I also played some of the romulan front mission at VA level with the Miranda. Not a big deal, it's just a bit long and tedious.
Exactly. Most people play to have fun. Looking if you can beat an encounter in an inferior ship once in a while is fun. But no way to play the game for long.
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Sure, that's not what i meant. I just said you could already play 95% of the game with the T2 constitution, you just need to be willing to do it. This is why I'm really wondering about your goals...
I'm not talking about the connie, I'm talking about the Excal. However, to respond to your logic I will simply quote my earlier statement: "The same question could be asked of all the other T2 ships that they are adding T5 versions of to the fleet store. The fact is, none of them are *needed*, but people simply *want* them."
Why don't they just go ahead and give the Excal the same treatment as the other T2's but lock the Connie Refit Skin for the Fleet Version and add a different version for it? Sorta like what they did with the Galaxy-Refit, albeit that was more for technical reasons (Something to do with Saucer Separation not working with the T4 Skins or something) but I don't see why they couldn't do it again.
Once again. TRIBBLE that. Connie Refit skin or nothing.
Then... nothing?
Game is set in 2409. To be honest the Excelsior shouldn't even be in. The NX-01, TOS Enterprise, and Oberth hulls shouldn't be in either, but were thrown in as candy and fanservice for the lowest tier of ship where they don't really matter. Hell the Miranda really shouldn't be in either, but at least you can sort of justify it as they built them like candy and could at least still keep them around as training ships.
Please, don't burn me on spot, but I think Odyssey looks (and works) 10 times better than Constitution.
I get it, that you have emotional attachment to this classic vessel, I love it too, but seriously, would anyone really want to ride into battle with Borg on 200 years old ship???
It's like going to F1 race to compete on something like this.
Blah blah blah 2409 personal opinion blah blah. speak for yourself please.
You beat me to it bmoney 8)
I get so tired of that it's 2409 garbage. if their fluff for the nx is basically "Oh our ship builders have recreated the NX with new composite materials and systems just so you can fly this wonder artifact from the past around"
then they can create the same fluff for the connie.
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Please, don't burn me on spot, but I think Odyssey looks (and works) 10 times better than Constitution.
I get it, that you have emotional attachment to this classic vessel, I love it too, but seriously, would anyone really want to ride into battle with Borg on 200 years old ship???
It's like going to F1 race to compete on something like this.
i think the Ody is an ugly ship. really ugly.. god awfully ugly.
I wouldnt take it to a dog fight if she was the returning champ.
See my above post about fluff
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I want to compete in High Level PVP with a Constitution Refit
I want to STF and actually make a Difference with a Constitution Refit
I want to do Red Alerts and actually make a dent with a Constitution Refit
I want to pull A constitution Refit out of Space Dock and actually kick TRIBBLE with it.
I want to Fight the upcoming Tholion and Iconian Threat with a Constitution Refit
The Excelsior is 14 years younger than the Constitution Refit. you can say BS like the one that faced the defiant was the Retrofit but if that ship can have a Retrofit as good as that than so can the constitution Refit without a bunch of futureists btching that its old and doesn't belong in our time. ANY ship belongs in this time. this is a Science fiction franchise. Insert Techonbabble here is just a good reason as any and CaptainGeko's own personal Opinion nor Citter will stop me from fighting for it. The franchise was built on that ship. Why the movie version can't even have an endgame competeing ship without BS like "taking away the t2 skin" is beyond anything trek.
Blah blah blah 2409 personal opinion blah blah. speak for yourself please.
You're really becoming aggressive. I see why the devs won't give you your candies. Try to behave differently, maybe? Or play a 23rd century Star Trek game either.
You're really becoming aggressive. I see why the devs won't give you your candies. Try to behave differently, maybe? Or play a 23rd century Star Trek game either.
Blah blah blah 2409 personal opinion blah blah. speak for yourself please.
Really should be 2412, but we seem to be in the Simpsons zone where time somehow progresses without progressing at all. But, hey. 2409. Constitution class, Excelsior class, Miranda class, and Oberth class are all past 100, right? If not 150 years old?
Everyone likes to bring up the U.S.S. Constitution still being around, but it's pretty much around as a trophy and show of pride/tradition. You sure as hell don't expect it to ever be used in combat. The Iowa class battleships that were kept mothballed but in serviceable condition were kept so pretty much on a technicality and no matter how much I love them personally I have to admit they're pretty well useless on a modern battlefield.
A closer comparison, if we have to keep up the real-life ones, might be the darling B-52. The design is going to survive roughly one hundred years of life-cycle under current plans. But the B-52s we have now, nevermind in another 30 years, sure as hell aren't the original ones in any way but overall shape. Their mission plan and usage has also changed considerably to acknowledge that while they are still useful, their original purpose is obsolete and they have no place in the middle of a modern air battle.
It's been ~164 years. Let the poor Constitution class rest. They've earned it, really! If Memory Alpha is to be believed they were phased out 30 years after entering service anyways.
I get so tired of that it's 2409 garbage. if their fluff for the nx is basically "Oh our ship builders have recreated the NX with new composite materials and systems just so you can fly this wonder artifact from the past around"
then they can create the same fluff for the connie.
Okay. Fly a tier 1 Constitution recreation then? That's all the NX-01 is, anyways. A tier 1 toy proof-of concept ship.
You don't understand me well do you. Read my above post.
Thankfully, I don't need to understand you to know what you want is completely outside the canon of the franchise in general (re: Connies were only even on active duty for ~30 years) and that the game company and license holder have both said no.
thankfully, I Don't Need To Understand You To Know What You Want Is Completely Outside The Canon Of The Franchise In General (re: Connies Were Only Even On Active Duty For ~30 Years) And That The Game Company And License Holder Have Both Said No.
Lol. I Was Waiting For Canon To Be Mentioned. This Game Burnt Canon With A Fracking Torch Bro.
Personally, I have problems with connies being around at all in 2409. I mean, far as I'm aware the last of them were retired before the Dominion war. The excelsior and Mirandas were both legendary for their long production runs, but even they weren't being built any more by then. It is kind of like asking for an M4 sherman tank to use in the middle east now. Sure it's a classic, but time has left it behind, it is now hopelessly out of date for front line use.
CaptainGeko just needs to put the chocolate filling from a Assault Cruiser in the hulldough of the Constitution refit. it isn't impossible. its a lazy solution. and we all know cryptic loves lazy solutions.
Personally, I have problems with connies being around at all in 2409. I mean, far as I'm aware the last of them were retired before the Dominion war. The excelsior and Mirandas were both legendary for their long production runs, but even they weren't being built any more by then. It is kind of like asking for an M4 sherman tank to use in the middle east now. Sure it's a classic, but time has left it behind, it is now hopelessly out of date for front line use.
Yes but this game is more like world of tanks than it is a recreation of ww2
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Yes but this game is more like world of tanks than it is a recreation of ww2
Even WoT has tiers. If you allow a 200 old ship with 428 crewmen on board to beat a modern day ship with 2500 people, say goodbye to any kind of balance (and sense).
Yes but this game is more like world of tanks than it is a recreation of ww2
I don't know. STO doesn't seem to be a painstakingly accurate recreation of the state of the various ships. If it was, one might think it'd be easy for any modern ship to blow holes clean through a Constitution class with, say, Quantum Torpedos or something. No matter how you try and spin the 'modernize, yo!' mantra, it can't really accommodate that the sheer size of the Constitution class puts it at a disadvantage. It can't fit the warpcore of a Galaxy, Odyssey, or really even an Excelsior.
You could always bring up the Defiant but the Defiant was heavily specialized, suffered for its specialization, and was known for damn-near shaking itself apart on a regular basis unless kept tuned, tinkered, and up to date by the only man (if O'Brien can even be called a man. More of a tiny, irish god honestly...) in Starfleet who can out-Scotty Scotty. As a general rule they kept a ton of limiters on the things to keep them from doing that whole 'violently break apart from the forces it enacts on itself' thing.
That does nothing to change his point, really. You do come across as self-important, self-centered, and so egotistical as to think your personal desire to fly one ship trumps the decision of the game designers, the license holder, and the very canon of the series/movies you want the ship from.
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That does nothing to change his point, really. You do come across as self-important, self-centered, and so egotistical as to think your personal desire to fly one ship trumps the decision of the game designers, the license holder, and the very canon of the series/movies you want the ship from.
So sue me. If you don't want to play a Star Trek themepark game go play Armada or something.
I don't want a POS Constitution Refit. I want one that matches the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit and Fleet Escort Retrofit. Not a retro**** Because The license holders don't know that it will make them a ton more money. .
So sue me. If you don't want to play a Star Trek themepark game go play Armada or something.
If you want to play a Star Trek themepark game go find and-or play one?
I'm pretty happy with what we got. Joined game to play a Prometheus-class (I forgive Voyager's existence purely on the basis of this ship), got what was promised. Now also fly a T5 Akira and an Atrox on top of that after literally two solid years of rockin' the Prommy exclusively.
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Exactly. Most people play to have fun. Looking if you can beat an encounter in an inferior ship once in a while is fun. But no way to play the game for long.
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I'm not talking about the connie, I'm talking about the Excal. However, to respond to your logic I will simply quote my earlier statement: "The same question could be asked of all the other T2 ships that they are adding T5 versions of to the fleet store. The fact is, none of them are *needed*, but people simply *want* them."
And once again, regardless of what other people may ask for, *I* am not talking about the connie, I am talking about the Excalibur.
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Then... nothing?
Game is set in 2409. To be honest the Excelsior shouldn't even be in. The NX-01, TOS Enterprise, and Oberth hulls shouldn't be in either, but were thrown in as candy and fanservice for the lowest tier of ship where they don't really matter. Hell the Miranda really shouldn't be in either, but at least you can sort of justify it as they built them like candy and could at least still keep them around as training ships.
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I get it, that you have emotional attachment to this classic vessel, I love it too, but seriously, would anyone really want to ride into battle with Borg on 200 years old ship???
It's like going to F1 race to compete on something like this.
You beat me to it bmoney 8)
I get so tired of that it's 2409 garbage. if their fluff for the nx is basically "Oh our ship builders have recreated the NX with new composite materials and systems just so you can fly this wonder artifact from the past around"
then they can create the same fluff for the connie.
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i think the Ody is an ugly ship. really ugly.. god awfully ugly.
I wouldnt take it to a dog fight if she was the returning champ.
See my above post about fluff
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I want to STF and actually make a Difference with a Constitution Refit
I want to do Red Alerts and actually make a dent with a Constitution Refit
I want to pull A constitution Refit out of Space Dock and actually kick TRIBBLE with it.
I want to Fight the upcoming Tholion and Iconian Threat with a Constitution Refit
The Excelsior is 14 years younger than the Constitution Refit. you can say BS like the one that faced the defiant was the Retrofit but if that ship can have a Retrofit as good as that than so can the constitution Refit without a bunch of futureists btching that its old and doesn't belong in our time. ANY ship belongs in this time. this is a Science fiction franchise. Insert Techonbabble here is just a good reason as any and CaptainGeko's own personal Opinion nor Citter will stop me from fighting for it. The franchise was built on that ship. Why the movie version can't even have an endgame competeing ship without BS like "taking away the t2 skin" is beyond anything trek.
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You're really becoming aggressive. I see why the devs won't give you your candies. Try to behave differently, maybe? Or play a 23rd century Star Trek game either.
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Really should be 2412, but we seem to be in the Simpsons zone where time somehow progresses without progressing at all. But, hey. 2409. Constitution class, Excelsior class, Miranda class, and Oberth class are all past 100, right? If not 150 years old?
Everyone likes to bring up the U.S.S. Constitution still being around, but it's pretty much around as a trophy and show of pride/tradition. You sure as hell don't expect it to ever be used in combat. The Iowa class battleships that were kept mothballed but in serviceable condition were kept so pretty much on a technicality and no matter how much I love them personally I have to admit they're pretty well useless on a modern battlefield.
A closer comparison, if we have to keep up the real-life ones, might be the darling B-52. The design is going to survive roughly one hundred years of life-cycle under current plans. But the B-52s we have now, nevermind in another 30 years, sure as hell aren't the original ones in any way but overall shape. Their mission plan and usage has also changed considerably to acknowledge that while they are still useful, their original purpose is obsolete and they have no place in the middle of a modern air battle.
It's been ~164 years. Let the poor Constitution class rest. They've earned it, really! If Memory Alpha is to be believed they were phased out 30 years after entering service anyways.
Okay. Fly a tier 1 Constitution recreation then?
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Thankfully, I don't need to understand you to know what you want is completely outside the canon of the franchise in general (re: Connies were only even on active duty for ~30 years) and that the game company and license holder have both said no.
Lol. I Was Waiting For Canon To Be Mentioned. This Game Burnt Canon With A Fracking Torch Bro.
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CaptainGeko just needs to put the chocolate filling from a Assault Cruiser in the hulldough of the Constitution refit. it isn't impossible. its a lazy solution. and we all know cryptic loves lazy solutions.
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Yes but this game is more like world of tanks than it is a recreation of ww2
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Wow... talk about self centered...
Even WoT has tiers. If you allow a 200 old ship with 428 crewmen on board to beat a modern day ship with 2500 people, say goodbye to any kind of balance (and sense).
I don't know. STO doesn't seem to be a painstakingly accurate recreation of the state of the various ships. If it was, one might think it'd be easy for any modern ship to blow holes clean through a Constitution class with, say, Quantum Torpedos or something. No matter how you try and spin the 'modernize, yo!' mantra, it can't really accommodate that the sheer size of the Constitution class puts it at a disadvantage. It can't fit the warpcore of a Galaxy, Odyssey, or really even an Excelsior.
You could always bring up the Defiant but the Defiant was heavily specialized, suffered for its specialization, and was known for damn-near shaking itself apart on a regular basis unless kept tuned, tinkered, and up to date by the only man (if O'Brien can even be called a man. More of a tiny, irish god honestly...) in Starfleet who can out-Scotty Scotty. As a general rule they kept a ton of limiters on the things to keep them from doing that whole 'violently break apart from the forces it enacts on itself' thing.
Lol. I just posted http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=4585601#post4585601 right as you said that. Want to rethink that statement bro?
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That does nothing to change his point, really. You do come across as self-important, self-centered, and so egotistical as to think your personal desire to fly one ship trumps the decision of the game designers, the license holder, and the very canon of the series/movies you want the ship from.
No.
That's like most "I"s in one post I've seen.
So sue me. If you don't want to play a Star Trek themepark game go play Armada or something.
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You even have TOS-like SFX .
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If you want to play a Star Trek themepark game go find and-or play one?
I'm pretty happy with what we got. Joined game to play a Prometheus-class (I forgive Voyager's existence purely on the basis of this ship), got what was promised. Now also fly a T5 Akira and an Atrox on top of that after literally two solid years of rockin' the Prommy exclusively.
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