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Bortas or B'rel

robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Is the B'rel BOP a tier 5 ship I currently have a Vorcha Class ship and really want this ship rather than the Bortas Tactical
So couple of questions
Is the B'rel BOP the ship featured in the film undiscovered country and able to fire a torpedo while cloaked.
And is it sutible for a tactical captain at lvl 50
Or would you reccomend the tactical Bortas
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The B'rel like all raiders is a great ship for a Tactical Captain, I would recommend against the Bortas as with all Cruisers has a slow turn rate and the biggest advantage it has is it's hull strength. While others would disagree I would recommend the Bird of Prey, but you should read others opinions and recommendations before making the decision as I only have the Anniversary Bortas.
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  • redstarsweredstarswe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I love the B'rel retrofit, just dish out pain on a stick and vanish;)
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited June 2012
    robeasom wrote: »
    Is the B'rel BOP the ship featured in the film undiscovered country and able to fire a torpedo while cloaked.
    Sort of.

    When you fire the torpedo, it decloaks you. And you stay decloaked while you fire off all of your torpedoes. When you stop firing, you will automatically cloak again after 3 seconds.

    The only time you get the 15 second cooldown is when you are forcibly decloaked by an external source.

    Otherwise, you can fire a barrage of torps, turn around, and be gone before they can do enough damage to you to destroy you.
  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    When you are decloaking or cloaking I take it you are vunerable to them firing and will take Hull damage.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The B'rel like all raiders is a great ship for a Tactical Captain, I would recommend against the Bortas as with all Cruisers has a slow turn rate and the biggest advantage it has is it's hull strength. While others would disagree I would recommend the Bird of Prey, but you should read others opinions and recommendations before making the decision as I only have the Anniversary Bortas.

    I have the anny oddy for my fed so I know the turn rate is poor.but I need a decent T5 ship and sinxe this sale is on perfect oppurtunity to buy the BOP I think
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'd buy the B'rel.

    The Bortasqu' isn't that much of an upgrade from the Bortas unless you like eye candy, and the Bortas is coming to T5 fleet shipyards anyway, so...

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  • mistressssinssmistressssinss Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    robeasom wrote: »
    When you are decloaking or cloaking I take it you are vunerable to them firing and will take Hull damage.

    you would be correct. ^^

    Understand it is NOT the ship from the movie, it has a 3 second, "Hey look at me, runnng with no shields cause feds cant fight me and whined!" flashing sign on it hon. It was once a great ship. now, its just a gimmick that fails utterly.

    Treat it like a regular BOP hon, stick some cannon's on it and you will do better.

    Myself, i would take it over the huge Bortasque any day.
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  • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
    edited June 2012
    you would be correct. ^^

    Understand it is NOT the ship from the movie, it has a 3 second, "Hey look at me, runnng with no shields cause feds cant fight me and whined!" flashing sign on it hon. It was once a great ship. now, its just a gimmick that fails utterly.

    Treat it like a regular BOP hon, stick some cannon's on it and you will do better.

    Myself, i would take it over the huge Bortasque any day.

    If you're going to treat it like a regular BoP, you should just fly the Hegh'ta.

    Yeah, the Feds whined and now it has a 3 second window, but it is only a fail gimmick if you don't set up the ship to utilize the cloak. There is an article in the wiki about it, and a huge thread about it just a few threads below this as we speak.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited June 2012
    robeasom wrote: »
    I have the anny oddy for my fed so I know the turn rate is poor.but I need a decent T5 ship and sinxe this sale is on perfect oppurtunity to buy the BOP I think
    Yes. But, as long as you stack a few (I use two) resistance consoles and put some points into the resistance skills, you can take a pretty good amount of damage.

    I've taken a barrage of cannon fire and still came out alive. The only time I had troubles was when I was up against 4 Feds in Ker'rat. And was forcibly decloaked while my evasive maneuvers and Attack Pattern: Omega 3 were on cooldown.

    Even if you're decloaked for 3 seconds + however many torpedoes you fire, that's generally not enough time to kill you right away.

    Just make sure you have hull heals. I use Engineering Team 1, Aux to SIF 1, and Hazard Emitters 2.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The B'Rel is the foundation a very specific KDF Torpedo Boat style, maximizing the most unique cloak in the game (Enhanced Battle Cloak). You can drop mines without decloaking. Most of all, when you fire your torpedoes, you decloak momentarily, then automatically recloak after a few seconds.

    My Sci Captain flies the B'Rel as a Torpedo Boat with some heavy Sci abilities.

    Anyways, the B'Rel Torpedo Boat flies very differently even from other BOPs. You are "safer" than most others in the battle because you literally stay cloaked like 95% of the entire match. However, when maximizing the Enh.Battle Cloak, there are no shields up. Combine that with the lowest hull in late tier ships, you can be killed quickly if you are not aware of what's going on.

    Some Feds are catching on to look out for the B'Rel Torpedo Boat, but time and their wearing patience works to the Torp.Boat captain's favor. Not to mention your teammates' presence to heavily mask your own efforts.
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  • xiphenonxiphenon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    According to the latest patch notes on Tribble, the hull strenght of the B'rel RF has been increased. Anyone informations about how much hull it now has?
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  • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
    edited July 2012
    The B'Rel is the foundation a very specific KDF Torpedo Boat style, maximizing the most unique cloak in the game (Enhanced Battle Cloak). You can drop mines without decloaking. Most of all, when you fire your torpedoes, you decloak momentarily, then automatically recloak after a few seconds.

    My Sci Captain flies the B'Rel as a Torpedo Boat with some heavy Sci abilities.

    Anyways, the B'Rel Torpedo Boat flies very differently even from other BOPs. You are "safer" than most others in the battle because you literally stay cloaked like 95% of the entire match. However, when maximizing the Enh.Battle Cloak, there are no shields up. Combine that with the lowest hull in late tier ships, you can be killed quickly if you are not aware of what's going on.

    Some Feds are catching on to look out for the B'Rel Torpedo Boat, but time and their wearing patience works to the Torp.Boat captain's favor. Not to mention your teammates' presence to heavily mask your own efforts.

    Not to mention, the setup is feared. In an engagement with friends, if you see a guy getting beat up badly, launching a salvo can save them some damage. Against Feds who know about the setup, as soon as they see the hail of torps coming in, they drop everything and start searching for the heavy tricobalt or Bio-neural, becasue they know if it hits they're toast. If it's the bio-neural, it can end up taking fire off of your teammates for quite a while while they try to blow it up.
  • krayuskorianiskrayuskorianis Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I enjoy the B'Rel Bird-of-Prey. Enchanced Battle Cloak is the awesome.

    Fit some DHC's, a Turret and some torpedoes and you got a killer, but if you want true damage potential, make use of the EBC and use nothing but Torpedoes and you can kill someone with a salvo.
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  • ebeneezergoodeebeneezergoode Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'd go with the B'rel.

    Regarding using it regularly vs using a Hegh'ta, I still prefer the B'rel for this. The Hegh'ta has a small advantage in hitpoints, but the difference is marginal. The B'rel is faster turning, and has the enhanced battle cloak. This is still useful even when rolling as a regular BoP because once you've battle cloaked, you can put aux2sif or hazards on yourself. When you decloak, you can do so with full hull again. You can also hit stuff like EPTS before you decloak meaning your shields snap up faster.

    The "window" was made wider so's to make it easier to fight, but you've still got a large bonus to defense so it can be used to "Chang" at people providing there's no competent science captains or science ships near by. And frankly, those are a hazard to any kind of battle cloaking, regular or enhanced.

    There are other uses for firing torps while cloaked as well, it's very easy to twitch a lot of buffs out of somebody with one torpedo then hold off on your attack until they're nearly off cooldown. This gives interesting options with SNB especially.

    All in all, I've found the enhanced battle cloak is best used to compliment a regular BoP build rather than replace it.
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