
    Just to name some Ideas that come to mind.
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  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    How Mav defeats a bug.

    He gets a Recon, or his mvam, and four buddies to go beat one to death the hard way.
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    mavairo wrote: »
    How Mav defeats a bug.

    He gets a Recon, or his mvam, and four buddies to go beat one to death the hard way.

    Can it be a Tholian Orb instead of a Recon? :D
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  • thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited July 2012
    webdeath wrote: »
    Can it be a Tholian Orb instead of a Recon? :D

    god no. i hate that damn web.
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