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mettlemickymettlemicky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2012 in PvP Gameplay
I know several things have been tried in the past to try and unify (please excuse my spelling left school over 20 years ago ;p) all the fleets that pvp as premades, hell even if fleet members go pug.

I know, and im sure you all do, the thread Naz set up "fleet directory" where each fleet posted their contact details, time zones etc etc, and the latest one 4monkeys set up to try and unify the community. Can we all of us just arrange a meeting place in game on a set date to say what is acceptable and what is not in regards to stuff used in pre-mades and hell even if we go pug?

The way I see it, is that the majority of pvp'ers all belong to a fleet of some sort, so if the majority all stick to the outcome of propposed meeting, would that not mean that the majority of the PvP community are keeping it within the agreements, spreading the word to other pvp'ers old and new.

Majority of pvp comunity following agreement = more and more enjoyable matches = more and more pvp'ers

So lets all say sod it, bury grudges if any, man up, attend meeting, follow out come of meeting.

I proppose set the meeting one month from now, give everyone plenty of notice to ensure they can attend:

1) Max of three members per fleet attends,
2) If not in a fleet come on your own,
3) Items that can be used in pvp all voted on, simple aye or nay, vote carries forward,

It really is as simple as that. If you all care about PvP in STO then lets at least give it a shot, the more that sign up, the more chance of this succeding. Yea there are gonna be idiots that sod it ill use what ever, but the majority CAN make a differnce.

Hell ill even host the meeting if needed, just say the word.

PLEASE REPLY ONLY IF YOU ARE IN FAVOUR AND AT LEAST WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY
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  • kinetic78kinetic78 Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I love u tex :)

    :eek:
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    And all you're going to get are the people trying to resolve the issues, not the ones causing them.
  • talzerotwotalzerotwo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    is it possible to do this in forums or maybe do it as well in forums? times zones and life is being a ***** as far as reps go
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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Good luck with that. Lets be honest you are forgetting the troll factor. Some of us just like to watch the world bur... uh I mean. No one is going to ever agree on everything... such is the way of life. If a "ruling" council tries to invoke a rules to live by accord... it will die shortly after. When the first fleet or one person decides it might be fun to watch people fight.

    I for one DO NOT want everyone to get along... what the HeDoubeHockeysticks will I do for fun then.

    FIGHT fight FIGHT. Its more entertaining. :)
  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I know several things have been tried in the past to try and unify (please excuse my spelling left school over 20 years ago ;p) all the fleets that pvp as premades, hell even if fleet members go pug.

    I know, and im sure you all do, the thread Naz set up "fleet directory" where each fleet posted their contact details, time zones etc etc, and the latest one 4monkeys set up to try and unify the community. Can we all of us just arrange a meeting place in game on a set date to say what is acceptable and what is not in regards to stuff used in pre-mades and hell even if we go pug?

    The way I see it, is that the majority of pvp'ers all belong to a fleet of some sort, so if the majority all stick to the outcome of propposed meeting, would that not mean that the majority of the PvP community are keeping it within the agreements, spreading the word to other pvp'ers old and new.

    Majority of pvp comunity following agreement = more and more enjoyable matches = more and more pvp'ers

    So lets all say sod it, bury grudges if any, man up, attend meeting, follow out come of meeting.

    I proppose set the meeting one month from now, give everyone plenty of notice to ensure they can attend:

    1) Max of three members per fleet attends,
    2) If not in a fleet come on your own,
    3) Items that can be used in pvp all voted on, simple aye or nay, vote carries forward,

    It really is as simple as that. If you all care about PvP in STO then lets at least give it a shot, the more that sign up, the more chance of this succeding. Yea there are gonna be idiots that sod it ill use what ever, but the majority CAN make a differnce.

    Hell ill even host the meeting if needed, just say the word.

    PLEASE REPLY ONLY IF YOU ARE IN FAVOUR AND AT LEAST WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY

    Sorry but im going to reply anyway, no offense intended:

    But the funny thing is, half or more @ organizedpvp or people that regularly pvp is not bond to ANY fleet what so ever. They keep pugging and stuff. Because of this I doubt this thing you want to try and setup will never ever work.

    You said it yourself, people already tried this.

    From what I can see, the only real solution for a single player perspective is to get better @ PvP. Improve yourself and see how magically it works vs spam, p2w and other stuff.

    I'd say the pvp community isnt as divided as people think to believe. There are some rotten apples there ofcourse which try to go up against all what we believe in, and that actually actively try to divide the community. I'd say, it wont work for them either. The majority of the pvpers (For whatever thats worth) will eventually come in contact with the longer term and reasonable pvpers and they will get indoctrinated with our magix hax!
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    i really do like the idea of a monthly meeting, but honestly. i dont think itll get you anywhere.

    until cryptic itself starts to make balance changes nothing is going to matter for pvp.
  • zorena#3961 zorena Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its been done before then some *******s think its fine to use it anyway then tsi uses it and then people cry anyhow.. endless crying. I dont like pay2win dont play it but I really dont care if my fleetmates use it because most people are hypocrits anyhow.
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  • mettlemickymettlemicky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ok read all your posts, and get the jist. Hey cant blame someone for trying. So I guess its just down to each individual to do what they think is right.

    Still gonna pew pew and see how many I can take out b4 the wave of spam comes and the players pets get one over on me...... I kinda enjoy saying "good game pet, teach ya host how to pvp" ;p

    thanks for response all :)
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  • marctraiderzmarctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    zorandra wrote: »
    Its been done before then some *******s think its fine to use it anyway then tsi uses it and then people cry anyhow.. endless crying. I dont like pay2win dont play it but I really dont care if my fleetmates use it because most people are hypocrits anyhow.

    zorenada did u really needed all those p2w stuff and sci spam zorena then'P{
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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I don't think this will work...

    There's a new fleet starting to PvP every week, and one leaving. The majority of pvp'ers are in fleets, but it's often 1-man fleets, or at least one-pvper fleets like mine.

    In addition, many of the fleets out there, including some of the good pvp fleets, are mainly non-english speaking. :/
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i really do like the idea of a monthly meeting, but honestly. i dont think itll get you anywhere.

    until cryptic itself starts to make balance changes nothing is going to matter for pvp.

    the kdf alliance chat channel in game and vent outside of game used to have meetings regularly and send the conscensus data to cryptic. there is nothign wrong with a "hardcore pvper" meeting. but be realistic with expectations

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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ok read all your posts, and get the jist. Hey cant blame someone for trying. So I guess its just down to each individual to do what they think is right.

    Still gonna pew pew and see how many I can take out b4 the wave of spam comes and the players pets get one over on me...... I kinda enjoy saying "good game pet, teach ya host how to pvp" ;p

    thanks for response all :)

    I get where your coming from having matches sans the BS is much more fun then with the BS.

    The best matches I have had lately are mostly interfleet... interfriend matches... where we agree before hand to not run any p2w... and mostly leave the carrier junk out of the matches. Just don't see every one agreeing to not use the BS all the time in public.

    I guess I'm saying find more matches in Opvp... perhaps when we ask for premades and there is no answer we should move on to asking who wants to jump into a no BS match with semi balanced sides.
  • warlordsobwarlordsob Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I know several things have been tried in the past to try and unify (please excuse my spelling left school over 20 years ago ;p) all the fleets that pvp as premades, hell even if fleet members go pug.

    I know, and im sure you all do, the thread Naz set up "fleet directory" where each fleet posted their contact details, time zones etc etc, and the latest one 4monkeys set up to try and unify the community. Can we all of us just arrange a meeting place in game on a set date to say what is acceptable and what is not in regards to stuff used in pre-mades and hell even if we go pug?

    The way I see it, is that the majority of pvp'ers all belong to a fleet of some sort, so if the majority all stick to the outcome of propposed meeting, would that not mean that the majority of the PvP community are keeping it within the agreements, spreading the word to other pvp'ers old and new.

    Majority of pvp comunity following agreement = more and more enjoyable matches = more and more pvp'ers

    So lets all say sod it, bury grudges if any, man up, attend meeting, follow out come of meeting.

    I proppose set the meeting one month from now, give everyone plenty of notice to ensure they can attend:

    1) Max of three members per fleet attends,
    2) If not in a fleet come on your own,
    3) Items that can be used in pvp all voted on, simple aye or nay, vote carries forward,

    It really is as simple as that. If you all care about PvP in STO then lets at least give it a shot, the more that sign up, the more chance of this succeding. Yea there are gonna be idiots that sod it ill use what ever, but the majority CAN make a differnce.

    Hell ill even host the meeting if needed, just say the word.

    PLEASE REPLY ONLY IF YOU ARE IN FAVOUR AND AT LEAST WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY
    The problem I see is what is, and who decides what is OK and what is not. Example some guy tried to explain it to me like this (The plus one ships that cost 2000-4000cp are OK but a AMS or any universal console is P2W). Now I maybe just the odd crazy man out, but am I really to believe it is OK for a player to spend 2000-4000cp on a ship that has an advantage on all other ships of the same type in the game. And am I further to believe that just because a ship console is not universal it should not be considered "Pay To Win" When the meaning of Pay To Win is something paid for with real life monies that allows a person with the means to afford that item to have an advantage over someone that can not do so. My thought is the same as many in my fleet if you roll any pay to win be it cstore ship, lock box ships, or cstore console we will use ours as well. If you want a clean fight we will be more then happy to do that too.

    On another note if your in a bug, oddy, or carrier escort you are P2W your ship have advantages that you paid for. So if you cry about my AMS from your oddy all I am going to do is LOL @ U. Because my AMS only cost me 320cp and apparently it is so OP compared to that oddy that it is considered more P2W "some how" looks like you got ripped off.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We tried that once, over a year ago.

    A bunch of people from different fleets jumped onto LF's Vent.

    Pretty much nothing has changed since then, except for the fact that nearly everyone has bailed and balance has gotten worse.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    husanakx wrote: »

    I guess I'm saying find more matches in Opvp... perhaps when we ask for premades and there is no answer we should move on to asking who wants to jump into a no BS match with semi balanced sides.

    Sounds like a good idea.
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    warlordsob wrote: »
    The problem I see is what is, and who decides what is OK and what is not. Example some guy tried to explain it to me like this (The plus one ships that cost 2000-4000cp are OK but a AMS or any universal console is P2W). Now I maybe just the odd crazy man out, but am I really to believe it is OK for a player to spend 2000-4000cp on a ship that has an advantage on all other ships of the same type in the game. And am I further to believe that just because a ship console is not universal it should not be considered "Pay To Win" When the meaning of Pay To Win is something paid for with real life monies that allows a person with the means to afford that item to have an advantage over someone that can not do so. My thought is the same as many in my fleet if you roll any pay to win be it cstore ship, lock box ships, or cstore console we will use ours as well. If you want a clean fight we will be more then happy to do that too.

    On another note if your in a bug, oddy, or carrier escort you are P2W your ship have advantages that you paid for. So if you cry about my AMS from your oddy all I am going to do is LOL @ U. Because my AMS only cost me 320cp and apparently it is so OP compared to that oddy that it is considered more P2W "some how" looks like you got ripped off.

    I have no issues with Paying for ships that the other side has, in a way. For example, the Klingon Side of the game has the Vor'quv. Which is the First TRUE Carrier in STO. And for the LONGEST time was the ONLY Carrier in the game. The Development, despite many stated "NO" answers to "Will the Federation get a carrier?" Released one to the C-store. The Atrox. The Atrox is barely any different from the Vor'quv with the exception of Bridge officer lay out, and Pets allowed to both ships. Do I agree with the decisions on this release, or the way some of the pets were created? Absolutely not. But it's here. And it helped point to a severe problem: Chronoton Procs and Mass Tractor Beam spam.

    Is the Atrox Pay to Win? I argue that it is not because it is no better then the Vor'Quv. The same could be said for many of the ships themselves released to the C-store with the exception of the +1s in the lower tiers and a few of the newest Tier 5+ ships released. Which is where the Odyssey+, Bortasqu, Marauder, Nebula-R and the Armitage, for example, come in.

    Why are those Classed as P2W? Because they each have something more then any ship normally has of those levels. Weither it's because of an Extra console slot, Extra Bridge officer slot, or because of a Hanger Bay that no ship of it's class has, those are the true P2W Ships.

    As I said to you before when we discussed this. Buying a single ship is completely different from abusing something that can be used on ANY ship. Especially when that object, when transfered from one ship to another VASTLY improves it's play style, and capibilities far beyond the original design of the Ship you currently Fly.

    The Universal Consoles do just that. Weither it's AMS, Plasmonic Leech, or even the Grappler, it still gives your ship something beyond it's normal load out and even extra powers beyond what your Bridge officer set up, and Equipped Items grant you.

    Don't believe me? Just look to the Klingon side of things. Look at how many on the KDF side uses Plasmonic Leech, Vent Theta Radiation, Isometric Charge, and the Aceton Assimilators. Now look at the Vor'quv with Plasmonic Leech, Aceton Assimilators, Power Siphon Drones, and Polaron Weapons.. Would you REALLY want PVP to all look like that? To always be fighting something like that? Take off the Aceton Assimilator and Plasmonic Leech, and you have something slightly more managable. The Power Siphon Drones are still nasty, but at least the ship it's self isn't adding more to it with out powers like Tyken's Rift, or Viral Matrix (Sort of).

    Consoles that are only allowable to be slotted on specific ships (Defiant/Galaxy-X Cloak, Odyssey/Bortasqu Console Sets, Ablative Armor, etc) I don't personally feel are Pay to win themselves because they can only be used on one ship. And are apart of what that ship is supposedly capable of doing.

    In closing, Common Sense should be used when deciding for yourself what P2W truelly is in PVP. If it's something when used by a team of 5 different ships makes that team superior, or at the very most makes the match EXTREMLY low on fun and challange, it may just very well be Pay to Win. And personally I don't want to see too much of it used by fleets that call them selves the Best of the Best. Because frankly why does the Best of the Best need something that is already going to quite possibly guarentee a win, when their whole Premade team decides to Equip it vs the Pugs that roam the Ques?
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    we don't need a meeting of people that honestly don't represent anyone other then them selves, we need people with the common decency to not run any carriers, and not run any pay to win consoles, the ones that came from the tier 2-4 ships. EVERYTHING else is fine, well, maybe not the bug ship. it is laughably better then every alternative.

    there is currently no lolfaw, no lolscramble, and lolglider and lol shield drain is a shadow of its former self. active roster kinda flushes balance down the toilet, but since everyone has them they have just created a new normal.
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It's a noble idea, but sadly it's not going to change anything. Fleets and individuals hold grudges. If i turned up at the meeting and said "Okay, I swear to you all that my fleet will never use anything P2W again, ever. Cross my hear and hope to be poked in the eye by a renegade boomerang!" But I cant and wont. I have no say over what my fleet members use/play, if they want to spend ?35ish pounds on the oddy pack then go for it and enjoy it, if they want to pay the money they have earned into a ship with a console, who and I to say they cant use it? We're not a dictatorship - though I do use fleet members for organs and back scratching.

    All that said, nobody in the PVP community regardless of experinece or fleet loyalties has the right to say what should or should not be allowed, and making a council of players to take the PVP ring to Mordor or whatever can change that ;)
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  • warlordsobwarlordsob Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    webdeath wrote: »
    I have no issues with Paying for ships that the other side has, in a way. For example, the Klingon Side of the game has the Vor'quv. Which is the First TRUE Carrier in STO. And for the LONGEST time was the ONLY Carrier in the game. The Development, despite many stated "NO" answers to "Will the Federation get a carrier?" Released one to the C-store. The Atrox. The Atrox is barely any different from the Vor'quv with the exception of Bridge officer lay out, and Pets allowed to both ships. Do I agree with the decisions on this release, or the way some of the pets were created? Absolutely not. But it's here. And it helped point to a severe problem: Chronoton Procs and Mass Tractor Beam spam.

    Is the Atrox Pay to Win? I argue that it is not because it is no better then the Vor'Quv. The same could be said for many of the ships themselves released to the C-store with the exception of the +1s in the lower tiers and a few of the newest Tier 5+ ships released. Which is where the Odyssey+, Bortasqu, Marauder, Nebula-R and the Armitage, for example, come in.

    Why are those Classed as P2W? Because they each have something more then any ship normally has of those levels. Weither it's because of an Extra console slot, Extra Bridge officer slot, or because of a Hanger Bay that no ship of it's class has, those are the true P2W Ships.

    As I said to you before when we discussed this. Buying a single ship is completely different from abusing something that can be used on ANY ship. Especially when that object, when transfered from one ship to another VASTLY improves it's play style, and capibilities far beyond the original design of the Ship you currently Fly.

    The Universal Consoles do just that. Weither it's AMS, Plasmonic Leech, or even the Grappler, it still gives your ship something beyond it's normal load out and even extra powers beyond what your Bridge officer set up, and Equipped Items grant you.

    Don't believe me? Just look to the Klingon side of things. Look at how many on the KDF side uses Plasmonic Leech, Vent Theta Radiation, Isometric Charge, and the Aceton Assimilators. Now look at the Vor'quv with Plasmonic Leech, Aceton Assimilators, Power Siphon Drones, and Polaron Weapons.. Would you REALLY want PVP to all look like that? To always be fighting something like that? Take off the Aceton Assimilator and Plasmonic Leech, and you have something slightly more managable. The Power Siphon Drones are still nasty, but at least the ship it's self isn't adding more to it with out powers like Tyken's Rift, or Viral Matrix (Sort of).

    Consoles that are only allowable to be slotted on specific ships (Defiant/Galaxy-X Cloak, Odyssey/Bortasqu Console Sets, Ablative Armor, etc) I don't personally feel are Pay to win themselves because they can only be used on one ship. And are apart of what that ship is supposedly capable of doing.

    In closing, Common Sense should be used when deciding for yourself what P2W truelly is in PVP. If it's something when used by a team of 5 different ships makes that team superior, or at the very most makes the match EXTREMLY low on fun and challange, it may just very well be Pay to Win. And personally I don't want to see too much of it used by fleets that call them selves the Best of the Best. Because frankly why does the Best of the Best need something that is already going to quite possibly guarentee a win, when their whole Premade team decides to Equip it vs the Pugs that roam the Ques?

    I don't see the carrier as one of them +1 ships hints why I didn't include it in my op. And I never said console are not P2W I think they are, my point is so are +1 ships so if the other team has any P2W I put my console in.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its hard to argue with The Warlords logic... cause its sound. Pretty much all the cstore ships (with a couple exceptions) are much better then other ships. They are hard core p2w.... in fact the consols come from lower tier ships that are much better then their counter parts as well. (cryptic just had to find some reason for end game people to purchase)

    I think the real issue is the consols are just plain annoying for the most part.

    Comes down to how we word and look at things I guess. Most of us are ok playing matches with p2w.... we just don't like consol p2w.

    If I where a 100% pug player... I have to say I would find the p2w QQ funny in my fleety when I would run into a fleet premade that has no "p2w" but is sporting 2 bug escorts... a vulcan sci ship... and a couple oddies. :)

    Anyway point I was making if there was one... we have all turned to the dark side. Time to admit it. We all love our Cstore ships... those of us that have Galors and Bugs and even marauders like em and want to use em... Those that don't have are in defiants escort carriers intrepids and oddies. Klinks are flying goombas, and bortas fat boys... cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! ....

    Its time we stop arguing about consuls... and PUSH hard who ever takes over PvP in this game to have all consuol abilities TURN OFF for PvP... and to have a couple of them (defiant cloak, intrepid abladive) go back to ship based powers, not consul ones.

    In my view its a win for them it makes the cstore ships that make them much more money more valuable for PvP... and still allows me to load all my TRIBBLE to beat up borg.
  • thepleasuredomethepleasuredome Member Posts: 308
    edited July 2012
    warlordsob wrote: »
    I don't see the carrier as one of them +1 ships hints why I didn't include it in my op. And I never said console are not P2W I think they are, my point is so are +1 ships so if the other team has any P2W I put my console in.

    Your original post is excellent, and your last point was a statement I made not as eloquently in another thread about "clean running", which was immediately teased in our very first match of the night yesterday against mutliple p2w spam.

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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    warlordsob wrote: »
    I don't see the carrier as one of them +1 ships hints why I didn't include it in my op. And I never said console are not P2W I think they are, my point is so are +1 ships so if the other team has any P2W I put my console in.

    So when I see you flying that Odyssey you enjoy flying it's fine for me to fly my Armitage + Advanced Danubes. :rolleyes:
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  • dassemstodassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    husanakx wrote: »

    I think the real issue is the consols are just plain annoying for the most part.

    I have, on various occations, been heard calling them Pay2Grief consoles.
  • warlordsobwarlordsob Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dassemsto wrote: »
    I have, on various occations, been heard calling them Pay2Grief consoles.

    That's the free oddy buddy I' am getting close to my pack though took awhile seeing how I will never give cryptic any more money.
  • starcommando101starcommando101 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I still don't get why PvPers hate the whole, P2W thing. Not to be blunt or anything but calling it P2W is all BS.

    The Devs put it in the game for us to use, so we use em.
    We can't use ship from the C-Store because that is P2W?
    Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you should prevent others from using it.

    It is just my opinion. If someone can give a VALID reason why items bought are bad then please explain

    (Also, if you give a reason that not everyone can afford it, I have two words, Dilithium Exchange)

    Those items where used in Star Trek so I want to live the Experience.

    Edit - I believe the real problem you guys are having is the learning curve. Out of all of STO only 10% (most likely less) PvP and out of those PvPers only MAX 25% have truely mastered the art. I hate that the players have to come together to solve something the Devs should handle. We can't fix this. It is up to the Devs. We have to put faith in them to properly fix it that will please everyone (We all know you can't always please anyone).

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  • mettlemickymettlemicky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I still don't get why PvPers hate the whole, P2W thing. Not to be blunt or anything but calling it P2W is all BS.

    The Devs put it in the game for us to use, so we use em.
    We can't use ship from the C-Store because that is P2W?
    Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you should prevent others from using it.

    It is just my opinion. If someone can give a VALID reason why items bought are bad then please explain

    (Also, if you give a reason that not everyone can afford it, I have two words, Dilithium Exchange)

    Those items where used in Star Trek so I want to live the Experience.

    Edit - I believe the real problem you guys are having is the learning curve. Out of all of STO only 10% (most likely less) PvP and out of those PvPers only MAX 25% have truely mastered the art. I hate that the players have to come together to solve something the Devs should handle. We can't fix this. It is up to the Devs. We have to put faith in them to properly fix it that will please everyone (We all know you can't always please anyone).

    :cool:


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    Tex says...... hey :)
  • dant158#3249 dant158 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Im not even gonna go there

    Quoted for the wisdom... I think I will join you in that :D
  • starcommando101starcommando101 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    no please enlighten me, I don't get it

    no troll or anything
    The Average PvP player
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    1) Teamwork and timing is #1
    2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
    3) You are going to die, just get back up
  • ebeneezergoodeebeneezergoode Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    This talk of P2W is all fine and good, but where do you draw the line? Rare doffs? You can get them for EC, but they can come out of the C-store too. By the same token, C-points can be had for Dilithium. It's really Pay or Grind to win. If you've got a job you can afford to spend on something you invest a lot of time in, and the return on it's better than beer, going to see a movie etc. And if you haven't got a job, you've likely got enough time on your hands to spin up some dilithium. With a little patience it soon mounts up.

    I also think it'll be very difficult to come to a consensus. There are some individuals and fleets who you can almost count on to be using the latest FOTM power or console that is generally considered OP. Look at the ammount of people cruising with Danubes, I don't think anyone who's got a good handle on PVP and a healthy absence of bias would say phaser procs, chroniton procs and back to back tractor beams are a balanced carrier pet.

    As others are mentioned, we can't work around balance issues since not everyone'll stick to it. It's the dev's job to make sure these balance issues do not crop up, and on the one hand, there's a very long track record of our feedback being utterly ignored. However, recently, there's been a seemingly renewed interest in fixing PVP. Gozer was having a look at it, and Borticus recently made a thread about resolving the Chroniton issue. Even this level of attention, over time, will pay off and leave us with a better balanced PVP. It's easy to be jaded after all the PVP community has been through, but if these new signs of help from the Devs are to become a precedent that is maintained, I think we're going to have to set cynicism aside, however hard it is, and meet them half way.

    I'm not giving up on PVP just yet, and sure, you'll get cheesedick builds with people spamming danubes and rocking phasers and chroniton torps on their ship, but those kind of people only stay good as long as they've got their crutch. And with a little luck, and continued interaction from the Devs, those crutches will be kicked out from under them one by one. Just hold on a little longer, change is blowing in the wind. If I think of more cheesy clich?s I'll let you know, but I've about met my quota for now I think.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • zorena#3961 zorena Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    no please enlighten me, I don't get it

    no troll or anything

    http://i.imgur.com/zCwSC.jpg
    We need to learn how about you, do you know what console did 1.6million dmg and killed once?
    Noone.
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