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Monetizing Perfect World's Latest Update

aoav160aoav160 Member Posts: 447 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Klingon Discussion
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Cuz they have to protect that 34% net profit? ;)

    Considering that this game is licensed and not built from the ground up like their other MMOs, I have to wonder how much STO contributes to PW's bottom line. With their other games, they get all of the profits. With STO, either CBS gets a flat check or a share of the profits before PW gets anything.

    For all we know that $2.4m is covering all those previous months.

    Of course PW doesn't break their public numbers down by game (At least none of us have found them) so we'll never know.

    Plus they have that pending legal problem with those lock boxes that got linked to a couple of days ago.

    edit: Can't find the link right off but a quick google pulls up this one:

    http://iqu.com/blog/star-trek-online-lock-box-drama-and-danish-law
  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    That seeking alpha article's estimations are based on very questionable "calculations".
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    aoav160 wrote: »

    Becuase according to the inside scoop from some;
    Originally Posted by stoleviathan99

    On the whole (and Thomas, dstahl and others are exceptions; this is a generalization):

    They don't like leveling and auto-level themselves. They don't like reading. They aren't big on story heavy missions. They are not personally big into fashion or customization.

    They like playing auto-leveled Klingons. They aren't as big on playing Feds except for debugging. They like shooting things. They really like shooting things. They really hate reading.

    KDF side at level 50 is pretty much the developer's dream version of the game and what they'd play at home.

    Evidently they are trapped by the demands of PWE for profit over substance and thier own desire to just shoot things without reason.

    Why push efforts into any faction that doesn't spend the money to feed the former and put substance into the latter if it doesn't result in mindless pew pew player purchasing?

    It seems MMO's are no longer games to immerse a player but are only semi-directionless versions of purchase driven FPS's. Story and substance need not apply.
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  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    As a business PWE will channel the money into parts of the game which generate revenue and that is most obvious the Federation. A Something more for KDF would be greatly appreciated, but with the current business model and executives in place I don't see a chnage to the Fed first policy.

    The sad thing is the Federation players don't realize how they are milked for their money.
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    As a business PWE will channel the money into parts of the game which generate revenue and that is most obvious the Federation. A Something more for KDF would be greatly appreciated, but with the current business model and executives in place I don't see a chnage to the Fed first policy.

    The sad thing is the Federation players don't realize how they are milked for their money.

    Money which is not being used to improve the game but create the next Fed milking lockbox or C-Store trinket. But the kids continue to eat up these albums like valiums.
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  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I would not have an issue if they took the KDF and used it as an endgame unlock rather than a second Faction. I would PREFER they finish it, of course.

    The biggest roadblock I see is the audacity and ego we get glimpses of form the team. The 16% statement has bothered me most, as I couldn't quite put my finger on why it was absolute hogwash until today.

    If they see a 16% popularity for Klingons (specifically Klingons, mind you) at Cons, on StarTrek.com, or wherever they datamined, and thought that was directly applicable to STO, then we will need to wait for a regime change in Cryptic's offices. In fact, taking your complaints directly to PWE might be a better way to spend time focused on it.

    What 16% of the Trekkers and Trekkies do is of little consequence here.

    This isn't a Con, its an MMO. I don't continue to play STO because it's Trek. I play it because it's a SciFi MMO. And if you want to maintain an MMO, you need factional game play. You need to spread your efforts into the second Faction, at least make the appearance that the faction has advocates on the Development Team, and make absolutely sure it has the appearance of equal-but-different gameplay.

    The Hoard may not outnumber the Alliance, but it isn't 16% that's for sure. The Sith don't appear to be getting any less attention than The Republic, and they're happily chugging along well over what I see here for the KDF.

    You simply cannot look to Star Trek and say "The people [who attend Cons] don't want a second Faction"

    You MUST look to other MMOs and realize that your playerbase, and your IP holder, are best served by dedicating your resources to BOTH factions. You sell the Federation to Trekkies and Trekkers. You sell the Empire to GAMERS.
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  • snowlilisnowlili Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Evidently they are trapped by the demands of PWE for profit over substance and thier own desire to just shoot things without reason.

    The following is from your own website:
    Gates: Do you play a KDF character? If so, please tell us about your toon and some of your more memorable (best and worst) experiences playing as a Klingon.

    Dan: Only occasionally when I want to test some new content. Like most of our players, I prefer to play my Federation character, ?Oaks?.

    Then there is history.

    Aren't all the parties involved responsible?

    No one has been able to clearly answer this question: If Stafleet players are the majority, and if ST is such a huge IP, why couldn't STO sustain itself as a P2P model?

    Didn't Cash Shop also exist, while the game was still P2P?

    I would like to add that, evidently, 'most of the players' aren't on Starfleet, most of the players left. :)
  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    snowlili wrote: »
    Aren't all the parties involved responsible?

    No one has been able to clearly answer this question: If Stafleet players are the majority, and if ST is such a huge IP, why couldn't STO sustain itself as a P2P model?

    Didn't Cash Shop also exist, while the game was still P2P?

    I would like to add that, evidently, 'most of the players' aren't on Starfleet, most of the players left. :)

    This this, y'all.

    Trillions of trek dollars all spent on Spock ears, but nothing left over for STO.

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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    snowlili wrote: »
    The following is from your own website:



    Then there is history.

    Aren't all the parties involved responsible?

    No one has been able to clearly answer this question: If Stafleet players are the majority, and if ST is such a huge IP, why couldn't STO sustain itself as a P2P model?

    Didn't Cash Shop also exist, while the game was still P2P?

    I would like to add that, evidently, 'most of the players' aren't on Starfleet, most of the players left. :)

    I remember this question being posed in a previous thread with you along with Roach and I attempting in vain to get someone to actually answer this question. It quickly degenerated into more yelling and club brandishing from the Fed party. But no one was able to answer the question.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    snowlili wrote: »
    The following is from your own website:



    Then there is history.

    Aren't all the parties involved responsible?

    No one has been able to clearly answer this question: If Stafleet players are the majority, and if ST is such a huge IP, why couldn't STO sustain itself as a P2P model?

    Didn't Cash Shop also exist, while the game was still P2P?

    I would like to add that, evidently, 'most of the players' aren't on Starfleet, most of the players left. :)

    You missed the sarcasm of my post it seems as the post I was quoting from would have us think that the Devs like the KDF (which is true it seems) but only for the Pew Pew (which is not entirely true it seems). So the question is, why so little depth to the KDF outside of the PewPew?

    As to why STO could not survive as a P2P game, I could not say. I bought a lifer sub so it would but things did not work out that way and have been on shaky ground ever since.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    As a business PWE will channel the money into parts of the game which generate revenue and that is most obvious the Federation. A Something more for KDF would be greatly appreciated, but with the current business model and executives in place I don't see a chnage to the Fed first policy.

    The sad thing is the Federation players don't realize how they are milked for their money.

    Fed first policy...more like fed only policy. >.<

    I'm still hoping for updates to the KDF but seems like the fire dies a little more as each month goes by.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I'm trying to figure out where the quoted article is getting its' numbers from.
    Approximate tier construction costs were $35, $116, $233, $466, and $699 USD respectively for castles one through five (for detailed calculations see the comments section). Given that the last castle builds upon successive renditions, each top tier building is worth potentially $1,550 in sales for Cryptic.

    Note that the "detailed calculations" don't appear anywhere on the page, let alone the source for these costs. Last I checked, I didn't spend one dime on any starbase project. I have not purchased Dilithium, nor have I purchased any other required resource with real money. I do support the game by buying and spending Zen, but it has nothing to do with starbases so far.

    All indications are that Cryptic intends for Fleet Ship Modules and possibly Dilithium and Duty Officer purchases to monetize starbases. But these "costs" seem to have been pulled out of thin air as far as I can tell.

    Not that I can take the author all that seriously when he refers to starbases as "space castles".
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I too do not believe the 16-18% number. I have often thought it is more like that number who only play the KDF, and don't have a Federation character. I feel it's more like 60% up who play the KDF at least once a week and/or have at least one KDF character.
    Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
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